estrogen metabolism protocol

[hardasnails1973]

Great thread......
I have used the product "Post Cycle" from Protein Factory which contains Calcium D-Glucarate to lower my High E levels and I have had good results. I have also used DIM but If I am not careful about the dosage have found that I can drive my E2 too low with DIM. When taking Calcium D-Glucarate I have not gotten too low.

Just my 2 cents

Calcium d will not drive estrogen too low because it just make sure that its escorted out the body and not reabsorbed back in the blood stream adding extra stress to liver and possible clogging up testosterone receptors.

The 64 million dollar question is " will the reabsorb estrogen affect testosterone receptors sites I think this can be explained by xenoestrogen causing disruption in scientific findings and in clincal setting so my answer to this is YES !! and calcium D may be the missing piece of the puzzle due to all the hormone laiden meat and pesticides we consume.. Could be why cancer rate is on the rise but more so my theory of cancer is that is lack of iodine that fucken FDA took out of food in the 70's and replaced with bromine which causes iodine not to be assimulated in the thyroid.

 

[plymouth city]

11-06 my estradoil was 43 (10 - 50), TT was 490

I have since started to take
ZMA ED
Fish Oil ED( 1.1 DHA, .4 EPA)
Vit E
Resveratrol
Vit ACE + Selenium 2 days week

I am adding in
Calcium D Glucarate ED
DIM + TMG EOD

Possible future addition of Dermacrine Sustain.....

 

[hardasnails1973]

11-06 my estradoil was 43 (10 - 50), TT was 490

I have since started to take
ZMA ED
Fish Oil ED( 1.1 DHA, .4 EPA)
Vit E
Resveratrol
Vit ACE + Selenium 2 days week

I am adding in
Calcium D Glucarate ED
DIM + TMG EOD

Possible future addition of Dermacrine Sustain.....

Personally say screw it and take liquidex at .5 mgs m,th and retest in 3 weeks that way you know.. its more stable to track things clinically and its a concise dosage and consistant every time . natual supplementation is too much hit or miss..

 

[pmgamer18]

Personally say screw it and take liquidex at .5 mgs m,th and retest in 3 weeks that way you know.. its more stable to track things clinically and its a concise dosage and consistant every time . natual supplementation is too much hit or miss..

Now your talking but .5 is too much do .25mgs. every 3 days when you get some strong morning wood you then know your E2 is in the right range keep taking this but if wood stops I use this as a gauge to not go to low. So stop the Arimidex until wood comes back that day go back on it but do it less like every 5 days.

 

[hardasnails1973]

Now your talking but .5 is too much do .25mgs. every 3 days when you get some strong morning wood you then know your E2 is in the right range keep taking this but if wood stops I use this as a gauge to not go to low. So stop the Arimidex until wood comes back that day go back on it but do it less like every 5 days.

i take liquidex day of shot to keep the spike down. i know once I get my e2 in check my anxiety which is not bad will be lower. At your advice I stopped the dim waiting to get the urine test and then blood work done on the day of the shot. When ever i take armidex before taking a shot its like my constipation is so muich better then day after it get worse. Prgrmmer once you are taking say a dosage of armidex for 2-3 weeks and its built up in system then that dosage stays consistent current whether you are doing .25 EOD or .5 m,th. Butt can axiety be cause by low estrogen as well. Like i took .5 mgs yesterday but my tits are itchy today and they were yesterday as well.. so progreemer if doing .5 mgs

So question is this
if 2 twins completely identical blood work one does .5 mgs m,th that 1 mgs total a week and one does .25 EOD that like .85 over a 2 week period would end result on blood work given at same time on be identical? due to the peaking in the blood stream over the time perioid?

 

[plymouth city]

Personally say screw it and take liquidex at .5 mgs m,th and retest in 3 weeks that way you know.. its more stable to track things clinically and its a concise dosage and consistant every time . natual supplementation is too much hit or miss..

No way Jans, those products above have SO MANY health enhancing benefits that go beyond estrogen management. AI's do not.

 

[JanSz]

Great thread......
I have used the product "Post Cycle" from Protein Factory which contains Calcium D-Glucarate to lower my High E levels and I have had good results. I have also used DIM but If I am not careful about the dosage have found that I can drive my E2 too low with DIM. When taking Calcium D-Glucarate I have not gotten too low.

Just my 2 cents

How did you found that DIM lowers your E2,
by how you feel
or by blood testing?

