End of Primo for Me

[Sicsemptyran]

Bit of a topic that has been beat dead at this point but figured it would serve as a reminder for those who want something to work that occasionally there are compounds that simply don’t work for you.

Have always been interested in primo (stocked up on quite a bit back when it was available) and am about 6 weeks into trying for a 3rd time to work it into a regiment.

Unfortunately, as someone who already barely aromatizes (1800 TT on 200mg/test/wk puts me at 35-40E2 sensitive), it appears that any ratio of test to primo just does not work.

Currently running 500mg/test + 70mg of primo or a ~7:1 ratio, felt way too jittery/couldn’t sleep/shot libido - E2 came back at 11. Two days of some dbol and what do you know, feel like a million bucks.

Everything else looks perfect, but the low E2 is a horrible feeling for me and is the only thing that can get my BP over 115/65, so looks like that’s the end of the road for primo for me!

 

[atruse]

Why don’t you try injecting estradial?

There’s a thread on the cycle log of someone doing that right now.
And I’ll be starting a test/primo cycle next week with 1mg/wk estradial cypionate to keep e2 from crashing

 

[adrenalytic]

Tried running it with a wet compound? Or look into DHEA

 

[Sicsemptyran]

Why don’t you try injecting estradial?

Totally could find ways around it, more just lack of care to overcomplicate frankly.

Still at a point where I could likely accomplish the 95% of what I want to do with mostly just test and even when running abusive levels of test (and most other compounds besides primo..) my bloodwork/feels remain immaculate, so don’t think I’ll do that yet.

Few cycles down the line I may very well give it another go but not for now! I may also just try to leave it in at something ridiculous like 14mg a wk and see what that does over the next 6 weeks.

 

[Sicsemptyran]

Tried running it with a wet compound? Or look into DHEA

Have not yet! Other than to pull the rip cord the other day and throw in some dbol just to be able to sleep through the night/get some estrogen agonism.

Considered running another 10wks of HCG even though I just finished 10wk’s of HCG with my TRT heading into this, but similar to the suggestion of using estrogen I just felt there’s no need to overcomplicate just for the sake of using primo for primo’s sake.

 

[adrenalytic]

Have not yet! Other than to pull the rip cord the other day and throw in some dbol just to be able to sleep through the night/get some estrogen agonism.

Considered running another 10wks of HCG even though I just finished 10wk’s of HCG with my TRT heading into this, but similar to the suggestion of using estrogen I just felt there’s no need to overcomplicate just for the sake of using primo for primo’s sake.

I get that. Primo is great for the look it gives. Try DHB. I feel like I look amazing on it. Same dryness so you'll have some E2 lowering effect but just up your test to find a good balance and shouldn't be an issue.

It's also way more anabolic than primo.

 

[Methyl Mike]

Add dbol and you'll be happy.

 

[Sicsemptyran]

Add dbol and you'll be happy.

You are not wrong! Put in my original post that 2 days of dbol had me feeling like a million bucks.

 

[RockyP]

Todd Lee is smiling somewhere. Time to load up on masteron!

In all seriousness it’s great you realized this. There is NOTHING magical about primobolan and being a very low aromatizer is a super power.

 

[Eddie.]

Im kinda the same with EQ lately, running a very low dose just to say you run a second anabolic is dumb.

Although it saves me from trying to figure how much AI to take but honestly next off season i might try something like 1200-1500mg test solo. On cutting phase adding more compounds works well but for off season i doubt they do anything besides driving your e2 all over the place.

 

[Raiders789]

Hey bro, I'm the same as you - crazy low aromatizer and any ratio of test/primo ive tried zeroed my E2. Def feel you on the low E2, people don't talk abt how much having low estrogen sucks lmao

I just started a thread documenting my current test/primo/injectable E2 cycle. I've run a cycle with injectable estradiol before and it was absolutely great - it takes all the guesswork + dose titrating out so you don't have to worry about E2 management or side effects(as long as you know your natural E2 is zeroed). I've been more and more in favor of structuring my cycles like this, becuase it gives a lot more freedom to increase the dose of any AI-like steroid(primo, mast, eq) without worrying about E2 and lets that steroid be the driver of hypertrophy. I haven't tried this but using injectable E2 could let you run a nandrolone only cycle, I believe MPMD did a trial of hrt like that but used transdermal estrogen.

I've tried high test as well, which might be a lot more cost efficient, but anything above like 500 test and I get bad acne and face bloat. Not a dealbreaker but currently a few weeks in on 250test/500primo with IM E2 and have had zero of those sides with great gym progress. And I look a lot leaner/less bloated than I would on say 750 test. Also another weird thing I've noticed is that even on 750mg steroids/week, I'm not getting the "gear face" look - like looking older and the tougher facial skin + redness, which I'd attribute to the primo.

