Okay. so im trying to brew up cypionate. 250mg per ml. I mix 10 grams of powder, 20% BB and 3 %BA into a beaker. After i put it on the stove it clears up nice but as soon as it cools it becomes cloudy. EVERYTIME. As soon as i add the grapeseed oil it becomes and amber colored mix. ( im used to cyp looking a clear yellow ) i dont know if im burning the oil or what? And why does my mix crash when it cools.
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
Frustrating homebrew!!
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ThunderNuts
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my guess would be you have water in your solution or you have too high a mg/ml and it wont hold. How many ml of oil did you use?
Cyp is a pain IMO, especially compared to Enanthate.
1st...maybe back the Cyp down to 200mg, although its probably not a big deal, and you could really back that BB down to 5%-7%. You may not believe it but that much BB is 1. not necessary, 2. can actually cause that mix to not be so clear. Without a pic I am not sure if you are talking clouds, like swirls....when something needs refiltering, or more of a haze, or not so clear final product.
GSO is a very strong colored oil. I prefer sesame personally, but when I have GSO it alters strongly the color of the final product.
Try and brew a small amount, maybe 10ml in two different batches and switch up the BB content...low, to a bit higher.
In learning how to brew I am a strong believer in trying a ton of different things so you can know how things react....not repeat what you read. Most people know that Test P wont hold at 200mg/ml in oil, but have you actually mixed it, and seen what happens, the same goes for 150mg/ml....you only waste 3or 4 grams of powder but you get to see 1st hand what happens, and IF you can rescue it or not.
Plus anyone that would use BB on Test E, or on Prop or Cyp use BB amounts of 18 or 20% is just filling in the steroid powder calculator defaults, or just doesnt know a ton.
Its like someone trying to tell you to bake your gear...really?
Give the lower BB a shot and see if it works...
I used about 23 ml of grape seed oil and 12 grams of powder. After i melted it i filtered it through the syringe filter and like magic it was clear! So i dont know what the issue was... My enanthate brew is 250mg/ml and its crystal clear. My Cyp 300 looks really good now as well but not as clear as the enanthate.
And thats a good point too. I have seen where people,me included, sterilize vials in a steamer(baby bottle sterilizer) and condensation remains in the vial. If you put your mix into that it will cause a bit of cloudiness.
No youre good man! The whole point is to have fun, learn, and IMO try shit out. How else are you every going to learn if you dont try and sometimes fail.
Just maybe try and fail with small amounts first,lol!
That sounds totally cool! WOW 186 proof,I tried some 50 percent(I think thats how
you say it) tequilla on a tour of Jose Cuervo in Tequila, Mexico and that stuff was brutal...so yours must be HARDCORE.
Do you do flavors?
tipdog
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I bet your brew has quite an impact.
I put Everclear in some chewing tobacco when I was young and stupid. Me and my cousin tried it, our lips burned then went numb and the skin turned white.
I put Everclear in some chewing tobacco when I was young and stupid. Me and my cousin tried it, our lips burned then went numb and the skin turned white.
Hey at least you tried something new, hahaha.
tipdog
New Member
Yeah, we liked the buzz! 
But, we had switch spots--so, we ended up putting the dip in the upper-lip until it healed.
But, we had switch spots--so, we ended up putting the dip in the upper-lip until it healed.
20% bb should dissolve 2,5 grams of cyp with no problems. you don't even need to heat it. i don't know what you have but its not test cyp if that is what you are seeing.
once you have it filtered heat it at 275 for 40 min, if you are using 10ml vials to sterilize. burning oil doesn't even enter into the equation. if you are heating it on a stovetop in water, that could be the problem. if so preheat the oven to 275 and use that instead.
the only time i have ever seen any kind of test not stay in solution is test prop when trying to dose higher than 100 mg/ml and not using enough bb. test e & cyp should never be a problem.
i've been using raws for 15 years and never seen anything like what you are describing.
your problem is solubility and that should not be happening with the ester you are using.
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Why would anyone use 20% BB? Or why would and oven be used? If you are saying that the hormone will dissolve and of course suspend in that level of BB, what would the heat be for?
You also state that after it is filtered, heat it....filtereing would be the final step. Filtering through a .2 micron filter will leave finished product sterilized, an over wont, thats archaic.
basskiller
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Not sure why guys that are new to brewing use the hardest to manage hormone to work with.
Cypionate is simply a pain in the ass to work with.. however Test Enanthate is pretty much as similar as they come and sooooooo much easier.. in fact you can use just BA and have it in solution lickity split without any problems.
Now I would like to see using 6% BB with cyp these days while using nothing other than 2%BA and nothing else..
Honestly guys.. The powders these days are not what they once were. There are more than a few companies over in ch*na that are producing hormones that really use lesser standards of quality than the original companies.
Chances are it is as stated.. moisture being the problem.. Now that could also be in the powder itself. When doing synovex conversion experiments.. I have seen finished products look exactly like yours here. The problem was.. too much moisture in their powders
Cypionate is simply a pain in the ass to work with.. however Test Enanthate is pretty much as similar as they come and sooooooo much easier.. in fact you can use just BA and have it in solution lickity split without any problems.
Now I would like to see using 6% BB with cyp these days while using nothing other than 2%BA and nothing else..
Honestly guys.. The powders these days are not what they once were. There are more than a few companies over in ch*na that are producing hormones that really use lesser standards of quality than the original companies.
Chances are it is as stated.. moisture being the problem.. Now that could also be in the powder itself. When doing synovex conversion experiments.. I have seen finished products look exactly like yours here. The problem was.. too much moisture in their powders
Listen to Basskiller, there is probably no one more qualified on this board. Pretty much everything I have learned from the beginning was from him.
Test Cyp, why? Its a difficult ester and is not that different from Test E that brews so simply, even at 300mg/ml. I think a lot of people were familiar with the ester because of the popularity of the Watson Cyp prescribed for TRT.
And yes people need to get this 20% BB thing out of their minds, it was a default in the steroid powder calculator. Why would anyone put 20% BB in a Test Enanthate recipe when NONE is required????
only time i ever saw anything like that was with test prop. i brewed it but i usually cool it after it is dissolved to al least room temp and sometimes even cooler just to see if it stays in solution before i add my oil. that time i didn't and was not able to ever get it dissolved once the oil was added, even after adding more bb. i'm not a chemist so i cant tell you why it didn't work by adding more bb but it didn't.
one thing i can say is that test prop is half the cost of test cyp and i can see an unscrupulous source sending it if his supply of the product you want is low.
It's hard to describe but test prop is dry and very crystallized whereas cyp isn't . It's more oily crystals.
It could have been moisture in the bb but i don't know that for certain. I threw the shit out after that.
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