First Test Cicle @ 500mg

[sepsin]

In another forum, I mentioned that for a first cycle it is recommended to start test @ 300mg to gauge aromatization, and only then up the dose slowly to 500mg (according to MPMD advice).

But another (supposed “high knowledge”) user mentioned this



what do you guys think of this?

especially the line “99% of people don’t need AI on daily pins @ 500mgs”

he’s talking abt test P, btw

 

[sepsin]

@sepsin those guys just dropped some elite ball knowledge.

From what I've seen, Clav's take on why test P is superior is because he claims it provides more stable hormone levels. He is mistaken. I think he got it from its injection frequency needing to be ED or EOD. Not really sure.

The thing is, you can pin test C every day too, and because it's half-life is much longer, you'll have far greater hormonal stability than test P.

I'll probably never do test P. Cypionate is super smooth, stable, and PIP free. I don't see why I would ever change esters, unless there is a gear shortage.

Hope this helps. I'm not hating on prop, just wanted you to know the reality of it outside of Looksmaxing and TikTok lol. Who knows, maybe it aligns with your goals the best and you'll enjoy it.

Good luck to you sir

I greatly appreciate this help.

Thank you, sir

 

[shredded.lyfe]

Learn something from this crybaby looksmaxxer who got banished back to TikTok.

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Thread 'A cry for help - Extreme pip after using test propionate 200mg/ml'

Dec 13, 2025

Complete newbie here, started my first cycle 4 days ago. Have been doing everyday injections 0.2 ml which is 40 mg of Test prop 200mg/ml vial. First few hours it does not hurt at all but the next day, it feels as if someone stabbed me or shot me with a gun in that muscle. How do I deal with this pip? Is it common?

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Seeing that retard get banned has made my day, thankyou

 

[Cman90]

Seeing that retard get banned has made my day, thankyou

Bro same lol

 

[Jjsmacks74]

In another forum, I mentioned that for a first cycle it is recommended to start test @ 300mg to gauge aromatization, and only then up the dose slowly to 500mg (according to MPMD advice).

But another (supposed “high knowledge”) user mentioned this

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what do you guys think of this?

especially the line “99% of people don’t need AI on daily pins @ 500mgs”

he’s talking abt test P, btw

I'm on board w 500mgs of test E for your 1st 12 wk. test cycle. You should already have your ancillary drugs to combat potential aromatization. ie. Letrozole, Aromasin, Tamoxifen etc.
Good luck & Merry Christmas

 

[JK1]

@sepsin how have you faired in your decisions/progress/lessons, assuming that you started?

The where to start seems to repeat itself over and over. As alwayd its up to the person but they need to know the tradeoffs and also recognise something resembling impatience or managing expectations. All that said starting at 500 is definately not where I would sit. Anecdotes, but ive seen enpugh people get into a bit of a mess with 500 off the bat even with ancillaries (yes some are fine) and also the massive difference in responses between people at different doses is itself alone a good enough reason for me to start much lower.

Dude, I'm lean af and on just 15mg test cyp every day my estradiol is 95

There is literally no way to guess or make an accurate assumption about it

Get all your baseline stuff checked. If your SHBG is high, that's going to mess things up.

And to add to this, i am naturally very lean and can hit an e2 of 110pg/ml on 250mg per week. Also sit on the high end for shbg wirh test only (and natural).

I think if you can get the same or better response at a lower dose (with less spillover into side effects) then thats a sensible approach.

 

[Athleticfreak]

props half life is 0.8 days mate
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2-3 days is incorrect

There’s others Google searches that say different from these half lives above. So it’s tough to say what is actually fact.

 

[Athleticfreak]

start with c or d, get comfortable with pinning once weekly before you cripple your shoulders and quads everyday

Please don’t pin once weekly with C or E @sepsin . 2-3 times a week is the way to go or daily with prop.

 

[ripper908]

I personally would start at 400mg a week. More than enough to put some good size on very low change of side effects

 

[NotHuman]

Estradiol conversion is a large part of why testosterone works so well

Also, Anastrozole doesn’t improve gyno, but tamoxifen does, which should make anyone question if estradiol is why people get gyno to begin with

Prevention of bicalutamide-induced breast events in patients with prostate cancer: a meta-analysis of randomized controlled trials - PubMed

Tamoxifen appears to be the most effective strategy for preventing bicalutamide-induced breast events, with radiotherapy serving as a viable alternative, and anastrozole offering no benefit. Further large-scale, high-quality studies are needed to confirm these findings and refine preventive...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Anastrozole is also linked to cardiac sides although it was shown at high doses (1mg daily).

