Dr Todd Lee - what do you think?

[RockyP]

Yeah Robin usually takes a gram of primo,this dude really likes it. Basically he mostly uses high test high primo in all of his cycles and then probably add some tren deeper in prep (my guess).

In one earlier episode when Nasty Nate was there they asked him what he was running at the moment and he casually replied 1,5 grams test E and 1 gram Tren E and they were baffled lol.

I really like that pod, and I appreciate how transparent they are. Very under-rated content. I think Nate said that his bloodwork really doesn't get too fucked up so he just goes with it. Must be nice...

I was surprised to see how popular NPP was amongst them. Not for any other reason besides you hear a lot about guys moving away from nandrolone these days. No idea why. if you tolerate it, it's fuckin awesome. But that's a big IF for lots of folks.

And yea the high test with high primo (or EQ) for most of a cut / prep and then adding in tren at the end + / - orals makes a lot of sense to me.

 

[newguy2]

The funny thing is that a lot of pro's use masteron (obviously) both off season and precontest but they (pro's over 200 lbs - and closer to 300+ lbs) use it totally differently (go figure!). I've said it before but his method of 300 - 400 test and then 600+ Masteron MIGHT make sense if you are cutting and intolerant of tren. But if you watch podcasts from J3U, Canadian Beef, Anabolic Bodybuilding, etc. everyone is running mast with HIGH test. That is, test is higher than mast, and mast is usually the third compound in there. There was a Canadian Beef pod where all these massive fuckers were taking the same shit. 600 - 1500 mg test, 400 NPP, and 500 - 1000 mast (and I think one was taking a gram of primo instead of mast). Again, mast is a great compound, but this idiot has managed to find a way to fuck it up.

Thank you never heard of Canadian beef. Need some new content.

 

[RockyP]

Thank you never heard of Canadian beef. Need some new content.

It's pretty good. And these guys are all massive, 300+ in off season. They do not push reckless gear usage (quite the opposite), but they are honest about what they do. Same with the guests they have on.

 

[professionaldyel]

I was surprised to see how popular NPP was amongst them. Not for any other reason besides you hear a lot about guys moving away from nandrolone these days. No idea why. if you tolerate it, it's fuckin awesome. But that's a big IF for lots of folks.

because of the safer use model and i think it was a singular? or maybe 3? studies saying its bad for LVH and your veins. Test/EQ/NPP as far as I can tell from researching forums/podcasts it was ultra popular for everyone chasing a pro card.



Also just a theory here, mast sucks as an anabolic to the point where you have to take a lot of it for it to do **something** noticeable. Its obvious its a great cosmetic drug.

 

[Irish28]

I've actually had a conversation with him before. He really did scare me away from steroids because I think he has some very real mental health issues. He was anxious, like wigging out, explosive, then he finally got high and calmed down. but I was like holy shit, this guy literally is a commercial for why not to do steroids. It was a lot like talking to crack head or meth addict. He tries to play it off on Youtube like that's just like his brand or style, but what you find out when you meet him is he actually cannot control himself.

If he is on only a "TRT" dose or testosterone and the rest of his stack is built up of safer compounds....why on earth do you think he's acting like this?

 

[Irish28]

What information do you find informative? take as much test as you can tolerate WITHOUT AI and filling in the gaps for total milligrams is not new. His big argument is Masteron is the best anabolic (clearly not because no one successful uses it as their main) because you want maximum conversion of IGF1 from estrogen and your GH.

He literally uploaded a bloodwork video where his bloodwork was bad/the same as people using other AAS and he said he didnt do things properly the night before so its skewed.

hes a pro no one can take that away from him but hes a MASTERS pro. If you keep up with his recent competitions, for someone who try hards to the max hes placing last and way outside the top 5.

Do you disagree with his basic protocol of running testosterone as high as possible (before hitting side effects)
And then from there you just add other compounds?

 

[Irish28]

The funny thing is that a lot of pro's use masteron (obviously) both off season and precontest but they (pro's over 200 lbs - and closer to 300+ lbs) use it totally differently (go figure!). I've said it before but his method of 300 - 400 test and then 600+ Masteron MIGHT make sense if you are cutting and intolerant of tren. But if you watch podcasts from J3U, Canadian Beef, Anabolic Bodybuilding, etc. everyone is running mast with HIGH test. That is, test is higher than mast, and mast is usually the third compound in there. There was a Canadian Beef pod where all these massive fuckers were taking the same shit. 600 - 1500 mg test, 400 NPP, and 500 - 1000 mast (and I think one was taking a gram of primo instead of mast). Again, mast is a great compound, but this idiot has managed to find a way to fuck it up.

I've been waiting to hear someone point me in the right direction with what podcasts to listen to, seasoned veterans to watch and some overview of the compounds /doses they are most likely to talk about.

Appreciate your input man

 

[Irish28]

I have repeatedly heard Dr Todd Lee say the following

"Testosterone is a sex hormone and not a primary anabolic steroid and shouldn't be used /viewed as such"

Why are guys then running 500mg right up to a few grams of it?
If it's purely a sex hormone?

 

[professionaldyel]

Do you disagree with his basic protocol of running testosterone as high as possible (before hitting side effects)
And then from there you just add other compounds?

no sane person would disagree with that the problem is everything else stated in the post you're quoting

 

[Eddie.]