Unique Test/Primo/E2 Base Cycle + EO Experiment

 

[nathenking]

Bit of a topic that has been beat dead at this point but figured it would serve as a reminder for those who want something to work that occasionally there are compounds that simply don’t work for you.

Have always been interested in primo (stocked up on quite a bit back when it was available) and am about 6 weeks into trying for a 3rd time to work it into a regiment.

Unfortunately, as someone who already barely aromatizes (1800 TT on 200mg/test/wk puts me at 35-40E2 sensitive), it appears that any ratio of test to primo just does not work.

Currently running 500mg/test + 70mg of primo or a ~7:1 ratio, felt way too jittery/couldn’t sleep/shot libido - E2 came back at 11. Two days of some dbol and what do you know, feel like a million bucks.

Everything else looks perfect, but the low E2 is a horrible feeling for me and is the only thing that can get my BP over 115/65, so looks like that’s the end of the road for primo for me!

At least you know now and can move onto greener pastures! I do fine on EQ Mast Test and Primo. That is all I will run anymore over the age of 40

 

[VidMc]

Just leave it behind. There are plenty of other options

 

[Broccolihead]

U could always add in hcg or something that aromatizes but I don’t see the point of doing all that to run primo if u don’t even need the ai effects. Primo is also a really strong ai for me personally, I need to be on a lot of test or deca to even consider using it or it’s a crashed e2 speedrun.

 

[Nardicus69]

Are you sure what your using is primo and not EQ ??

Cause EQ is known to have more of a crashing effect on E2 than most people think. It could be possible you might of gotten EQ instead of primo.

Where did you get your primo from to confirm ?

 

[Sicsemptyran]

Are you sure what your using is primo and not EQ ??

Cause EQ is known to have more of a crashing effect on E2 than most people think. It could be possible you might of gotten EQ instead of primo.

Where did you get your primo from to confirm ?

This primo happens to be SP’s and Jano tested (by me).

I am currently down to up to 560mg test and down to 30mg primo just for giggles, going to run this for the next couple weeks and pull bloods to see what happens. At this point just doing it out of pure curiosity.

 

[Sicsemptyran]

So as I mentioned, as of about 20 days between tests (posted a bit after my last test) I swapped to a goofy 560 test, 30mg primo.

This is purely for the lolz, I would never run this again as there's no reason to be running that amount of primo "just cause" when I could use a minuscule dose of an AI, clearly primo does not work for me.

With 20 days separated, my E2 has gone up to a sky high... 21. Assuming the "higher" dose of 70mg/wk primo works its way out of my system the next couple of weeks I'll be curious if my E2 makes it up to 30pg.

Pulling a full lab panel in 10 days and will update, I'm curious if I also overreact to primo in tiny doses beyond the AI impact, for example whether it still impacts my HDL or SHBG even at 30mg/wk.

On just test, I can keep my HDL above 60 upwards of 400mg and above 55 through 500mg, so if it's below ~50 we'll know I just hyper respond to everything about primo.

For what it's worth, the cycle is going great! Feel great now, strength exploding, zero acne, blood pressure is borderline low, RHR of 50-52, no hair shedding, vascular as all hell, weight creeping up with no fluff. Only complaint is maybe slight sleep issues some nights waking up early, which I honestly think might be due to the still relatively low E2.

 

[Jron]

What I find interesting is in the early 2000's it was common to see guys sharing their cycles of low test high primo and complaints of low E2 wasn't really common. Now, alls I see is guys saying 1:1 or 2:1 test primo ratio kills their E2.

What is different with primo from early 2000's to today? I remember seeing guys saying they were doing 300 test and 1gram primo and making good gains.

I do 1:1 test primo ratio and my e2 is like 29.7. Toss in some HCG at 1000 IU a week to bump e2 up abit more and should be good to go I'd imagine.

 

[Sicsemptyran]

What I find interesting is in the early 2000's it was common to see guys sharing their cycles of low test high primo and complaints of low E2 wasn't really common. Now, alls I see is guys saying 1:1 or 2:1 test primo ratio kills their E2.

What is different with primo from early 2000's to today? I remember seeing guys saying they were doing 300 test and 1gram primo and making good gains.

I do 1:1 test primo ratio and my e2 is like 29.7. Toss in some HCG at 1000 IU a week to bump e2 up abit more and should be good to go I'd imagine.

I wonder the same thing honestly. Not sure whether it was just a lot of primo faked with mast, guys throwing in dbol a lot more, or just not being wusses.

When I tried running test-primo 2:1 I ended up with a sensitive E2 that was essentially undetectable, haha. Was the first time I ever had blood pressure I couldn't control.

Definitely think some people also don't have noticeable side effects from low/high E2 and very well might be able to just cruise with no E2 and not notice it. For me, I've never had a single high E2 symptom but if I go lower than ~15 E2 my blood pressure skyrockets like clockwork.