Endurance Athlete

[Millard]

To enhance performance and not strictly recovery?

'Performance-enhancing drugs' is a misnomer. They are primarily recovery drugs for the most part. This is especially true of AAS and even EPO.

The performance enhancement comes from increasing training variables made possible by enhanced recovery.

Elite athletes don't take PEDs as a shortcut. They take them so they can train more train harder than everyone else.

 

[$BlackBeard]

@Millard Agree and that's why I wrote:

Enhanced performance means enhanced recovery.

Elite athletes don't take PEDs as a shortcut. They take them so they can train more train harder than everyone else.

Isn't this the Truth!

When I'm going through a big block of training, I spent the majority of my time on recovery, sleep, nutrition. The training may only be an hour at intensity during the day, 1-3 days/week. The remainder of the week may be 8-14hrs aerobic. I need the spend the rest of my day recovering for the next session.

What I want is something that will allow me to recover quicker.

What I have also noticed with a lot of data is that I am very often sick in March/April. This corresponds to me being through 70%-80% of my biggest training block (14-20hrs/week for 4months) for the year. I'd like to make this stop

 

[T&H]

A few thoughts of mine.

Legit Cardarine appears to assist cardiovascular endurance according to many logs ive read. I think the research shows it too though I would need to look again. I've taken it and it does help my breathing for sure, paces seem easier.

Meldonium was a big thing years ago and some claim it helps recovery. I bought a bunch on Amazon which came straight from the country that makes it. My experience is it did absolutely nothing at all.

I'll provide more later...

 

[Millard]

@Millard have you come across a protocol/set of principals that endurance athletes can follow to enhance performance? Or, what have you learned since you wrote this?

I haven't learned much myself, but I also haven't spent a lot of time on research yet.

• EPO is still best to use at 2000iu EOD or E3D prior to/during competition for O2 uptake,
• Anavar is a preferred oral for ligament/tendon health,
• Winstrol, despite it's history in athletics, is not preferred for the reason anavar is,
• Low dose Test 150mg-200mg/week can generally be a good starting point.

I really don't see much benefit from AAS other than testosterone. And even then, it is only to maintain upper limit of physiologic T levels and maybe slight supra physiologic.

Extreme endurance training is well known for suppressing endogenous testosterone production. Why not supplement to keep at optimal healthy levels?

Many other steroids like anavar and winstrol are not cardiovascular/pulmonary friendly. And that's what endurance performance is all about.

I don't think any pros use any AAS other than testosterone (micro dosing). This may be because of Anti-Doping but I still don't think they would use other AAS even if they could get away with it.

Of course, EPO type drugs are where it's at.

 

[$BlackBeard]

I'm using Cardarine now at 10mg a day and it appears to have no effects and all intensity levels (recovery through anaerobic). I've been on it a week. I have volumes of HR and Power data and can use the exact workouts and set ups that I can easily compare to.

I'm going to take the Cardarine up to 20mg/week in another week or so.

 

[Millard]

@Millard have you come across a protocol/set of principals that endurance athletes can follow to enhance performance? Or, what have you learned since you wrote this

Have you read Tyler Hamilton's book? It offered a small glimpse into details of what USPS pro team did.

Tyler Hamilton's Guide to Using Anabolic Steroids and EPO in Cycling - MESO-Rx

I met a guy who supplied a lot of elite and pros with PEDs several years Ago. He no longer does but I will see if I can reestablish comtact to see what's new

 

[$BlackBeard]

Extreme endurance training is well known for suppressing endogenous testosterone production. Why not supplement to keep at optimal healthy levels?

Anecdotally, I believe this to be true. When I get to the pointy end of my training, even with a week break now and then, I am dragging in everyday life. I know my immune system is suppressed and I would not be surprised to see my T levels low.

Of course, EPO type drugs are where it's at.

I have a family member who was instrumental is developing EPO. Not that matters to this discussion, but I will continue to look into this.

 

[$BlackBeard]

Have you read Tyler Hamilton's book? It offered a small glimpse into details of what USPS pro team did.

Tyler Hamilton's Guide to Using Anabolic Steroids and EPO in Cycling - MESO-Rx

I met a guy who supplied a lot of elite and pros with PEDs several years Ago. He no longer does but I will see if I can reestablish comtact to see what's new

I've read most of them but not this one. I've met and ridden with one of his old teammates, GH, and he is open about the whole topic. I believe there was specific EPO dosage mentioned in one of his depositions. Another item I'll have to dig up and include here.

I think reaching out to the person you know would be great and if he can provide any insights here, that would be fantastic. Possibly a QA for the front page?

 

[Millard]

I have a family member who was instrumental is developing EPO. Not that matters to this discussion, but I will continue to look into this.

I had a family member (actually my dog) who was prescribed Epogen for a couple of years. The pharmacist never thought there was anything odd about me picking it up all the time. Not that there was. Just that it never carried the same stigma as other PEDs.

 

[$BlackBeard]

That’s it! An Amgen product. Amgen who, coincidentally, sponsored the Tour of California up until this coming year.

I’ll have to work on getting this condensed into a separate endurance thread.

Thanks @Millard Baker for your input.

 

[Millard]

That’s it! An Amgen product. Amgen who, coincidentally, sponsored the Tour of California up until this coming year.

Amgen has been sponsoring the Tour of California for over a decade now. The story, as Amgen tells it, is that it is a good opportunity to educate cyclists about doping:

"Our opportunity is to educate cyclists that there is an appropriate way to use a drug, and doping in sport is not it… Our medicines were made because we want to treat grievous illnesses. They’re not for enhancing performance in sport." ---Amgen’s scientific director Dr. Steven Elliott​

Pharmaceutical Companies Sponsoring Pro Bodybuilding Contests? - MESO-Rx

 

[$BlackBeard]

Good piece @Millard. I’ve often used this example many times since they first sponsored the event. You wrote about it 11years ago! Kudos!