I have repeatedly heard Dr Todd Lee say the following

"Testosterone is a sex hormone and not a primary anabolic steroid and shouldn't be used /viewed as such"

Why are guys then running 500mg right up to a few grams of it?
If it's purely a sex hormone?

Oh well, another horseshit coming out from his mouth. If this is true why then can someone easily build an impressive physique while only using Testosterone?

Also, if test is only a sex hormone and it shouldn’t be used to drive anabolism, that means it’s the same for its derivatives like EQ, dbol and the rest?

Man, I know you want to extend your knowledge about gear but I just don’t understand why would someone take notes from one of the worst and not the other way? Just look up his progress and physique, is that impressive or appealing to you?

And as far as genetics I can hear it, he maybe have the worst genetics in the world. If I’m not mistaken though, he is coaching too, right? Does he have any impressive athletes? Any before and after transformations to see in real life how his dumb protocols reflect to others?Just curious.

 

[RockyP]

I’ve tried hard to give Todd the benefit of the doubt but over and over again he spouts total nonsense. Here’s one thing he says that I agree with. He tells lifestyle clients / recreational lifters / people looking for fat loss to skip steroids and just do HRT / GH / GLP-1. That I can get on board with. I’ve seen some really overweight dudes with minimal muscle mass running impressive “cutting cycles” (using tren, anavar, mast) where all they needed was a diet.

 

[Stealth500]

I’ve tried hard to give Todd the benefit of the doubt but over and over again he spouts total nonsense. Here’s one thing he says that I agree with. He tells lifestyle clients / recreational lifters / people looking for fat loss to skip steroids and just do HRT / GH / GLP-1. That I can get on board with. I’ve seen some really overweight dudes with minimal muscle mass running impressive “cutting cycles” (using tren, anavar, mast) where all they needed was a diet.

Yeah but this is logical thought process. You didn't need a professional to tell you that. Just like you don't need a doctor to tell you Tylenol is a safer choice than heroin for a headache.

 

[verb]

I have repeatedly heard Dr Todd Lee say the following

"Testosterone is a sex hormone and not a primary anabolic steroid and shouldn't be used /viewed as such"

Why are guys then running 500mg right up to a few grams of it?
If it's purely a sex hormone?

Most of what Todd says is geared towards the lowest denominator of mental capacity. He says what he says to reduce the amount of thinking required as much as possible.

You graduate from the steroid gurus when you realize you need to figure out what works for you and not listen to what people on YouTube say. Test compounds for yourself in smart increments and get blood work. No point listening to someone saying primo is an AI if you use it and it doesn’t lower your e2 in your blood.

 

[Jeffholio5]

Todd also says contrarian things because it drives views. I don’t think he really believes a lot of the dumb shit he says because looking at him he doesn’t look like someone who runs the gear he recommends. He hates on primo because every other influencer and sane person likes it. It gives him a niche to be in and makes people curious why he has an alternate opinion.

 

[RockyP]

Im pretty sure he’s wearing eye makeup in his most recent vids / reels.


View: https://youtube.com/shorts/EJfF2Bzwn-A?si=3DfMuS4WkGXo64c3

 

[Jeffholio5]

Im pretty sure he’s wearing eye makeup in his most recent vids / reels.


View: https://youtube.com/shorts/EJfF2Bzwn-A?si=3DfMuS4WkGXo64c3

It looks like it or a filter I’m not an expert on either but it’s definitely a weird look

 

[Irish28]

Oh well, another horseshit coming out from his mouth. If this is true why then can someone easily build an impressive physique while only using Testosterone?

Also, if test is only a sex hormone and it shouldn’t be used to drive anabolism, that means it’s the same for its derivatives like EQ, dbol and the rest?

Man, I know you want to extend your knowledge about gear but I just don’t understand why would someone take notes from one of the worst and not the other way? Just look up his progress and physique, is that impressive or appealing to you?

And as far as genetics I can hear it, he maybe have the worst genetics in the world. If I’m not mistaken though, he is coaching too, right? Does he have any impressive athletes? Any before and after transformations to see in real life how his dumb protocols reflect to others?Just curious.

I'm hearing more and more fellas who have been in the game for decades saying "just stick with test" at least until you have a significant amount of muscle as a base.

Im starting to come full circle to what I heard in the gyms 20years ago
Test , some deca and maybe the occasional oral is all to you will ever need

 

[RockyP]

I'm hearing more and more fellas who have been in the game for decades saying "just stick with test" at least until you have a significant amount of muscle as a base.

Im starting to come full circle to what I heard in the gyms 20years ago
Test , some deca and maybe the occasional oral is all to you will ever need

Mast is helpful when cutting but not in the way Todd instructs people to use it. Def don’t need it but it’s a nice addition to keep you dry / hard. Most of us don’t need Tren but it’s pretty awesome if you tolerate it. It for growing I think test with E2 control and a mild anabolic you tolerate is all you’ll ever need. And GH. Simplest would be test and Eq. Get the estrogen control and extra anabolism from the Eq. Cheap and effective

 

[juicebro]

Most of us made incredible gains using test only as our first cycle. That's all you really need to know IMO. Whenever I try running test lower than other compounds something ends up fucked...whether it's my libido, being flat or just feeling like shit. High test for me forever.

 

[Liter O' Test]

Robin is legit af. totally underrated dude, his training videos are top notch, I actually pick up a lot of tips from them, on a different level than other peoples training videos