First Cycle Questions - Possible EQ Only?

[radcon]

I am thinking about an Equipoise only cycle.

Seems like mixed reviews on this idea with more people somewhat against it. But that also seems to have a lot to with people’s stateed goals. It sounds like it would be good to have some Test. on hand as some have said that an EQ only cycle can make you feel kind of shitty and a little Test. really helps. Some have also said that by itself it can create some impotence, which would suck.

I’ve never done a cycle. I’m 28. Been training consistently for 14 years and been interested and curious about steroids for about the last 6. Currently, I’m not concerned with bodybuilding or putting on a bunch of mass.

What I’m looking to gain:
- Increased appetite – EQ seems to get mentioned a lot on this topic.
- Slight shift toward increased protein synthesis.
- A little bit of increased performance.

One thing that I strongly think holds me back from further gains is lacking appetite. I’ve done the force feeding thing successfully in the past but I hate it. It makes me feel shitty, bloated and sluggish and not even want to train which defeats the purpose. I don’t eat a bunch of crap and I use digestive supplements which help but don’t help the appetite part. I’ve tried various strategies and fought with my appetite for years.

I was on deca for a couple weeks a few years ago and it seemed to really help my appetite which just made everything a lot more enjoyable as far as being able to just train and eat some food and not have to feel so OCD or feel like I was “forcing” things so much.

I am getting some labs done very soon and would track biomarkers through cycle.

Questions:
1) Anyone have experience with EQ only? Are my goals in line with this?
2) If you think I have to have some Test in the cycle, what would you suggest? Could I get by with a small amount? Could I even use it on an as needed basis or does it need to be used consistently?
3) I’m thinking 10-12 weeks at 400mg/wk of EQ but honestly if I could take less and still gain some effect then I would. Thoughts?
4) I’m thinking it’s intelligent to have some AI’s on hand but most likely not going to be needed in this kind of cycle, correct or no? Also would PCT be necessary in this kind of cycle or would tapering be sufficient? Doesn’t seem like this would shut down HPTA function too drastically but I have no idea.

 

[calvare2]

I would start of with 250mgs of test every week and see how that goes, if you feel you need more, bump it up to 500mgs. As far as consistency I would use it nonstop along with the EQ. I would run EQ between 15-20 weeks to see good results and if used alone at doses between 800-1000mgs a week the reason being that is a mild anabolic and a weaker form of test. I would have AIs' on hand (Nolvadex) but probably won't need them unless you see start seeing side effects. The reason being that it aromatises test to estrogen at half the rate of testosterone. Also check your blood pressure because this compound has been known to raise it.

 

[noah_k]

Yes, EQ on its own sans test will shut down natural test production and well, without any exogenous test... that's not going to be a nice thing. You'll recover, but it's unnecessary to put yourself through this.

I don't know your reasons for not wanting test, maybe they're just based on ignorance in which case you have your reading cut out for you, but know that some people choose to stack test and eq for a smaller intensity cycle with potentially less sides than if they had done test alone at a higher dose.

 

[radcon]

Yes, EQ on its own sans test will shut down natural test production and well, without any exogenous test... that's not going to be a nice thing. You'll recover, but it's unnecessary to put yourself through this.

I don't know your reasons for not wanting test, maybe they're just based on ignorance in which case you have your reading cut out for you, but know that some people choose to stack test and eq for a smaller intensity cycle with potentially less sides than if they had done test alone at a higher dose.

I've done lots of reading on test. I'm not opposed to test nor am I afraid of it or anything like that. I just am unsure if it is essential given what I'm looking to gain. Know what I'm saying?

 

[noah_k]

Okay, well again EQ will shut you down, so as calvare says introduce a modest amount to mitigate that. You intentionally want a modest amount of gains, fine, but instead of putting yourself through discomfort and harm, why not just do a lesser amount of testosterone instead and keep your calories in check. It won't magically turn you into Ronnie Coleman, you have no reason to fear on that end.

@calvare small point but nolva isn't an AI

 

[calvare2]

Thanks for clearing that up noah_K

 

[radcon]

Okay, well again EQ will shut you down, so as calvare says introduce a modest amount to mitigate that. You intentionally want a modest amount of gains, fine, but instead of putting yourself through discomfort and harm, why not just do a lesser amount of testosterone instead and keep your calories in check. It won't magically turn you into Ronnie Coleman, you have no reason to fear on that end.

@calvare small point but nolva isn't an AI

This is exactly the kind of input I'm looking for, thanks! I understand that plenty of ppl already have their mind made up and are just looking for people to agree with them. I'm not like that. I want the input and guidance from people's experience. It's one thing to read about the different substances - it's another thing to have experienced them. On paper, EQ seems like something that would be fine to take by itself but seems like experience says otherwise.