 

[pmgamer18]

i take liquidex day of shot to keep the spike down. i know once I get my e2 in check my anxiety which is not bad will be lower. At your advice I stopped the dim waiting to get the urine test and then blood work done on the day of the shot. When ever i take armidex before taking a shot its like my constipation is so muich better then day after it get worse. Prgrmmer once you are taking say a dosage of armidex for 2-3 weeks and its built up in system then that dosage stays consistent current whether you are doing .25 EOD or .5 m,th. Butt can axiety be cause by low estrogen as well. Like i took .5 mgs yesterday but my tits are itchy today and they were yesterday as well.. so progreemer if doing .5 mgs

So question is this
if 2 twins completely identical blood work one does .5 mgs m,th that 1 mgs total a week and one does .25 EOD that like .85 over a 2 week period would end result on blood work given at same time on be identical? due to the peaking in the blood stream over the time perioid?[/QUOTE
You need to find the dose that works for you not me or twin if you had one. Best thing I can tell you is to get in tune with your body so you know when your E2 is high or Low. I know one guy that could tell he is high by the taste in him mouth. No when you go to low no axiety or feeling of panic mostly ED and brian fog. I helped a 83 yr. old guy on TRT for 39 yrs. get his sex life back taking Arimidex he and his wife are still doing the nasty. He takes a .25mgs part of Arimidex evey 10 days. There is no set way to do this.

 

[keaster]

[ I No when you go to low no axiety or feeling of panic mostly ED and brian fog. .

Sorry, what does this mean. That when you go to low you get brain fog and ED?

 

[Normandy]

So question is this
if 2 twins completely identical blood work one does .5 mgs m,th that 1 mgs total a week and one does .25 EOD that like .85 over a 2 week period would end result on blood work given at same time on be identical? due to the peaking in the blood stream over the time perioid?

Have you considered the kinetics of first pass digestion/metabolism?





-- Normandy

 

[Iggy_347]

How did you found that DIM lowers your E2,
by how you feel
or by blood testing?

By Blood Test and How I feel. I have a test that shows lowered E2 but raised total E from DIM usage. These tests were done in January.

I switched to Calcium D-Glucarate in Feburary to lower E2 and Total E. I have not blood tested Calcium D-Glucarate yet only going on how I feel using it. I have been using it consistantly for 2 months and am getting tested in June. But In those 2 months I have not had any signs of Low E2 I can tell if my E2 is getting over the top of range by loss of wood/libido and excessive sweating for no reason. When It gets over range I will take DIM and Calcium D-Glucarate for a few days until wood returns and sweating subsides, then I only use Calcium D-Glucarate until I have high E2 symptoms again.....usually in about a week and a half..........I am not on TRT so I do not get the spikes that the TRT guys see.

Iggy

 

[hardasnails1973]

By Blood Test and How I feel. I have a test that shows lowered E2 but raised total E from DIM usage. These tests were done in January.

I switched to Calcium D-Glucarate in Feburary to lower E2 and Total E. I have not blood tested Calcium D-Glucarate yet only going on how I feel using it. I have been using it consistantly for 2 months and am getting tested in June. But In those 2 months I have not had any signs of Low E2 I can tell if my E2 is getting over the top of range by loss of wood/libido and excessive sweating for no reason. When It gets over range I will take DIM and Calcium D-Glucarate for a few days until wood returns and sweating subsides, then I only use Calcium D-Glucarate until I have high E2 symptoms again.....usually in about a week and a half..........I am not on TRT so I do not get the spikes that the TRT guys see.

Iggy

People may also want to look into iodine deficiecny yot insufficency because it will help to raise the estroiol level and help to prevent eh bad side effects of estrodial and estrone. I am doing more research into this connection. Since cancer , hypothyroid and iodine are relatied i tihnk alot may be linked to trigger malfunction in DNA replication and polymotphism. i think the key to estrogen metabolism is identifiying where the abnormalities from the beginning to untill it is out of you. and health practioners are only examing 60% and forgetting about the other 40% .

once all the proper conversions are taking place is the shit getting out your body and not reabsorbing back in clogging up endocrine receptors. This is how xeno estrogens work and will all the toxins in the world and food we eat calcium d glucruate would be top of my supplement lists because conversion can be altered with fish oils, ect but ithey do not take care of the environmental part of the equastion.

People with cancer have higher esterone and estrodial levels then estriol.. something to thing about.

 

[plymouth city]

By Blood Test and How I feel. I have a test that shows lowered E2 but raised total E from DIM usage. These tests were done in January.

