Eq vs mast off season advice

[Loggg]

Ran 600 test 200 primo 300npp last cycle and put on some good size but looking to switch things up this time plan is to run 600 test eq/mast 100 tren first 8-10 weeks then switch over too npp but now my problem is if I should run eq or mast to help control my e2 I've never ran ether of these compounds before and health is definitely a priority just curious what everyone thinks the best option would be and ratios with the eq I'm concerned about hematocrit and hemoglobin getting too high and Bp not quite sure how to resolve this other then donating blood and staying highdryared and with the mast im concerned about it crushing my lipids and hair and it just being a overall not good compound for the off season as it seems like that's what everyone has to say about it I would love to run the primo again but it's simply just nitnin my budget

 

[RockyP]

Do you have current labs? that would be a good place to start. Not everyone gets the increased H/H from EQ, but a lot of us do.

Also, 8 to 10 weeks is not enough for EQ, think more like 16 weeks minimum. You'll get A LOT of different opinions about Mast and how effective it is at adding tissue. I would say EQ is better, and it will also bump your appetite (if that's what you are looking for).

So, check labs, if H/H are high (and ferritin is not low) - i'd donate blood first before doing anything else. If the labs are ok, consider 16 weeks minimum of EQ. Otherwise, you can try test / mast for 8 - 10 weeks as you mentioned.

All else Equal, i'd try the EQ. It's cheap, effective, and largely well tolerated unless you get the anxiety and blood viscosity issues. Personally I don't tolerate it, but I wish i did.

 

[Loggg]

Do you have current labs? that would be a good place to start. Not everyone gets the increased H/H from EQ, but a lot of us do.

Also, 8 to 10 weeks is not enough for EQ, think more like 16 weeks minimum. You'll get A LOT of different opinions about Mast and how effective it is at adding tissue. I would say EQ is better, and it will also bump your appetite (if that's what you are looking for).

So, check labs, if H/H are high (and ferritin is not low) - i'd donate blood first before doing anything else. If the labs are ok, consider 16 weeks minimum of EQ. Otherwise, you can try test / mast for 8 - 10 weeks as you mentioned.

All else Equal, i'd try the EQ. It's cheap, effective, and largely well tolerated unless you get the anxiety and blood viscosity issues. Personally I don't tolerate it, but I wish i did.

The tren is for 8-10 weeks its a 20 week cycle I'm swapping out the tren for npp 8-10 weeks in and yeah I just did blood everything in good range

 

[RockyP]

The tren is for 8-10 weeks its a 20 week cycle I'm swapping out the tren for npp 8-10 weeks in and yeah I just did blood everything in good range

My bad - misunderstood.

In that case, maybe the Mast then - personally I really like running Mast with tren or NPP. Helps with the sides from NPP (for me). The Tren and the NPP will be much more anabolic than the EQ (or Mast), but I do find that mast compliments NPP and Tren well (both 19-nor's). That said, I'm not an EQ guy.

But see what the other folks say.

 

[Loggg]

My bad - misunderstood.

In that case, maybe the Mast then - personally I really like running Mast with tren or NPP. Helps with the sides from NPP (for me). The Tren and the NPP will be much more anabolic than the EQ (or Mast), but I do find that mast compliments NPP and Tren well (both 19-nor's). That said, I'm not an EQ guy.

But see what the other folks say.

In which sides are you talking about and do you find mast tanks lipids hard? Never used it before

 

[RockyP]

In which sides are you talking about and do you find mast tanks lipids hard? Never used it before

The psychological and gyno sides (for me).

Re: Lipids, I'm very aggressive at managing LDL (take a statin and other meds), and again you will get lots of different stories from others, some saying that even 200 mast per week tanks their lipids, etc. I've found it to be dosage dependent. I don't run mast more than 350 - 400 / week, and my LDL doesn't move much (though again I'm on statin, etc.) - HDL is always going to be shit on cycle, and DHT's like Mast / Primo are known to drive it down (but so do most PEDs).

 

[Big3ths]

Eq doesn't crash e2 but it does scew E2 blood results showing its lower than what it really is so while eq you need a sensitive lc/ms-ms e2 test to see your true e2 on eq. Eq aromatizes slightly to estrone and estradiol analogs that are structurally similar to E2 but not identical. Hope that makes sense!

 

[beorn777]

Eq doesn't crash e2 but it does scew E2 blood results showing its lower than what it really is so while eq you need a sensitive lc/ms-ms e2 test to see your true e2 on eq. Eq aromatizes slightly to estrone and estradiol analogs that are structurally similar to E2 but not identical. Hope that makes sense!

Nah it definitely lowers estrogen, I have to run double the test to eq or my estrogen gets to low.

 

[Big3ths]

Eq does lower estrogen yes, but it doesn't crash it. It can act like ai like mast but definitely not to the extent of mast.
I was just explaining how EQ can cause false E2 readings on blood work to show it's lower than what it actually is.