Endogenous estrogens influence endothelial function in young men - PubMed

Males produce endogenous estrogen from testosterone via the enzyme aromatase. Previous studies have suggested a role for endogenous estrogens in cardiovascular function in men. We examined the effects of endogenous estrogen suppression via aromatase inhibition on endothelial function, systemic...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I would personally never use an AI for any reason. If elevated estradiol was really such a boogie man, I’d simply look for low dose primo or EQ.

Also, 16-aE2 and 17-aE2 both SIGNIFICANTLY increase lifespan in male mice too (replicated across 3 different controlled environments each). Not the same as E2 but it kind of makes you think.

 

[shredded.lyfe]

Estradiol conversion is a large part of why testosterone works so well

Also, Anastrozole doesn’t improve gyno, but tamoxifen does, which should make anyone question if estradiol is why people get gyno to begin with

Prevention of bicalutamide-induced breast events in patients with prostate cancer: a meta-analysis of randomized controlled trials - PubMed

Tamoxifen appears to be the most effective strategy for preventing bicalutamide-induced breast events, with radiotherapy serving as a viable alternative, and anastrozole offering no benefit. Further large-scale, high-quality studies are needed to confirm these findings and refine preventive...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Anastrozole is also linked to cardiac sides although it was shown at high doses (1mg daily).

Endogenous estrogens influence endothelial function in young men - PubMed

Males produce endogenous estrogen from testosterone via the enzyme aromatase. Previous studies have suggested a role for endogenous estrogens in cardiovascular function in men. We examined the effects of endogenous estrogen suppression via aromatase inhibition on endothelial function, systemic...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I would personally never use an AI for any reason. If elevated estradiol was really such a boogie man, I’d simply look for low dose primo or EQ.

Also, 16-aE2 and 17-aE2 both SIGNIFICANTLY increase lifespan in male mice too (replicated across 3 different controlled environments each). Not the same as E2 but it kind of makes you think.

Arimadex was linked to cardiovascular issues and Aromasin wasn't, the defining line was crashed estrogen, nothing to do with the drugs.

 

[dinfar1337]

Anastrozole is also linked to cardiac sides although it was shown at high doses (1mg daily).

hello, when reading studies its extremely important to be critical of what you're reading.

Anastrozole is linked to cardiac sides because of low estrogen, not the drug itself.

so same risk as lowering estrogen with eq or primo. but eq or primo brings higher cv risk with their sides aswell. getting on test+ai would be the lowest risk out of adding new steroids. maybe test+tamoxifen aswell but thats assuming u dont have high e2

tamoxifen isnt linked because it's a serm and dosent lower estrogen in the blood. only breast, bones, liver and protects heart.

 

[NotHuman]

Arimadex was linked to cardiovascular issues and Aromasin wasn't, the defining line was crashed estrogen, nothing to do with the drugs.

We don’t know this at all.

hello, when reading studies its extremely important to be critical of what you're reading.

Anastrozole is linked to cardiac sides because of low estrogen, not the drug itself.

so same risk as lowering estrogen with eq or primo. but eq or primo brings higher cv risk with their sides aswell. getting on test+ai would be the lowest risk out of adding new steroids. maybe test+tamoxifen aswell but thats assuming u dont have high e2

tamoxifen isnt linked because it's a serm and dosent lower estrogen in the blood. only breast, bones, liver and protects heart.

This is nothing more than a guess

 

[dinfar1337]

This is nothing more than a guess

the drugs lowers > estrogen

its nothing more than a guess its estrogen.

sorry my banana isnt speaking today. i will leave you with your sticky joy to your tomatoes

 

[NotHuman]

the drugs lowers > estrogen

its nothing more than a guess its estrogen.

sorry my banana isnt speaking today. i will leave you with your sticky joy to your tomatoes

Obviously low estrogen create massive problems. The drug itself, also creates problems.


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