 

[radcon]

I would start of with 250mgs of test every week and see how that goes, if you feel you need more, bump it up to 500mgs. As far as consistency I would use it nonstop along with the EQ. I would run EQ between 15-20 weeks to see good results and if used alone at doses between 800-1000mgs a week the reason being that is a mild anabolic and a weaker form of test. I would have AIs' on hand (Nolvadex) but probably won't need them unless you see start seeing side effects. The reason being that it aromatises test to estrogen at half the rate of testosterone. Also check your blood pressure because this compound has been known to raise it.

Have you done this kind of cycle before? Is there a particular test esther that you recommend? Would it be wise to go with a shorter esther and be more in control or just enanthate and inject about 1x/week? Or is that an arbitrary question?

 

[RagingWilly]

Sorry I only read the question and didnt read comments, but I'm sure they all say use Test.

EQ alone will cause a terrible crash after your cycle without Test. I know from a buddys experience.

TEST is ALWAYS a Base for Cycles (Most Cycles)

Hope this helped!

-Willy

 

[calvare2]

I would go with either test E or test CYP, but it's just personal preference. If you like to pin EOD go with prop.

 

[RagingWilly]

Personally, I like Test Prop with EQ Cycles.

EQ 2x a week, Test Prop EOD

 

[radcon]

Sorry I only read the question and didnt read comments, but I'm sure they all say use Test.

EQ alone will cause a terrible crash after your cycle without Test. I know from a buddys experience.

TEST is ALWAYS a Base for Cycles (Most Cycles)

Hope this helped!

-Willy

Yep. That appears to be the sentiment. Your input is helpful.

 

[TaoPhD]

One of my buddies swears by a Test C and EQ stack. I'm into my first cycle and everyone suggested TEST. Good luck dude

 

[1forthegeeks]

In my experience test only cycles raised my appetite some. You might get the results that your looking for at 500mg wk test, without having to do an excessively long first cycle. You could see how your body responses and try eq next.

I haven't tried eq quiet yet, maybe someone experienced with the compound can draw a comparison.

Also, even though you say don't don't want to put on a lot of mass, you obviously want to eat more, meaning you want gains. So I would have some test either way.

 

[pittbox]

EQ only made my dick completely useless. No wood no libido, nothing.
It also but me in a real bad mood all the time.
One morning after finishing the paperwork to plan out my day my boss walks in late and says "oh we're not going to do that today" I threw my clipboard at the wall as hard as I could shattering it and then stomped off like a little kid. I had to go for a half hour walk to cool down. Yeah that mad over nothing.
I haven't ran it sense.

 

[radcon]

EQ only made my dick completely useless. No wood no libido, nothing.
It also but me in a real bad mood all the time.
One morning after finishing the paperwork to plan out my day my boss walks in late and says "oh we're not going to do that today" I threw my clipboard at the wall as hard as I could shattering it and then stomped off like a little kid. I had to go for a half hour walk to cool down. Yeah that mad over nothing.
I haven't ran it sense.

Wow! Good to know. Definitely don't want any of that.

 

[radcon]

In my experience test only cycles raised my appetite some. You might get the results that your looking for at 500mg wk test, without having to do an excessively long first cycle. You could see how your body responses and try eq next.

I haven't tried eq quiet yet, maybe someone experienced with the compound can draw a comparison.

Also, even though you say don't don't want to put on a lot of mass, you obviously want to eat more, meaning you want gains. So I would have some test either way.

Yeah I want some additional gains but I'm also kind of into experimentation and just kind of seeing what happens. I know none of this is magic or anything and that's not what I'm going for anyways. I'm not into bodybuilding but as performance increases a person's body tends to look pretty good as well.
I've been training in various ways and experimenting with diet for close to 15 years w/o steroids. I'm curious to see what this does.

 

[brutus79]

I echo the sentiment that you should do test only at 5-600 weekly. you seem to want limited/conservative results with minimal physical backlash, so why throw the kitchen sink at your body? in my experience test will raise your appetite, speed recovery and multiply mass gains considerably by itself. if you do a test/eq cycle and don't like something about it you won't even know what compound to blame. if you waited this long to try something - go one step at a time. I would do test only but I prefer a deca stack because it makes my shoulders and elbows pain free with increased training. go slow and enjoy every bit. just my humble opinion.

 

[radcon]

Thanks brutus - I appreciate your humble opinion. I have been thinking of perhaps just doing a test only cycle. I would agree that it makes a lot of sense to get a feel for how I respond to Test by itself. My previous thought was of doing about 250 mg/wk of test + 250 mg/wk of EQ - so nothing crazy. So yeah maybe I'll just try test out. I'm pretty much over the idea of doing an EQ only cycle at this point.

 

[brutus79]

Enjoy it. I'm not a vet by any means, but I'm not new... only new at finding my own src. old one is on a forced vacation.
when these guys talk about eq shutting down natural test production with even a small amount they aren't kidding that it is serious. you won't want to get out of bed and your dick won't work for a month.
test is gods gift to your dick, appetite and training. you really don't need to go to 600, but that's the magic number for max results with minimum sides.
good luck and keep asking questions. its the only way to learn considering the other way is growing tits or something.