Equipoise vs Primobolan

[bibl]

Started off my steroid journey considering primo to be better than equipoise based off the various videos and studies I had seen.

However what I learned seems to have been surface level and I am still super inexperienced. The more I learn about equipoise the better it seems.

Is there any reason to not run EQ over primo if you want more lean gains and do not have hct/blood pressure issues? Is it simply better for those who do not get sides (ignoring increased appetite and e2 effects)?

 

[Eddie.]

Some guys notice anxiety from EQ, although imo I blame it mostly on crashed estradiol than something from the compound itself.

But the conversion to e1 instead of e2 maybe has something to do with inducing anxiety and I’m not so sure about that.

Also, EQ depletes gaba and after prolonged use you may need to supplement with gaba, this is another reason of potential anxiety but that’s easy to prevent by supplementing gaba. I take 3-4 times a week 750mg just for the peace of mind.

Another reason NOT to use EQ is if you deal with high RBC and HCT in the first place before adding the EQ. Personally I have a low HCT and despite I want to raise it EQ and other compounds ain’t doing anything. Probably my EPO stimulation is just low.

But having a 50+ HCT and going in a cycle with EQ is like asking for trouble, and not just EQ but high test, deca, primo and other steroids in general.

I don’t think I’ll be using primo again, I have some vials left for just in case but I’m fine with EQ. It’s way cheaper, always available, high concentration and painless in pinning. Primo is a b!tch. Gains are similar with EQ from what I’ve experienced so far but primo comes with a lot of reasons to avoid it.

 

[bibl]

Some guys notice anxiety from EQ, although imo I blame it mostly on crashed estradiol than something from the compound itself.

But the conversion to e1 instead of e2 maybe has something to do with inducing anxiety and I’m not so sure about that.

Also, EQ depletes gaba and after prolonged use you may need to supplement with gaba, this is another reason of potential anxiety but that’s easy to prevent by supplementing gaba. I take 3-4 times a week 750mg just for the peace of mind.

Another reason NOT to use EQ is if you deal with high RBC and HCT in the first place before adding the EQ. Personally I have a low HCT and despite I want to raise it EQ and other compounds ain’t doing anything. Probably my EPO stimulation is just low.

But having a 50+ HCT and going in a cycle with EQ is like asking for trouble, and not just EQ but high test, deca, primo and other steroids in general.

I don’t think I’ll be using primo again, I have some vials left for just in case but I’m fine with EQ. It’s way cheaper, always available, high concentration and painless in pinning. Primo is a b!tch. Gains are similar with EQ from what I’ve experienced so far but primo comes with a lot of reasons to avoid it.

So if I have no hct issues should I just go with EQ? I so no reason to use primo I just already have some from before shortages got worse but could sell and buy way more eq

 

[Bandern]

I prefer eq cuz I cuz I don’t have to steal as many catalytic converters to run a cycle of it

 

[ackmack78]

So if I have no hct issues should I just go with EQ? I so no reason to use primo I just already have some from before shortages got worse but could sell and buy way more eq

You'll have to figure that out on your own. No one's going to tell you what to run. He gave you plenty of good information use it to make a decision for yourself

 

[Kingshit108]

Started off my steroid journey considering primo to be better than equipoise based off the various videos and studies I had seen.

However what I learned seems to have been surface level and I am still super inexperienced. The more I learn about equipoise the better it seems.

Is there any reason to not run EQ over primo if you want more lean gains and do not have hct/blood pressure issues? Is it simply better for those who do not get sides (ignoring increased appetite and e2 effects)?

I've said it before, EQ is the poor man's primo.. if the side effects dont trouble you.. ide say run EQ as long as you can.. switch to primo when you can afford it..

Primo is a superior drug imo

 

[shepherd]

Primo is a superior drug imo

What about for the safety of your hair?

 

[RockyP]

What about for the safety of your hair?

Like all side effects is very dependent on the individual. I’d you’re prone to androgenic alopecia even test will cause hair loss. I struggle with lipids and hct but my hairline is bulletproof.

 

[bibl]

You'll have to figure that out on your own. No one's going to tell you what to run. He gave you plenty of good information use it to make a decision for yourself

Fair enough

 

[Zbignew]

I like both a lot, although not run at the same time. I respond well to both, and they make me feel like a million bucks

But because I'm a stingy slav I prefer Eq because:

Cheaper mg vs mg

Even well-brewed Primo still has a bite to it

Higher concentration per ml equals less injection volume

I'm a wuss and pushing big syringes multiple times a week gets tiresome I can get more Eq into me with fewer, smaller shots

 

[RockyP]

If you can tolerate EQ, don’t even bother with primo. I got horrible anxiety from EQ when I tried it back in the day and with that long ester I can’t bring myself to try it again. But I do wish I could tolerate it. I’d save a shitload of money.