I switched to Calcium D-Glucarate in Feburary to lower E2 and Total E. I have not blood tested Calcium D-Glucarate yet only going on how I feel using it. I have been using it consistantly for 2 months and am getting tested in June. But In those 2 months I have not had any signs of Low E2 I can tell if my E2 is getting over the top of range by loss of wood/libido and excessive sweating for no reason. When It gets over range I will take DIM and Calcium D-Glucarate for a few days until wood returns and sweating subsides, then I only use Calcium D-Glucarate until I have high E2 symptoms again.....usually in about a week and a half..........I am not on TRT so I do not get the spikes that the TRT guys see.

Iggy

It is perfectly healthy(and maybe even more ideal) to have total estrogens to be in the middle range, or even near the bottom of the upper 1/3. Estrogens are vital and important and do alot of healthy things in the body. E2 is the one that you want smack dab in the middle, not any higher. An increase in total estrogens is not cause for alarm in any way.

Yea, I think DIM is a pretty strong product that doesn't necessarily needed every day. Dose on feel. I will prolly go with an EOD protocol and go from there.

 

[Vforcer2]

A question for those that have elevated Bilirubin/Gilberts: Do any of you have skin problems like dry scaley sking or adult acne problems?

Here is the best deal I have found for CDG: http://www.vitacost.com/NatrolCalciumDGlucarate

 

[plymouth city]

A question for those that have elevated Bilirubin/Gilberts: Do any of you have skin problems like dry scaley sking or adult acne problems?

Here is the best deal I have found for CDG: http://www.vitacost.com/NatrolCalciumDGlucarate

Might as well go threw LEF, become a member and support them. Pick up TMB while you are there, and DIM from here - http://www.ultimatemedresearch.com/drnickdelgado.html

 

[hardasnails1973]

Might as well go threw LEF, become a member and support them. Pick up TMB while you are there, and DIM from here - http://www.ultimatemedresearch.com/drnickdelgado.html

TMG LOL you always have problem with that one bro

 

[LLCoolJD]

Yes! I have suspected for a while now that my gut flora are in some way to blame for my low libido, which has just celebrated its second birthday. What caused me to suspect this was the fact that whenever I moved to a new town (be it for a summer job, end-of-semester-holiday, vacations, etc.) the change in tap water seemed to affect my gut flora balance/bowel movements. Temporarily after such a move, my libido would wake up. It's as though the partial dying off of the bad flora was alleviating my symptoms. FYI I used to be on a monodox antibiotic regimen, which I now regret, as I suspect it wrecked my healthy gut bacteria. I realize that I'm not a gastroenterologist, but I do have a degree in Microbiology.

I'm intrigued, and have ordered some of the glucarate.

 

[plymouth city]

TMG LOL you always have problem with that one bro

LOL its not me its my estradoil level of 43 that mucks my memory up [)]

 

[hardasnails1973]

Yes! I have suspected for a while now that my gut flora are in some way to blame for my low libido, which has just celebrated its second birthday. What caused me to suspect this was the fact that whenever I moved to a new town (be it for a summer job, end-of-semester-holiday, vacations, etc.) the change in tap water seemed to affect my gut flora balance/bowel movements. Temporarily after such a move, my libido would wake up. It's as though the partial dying off of the bad flora was alleviating my symptoms. FYI I used to be on a monodox antibiotic regimen, which I now regret, as I suspect it wrecked my healthy gut bacteria. I realize that I'm not a gastroenterologist, but I do have a degree in Microbiology.

I'm intrigued, and have ordered some of the glucarate.

Tap water contains fluoride and chlorine both which leak out iodine

 

[Normandy]

Tap water contains fluoride and chlorine both which leak out iodine

So what are your thoughts on drinking distilled water? Can buy a personal distiller for 100 bucks at Sears. There are a few points to consider. One, is the fact that trace-mineral-deprived distilled water will leach out your own stores of minerals. But suppose you sprinkle some sea salts into ur container of distilled water? Are there some other "mysterious" and yet unidentified trace minerals that we should assume are present in tap water? Anyone study geology enough to answer that one?

The other point is I wonder if chlorine and fluoride are really truly eliminated in a personal home distiller machine. Theoretically it should be pure H20 condensed from steam, but I wonder if you boil tap water, will chlorine molecules rise up with the steam and later condense back into the recepticle. That one should be easy to test out using some chlorine test kits. Im sure there must be some cheap floride litmus paper too somewhere.

So aside from that... any other thoughts on drinking pure distilled water?



-- Normandy