feel like shit on deca. Do I need caber?

Juicedhead

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So NPP im fine just did a cycle with 300mg npp and felt pretty good. Cruised for a while and started deca at 500mg. I feel like complete shit since I kicked in, no energy, depression, appetite is gone, can hardly train. Which is weird cuz npp I dont have this problem. Im trying to figure out whats going on. Could I need caber? My test is at 750mg, I use arimidex like once a week i dont think my e2 is high. Any thoughts?
 
I would pull bloods while on and get your prolactin checked. That should tell you if it's a psychological thing or a hormonal issue. I reacted differently to npp and deca. Same with a guy I know. I handled deca alright but npp was a train I do t want to ride again; It was the reverse for him.
If you have adhd that could also impact your ability to handle the progesterone driven side effects too bc of it messing with dopamine. I would avoid caber unless absolutely necessary because it's a slippery slope and can get you hurt. That being said if you're prolactin is high, it would be appropriate to use cable and as soon as It's within range, drop it.
 
Complete anecdote from myself. I don't have a really bad reaction to decca. I run it at 100mg with test E 125mg and have perfect bloodwork when cruising.

I'm doing a quick blast (125mg test, 350mg Decca, 420mg mast E) and noticed that adding Masterton helped to offset the mood issues I was having. It also seems to boost my libido (constant sexual thoughts) which Decca suppressed.

Anyhow I cautiously added .25mg cabergoline due to getting sensitive nipples 2 weeks in. My estrogen can't be high because I'm not taking enough test.

Cabergoline could seriously become addictive because it increases sexual performance and mood in my experience. However I am keeping it at .25mg only for the blast.

As for testing for prolactin the sides like people have mentioned could be due to progesterone activity.

Once again, personal anecdote.
 
Should I stay on the deca and pull bloods or come down to cruise and pull bloods then?
What @redsssn03 said. Stay on, pull bloods, see what the issue is. I'm sure you have plenty of experience with gear at this point, so you probably have an idea what's causing what, but good practice would be to confirm with bloodwork (mainly to prevent bad things from happening again in the future). If you figure out it's the Deca, take it out and run NPP instead, since you know you react to it well, or just cut out Nandrolones in general.
 
Deca solo lowers dopamine and riases prolactin, along with no real androgenic ratio. I did 210 mgs deca solo for three months and it was a mess. From now on I use l-dopa, or something that raises dopamine, lowers prolactin. Generally dbol is a good combo, or primo for some androgenic drive.

Are deca s progesterone effects , that can feel like estrogen, anything to be concerned about?
 
Could just be the difference in ester and your body does better with the larger peaks and troughs of NPP. Could be the difference between 300mg and 500mg as well. I tend to avoid drugs like cabergoline myself so I can't help there but usually keeping estrogen down is enough to avoid sides like gyno. Mentally though that's just what nandrolone does. I tried different levels of test and adding in masteron. Didn't help. If you figure it out let me know but I came to the conclusion that's just how I'll feel if I run that compound. Npp or deca do it to me so I'm surprised npp didn't effect you. You might be very lucky there and just have to stick with NPP
 
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Nah, u need to stop taking deca.
Im thinking this. Just dont tolerate it anymore, Im dropping it. Switching to primo and just kicking nandro at this point. I was able to get what I needed to done on the npp but it was a struggle, Just fucks everything up, Im almost 33 now I feel like the last few years I have become way sensitive to gear mentally. Any changes and I get huge slumps that last a week or two. I used to be able to use a lot of shit and I didnt notice anything like this. Could be just getting old? Idk cuz theres guys my age who still use quite a bit and they dont have a problem.
 
Complete anecdote from myself. I don't have a really bad reaction to decca. I run it at 100mg with test E 125mg and have perfect bloodwork when cruising.

I'm doing a quick blast (125mg test, 350mg Decca, 420mg mast E) and noticed that adding Masterton helped to offset the mood issues I was having. It also seems to boost my libido (constant sexual thoughts) which Decca suppressed.

Anyhow I cautiously added .25mg cabergoline due to getting sensitive nipples 2 weeks in. My estrogen can't be high because I'm not taking enough test.

Cabergoline could seriously become addictive because it increases sexual performance and mood in my experience. However I am keeping it at .25mg only for the blast.

As for testing for prolactin the sides like people have mentioned could be due to progesterone activity.

Once again, personal anecdote.
do you notice you last longer on caber? Whenever im on cycle I notice I cant last for shit bro its embarrassing.
 
do you notice you last longer on caber? Whenever im on cycle I notice I cant last for shit bro its embarrassing.
Well to be honest bro for my entire life pretty much I've had the opposite problem. When I added 19nors it made my Did Not Finish problem worse.

Now on cabergoline I'm more sensitive and can finish quicker. I remember on tren I lost a lot of sensitivity and was almost numb. I'm thinking it's a combination of the masteron and caber. Cabergoline shortens the refractory period so you can go multiple times per day.
 
Complete anecdote from myself. I don't have a really bad reaction to decca. I run it at 100mg with test E 125mg and have perfect bloodwork when cruising.

I'm doing a quick blast (125mg test, 350mg Decca, 420mg mast E) and noticed that adding Masterton helped to offset the mood issues I was having. It also seems to boost my libido (constant sexual thoughts) which Decca suppressed.

Anyhow I cautiously added .25mg cabergoline due to getting sensitive nipples 2 weeks in. My estrogen can't be high because I'm not taking enough test.

Cabergoline could seriously become addictive because it increases sexual performance and mood in my experience. However I am keeping it at .25mg only for the blast.

As for testing for prolactin the sides like people have mentioned could be due to progesterone activity.

Once again, personal anecdote.
I had npp blues and the minute i added Mast it totally cured that shit, even at@200 mg week,,
 
Well to be honest bro for my entire life pretty much I've had the opposite problem. When I added 19nors it made my Did Not Finish problem worse.

Now on cabergoline I'm more sensitive and can finish quicker. I remember on tren I lost a lot of sensitivity and was almost numb. I'm thinking it's a combination of the masteron and caber. Cabergoline shortens the refractory period so you can go multiple times per day.
what do you mean slippery slope with caber?
 
what do you mean slippery slope with caber?
Well seems as it works well and you can have sex more frequently some people increase the dose to increase sexual performance. I don't know if it's masteron or caber but my orgasm intensity increased after the initial dosing. It's sort of returned to baseline now.

The half life is long so each dose stacks. I'm making sure I wait a few weeks before increasing the dose.

So yeah that's what I mean by slippery slope. Basically chasing the dragon or diminishing returns.
 
do you notice you last longer on caber? Whenever im on cycle I notice I cant last for shit bro its embarrassing.
Lol, same here. I thought deca/npp were supposed to help with that. Made me hornier but didn't extend the time at all. Tren did nothing either. I even tried a stupid nandrolone/dbol cycle with no testosterone but that also didn't change anything. Tried dapoxetine and no improvement either. In my younger days before I was married I would go rub one or two out in the bathroom ahead of time and that did the job.
 
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So NPP im fine just did a cycle with 300mg npp and felt pretty good. Cruised for a while and started deca at 500mg. I feel like complete shit since I kicked in, no energy, depression, appetite is gone, can hardly train. Which is weird cuz npp I dont have this problem. Im trying to figure out whats going on. Could I need caber? My test is at 750mg, I use arimidex like once a week i dont think my e2 is high. Any thoughts?
750 test plus 500 deca and only Arimidex one time a week?! My first guess would be sky high estrogen.
 

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