 

[Kingshit108]

I like both a lot, although not run at the same time. I respond well to both, and they make me feel like a million bucks

But because I'm a stingy slav I prefer Eq because:

Cheaper mg vs mg

Even well-brewed Primo still has a bite to it

Higher concentration per ml equals less injection volume

I'm a wuss and pushing big syringes multiple times a week gets tiresome I can get more Eq into me with fewer, smaller shots

Yea tbh the cost didnt wear me down nearly as much as the pip.. I made primo E 200mg/ml and it bit hard... plus tryna pin a few times a week became tiresome

 

[Kingshit108]

What about for the safety of your hair?

EQ>Primo for hair

 

[Eddie.]

So if I have no hct issues should I just go with EQ? I so no reason to use primo I just already have some from before shortages got worse but could sell and buy way more eq

Of course. Even if your HCT is getting high this day and age we know about so many ways and supplements to lower it, from methylene blue to IP6 and nattokinase..

I see no reason using primo, unless you're a pro or someone very wealthy (still, not this shitty period we're going through shortage) and willing to put a ton of money on a single compound.

That thing is getting more expensive than HGH, i mean why not use EQ and spend those extra dollars on getting more HGH? It's a no brainer if you're in a budget. Just my 2 cents, everyone must weigh all the options available and do the best for him. I used primo when i could find legit primo for $30, there's no way i'd pay double or triple for a bottle and cut something else from my stack.

 

[RockyP]

Yea tbh the cost didnt wear me down nearly as much as the pip.. I made primo E 200mg/ml and it bit hard... plus tryna pin a few times a week became tiresome

Did you pin it by itself in the syringe? I’ve tried 2 primo 200’s (one had EO in it which likely smoothed it out) but always mix with a mild test / sust in the barrel and it’s been ok. I have heard from other guys that some
P200 was unusable for them due to PIP

 

[RockyP]

Of course. Even if your HCT is getting high this day and age we know about so many ways and supplements to lower it, from methylene blue to IP6 and nattokinase..

I see no reason using primo, unless you're a pro or someone very wealthy (still, not this shitty period we're going through shortage) and willing to put a ton of money on a single compound.

That thing is getting more expensive than HGH, i mean why not use EQ and spend those extra dollars on getting more HGH? It's a no brainer if you're in a budget. Just my 2 cents, everyone must weigh all the options available and do the best for him. I used primo when i could find legit primo for $30, there's no way i'd pay double or triple for a bottle and cut something else from my stack.

Gotta agree here also. If it wasn’t for the god awful anxiety I got from EQ I’d give it another go. But I don’t feel like needing to possibly pop Xanax or whatever else for days / weeks if it happens again. It was over 15 years ago but I remember it like it was yesterday. So nasty. So aside from that issue I do think everyone looking for a secondary anabolic with E2 control should 100% try EQ first (and stick with it if you tolerate it). Definitely no reason to ever use primo if you do ok with EQ.

 

[Eddie.]

Gotta agree here also. If it wasn’t for the god awful anxiety I got from EQ I’d give it another go. But I don’t feel like needing to possibly pop Xanax or whatever else for days / weeks if it happens again. It was over 15 years ago but I remember it like it was yesterday. So nasty. So aside from that issue I do think everyone looking for a secondary anabolic with E2 control should 100% try EQ first (and stick with it if you tolerate it). Definitely no reason to ever use primo if you do ok with EQ.

15 years is way too long to make sure it will hit you again the same way. I don’t know what gene or whatever it is on our bodies that handle peds is but there’s a big chance you can run it no probs. See chace irons for example, he used to hate EQ when he run it 10+ years back but now loves it. Also some guys could tolerate 19nors and now they simply can’t. Something is changing, it’s not a given that you will run it and it will induce anxiety.

 

[RockyP]

15 years is way too long to make sure it will hit you again the same way. I don’t know what gene or whatever it is on our bodies that handle peds is but there’s a big chance you can run it no probs. See chace irons for example, he used to hate EQ when he run it 10+ years back but now loves it. Also some guys could tolerate 19nors and now they simply can’t. Something is changing, it’s not a given that you will run it and it will induce anxiety.

I might need to try it. Especially because primo didn’t do much for my E2. Now running primo 50% higher than test w no issues. Even tho my LDL and ApoB are low primo did drop my already low HDL another 10%. Not really an issue with LDL as low as mine but still. It’d be nice to get same effects for a quarter of the price.

Would you suggest 1:1 ratio w test?

And I did the math again - EQ anxiety fiasco was 20 years ago…

 

[Rakuna]

I appreciate the advice here, guys. I uncertain about whether to choose EQ or Primo for my next cycle, but I think that given my high hematocrit and baseline thicker blood, I’ll be best off with Primo!

 

[ackmack78]

I might need to try it. Especially because primo didn’t do much for my E2. Now running primo 50% higher than test w no issues. Even tho my LDL and ApoB are low primo did drop my already low HDL another 10%. Not really an issue with LDL as low as mine but still. It’d be nice to get same effects for a quarter of the price.

Would you suggest 1:1 ratio w test?

And I did the math again - EQ anxiety fiasco was 20 years ago…

If you've had an issue with EQ before I wouldn't jump in at 1:1. I'd go 2:1 with test or if you really want start higher than maximum 3:2 test to eq