Dr Todd Lee - what do you think?

Interesting study on masteron (from ChatGPT):
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Key Takeaways from the 1977 Trams Study:

Study Title:
“Effect of Drostanolone Propionate on the Binding of Oestradiol and Dihydrotestosterone by Normal and Malignant Target Tissues”
(Eur J Cancer, 1977, DOI: 10.1016/0014-2964(77)90193-1)


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What They Found:

✅ Drostanolone competes at androgen receptors.

It binds to androgen receptor (AR) sites, displacing DHT.

This is how it likely exerts anti-proliferative effects in androgen-sensitive tissues.


❌ Drostanolone does not bind to estrogen receptors.

In both human breast cancer tissue and calf uterus:

No displacement of estradiol from estrogen receptor (ER).

Even with a 1000-fold excess of drostanolone, ER binding of estradiol remained unchanged.


Anti-cancer effect ≠ estrogen suppression.

This rules out the idea that its action is due to “lowering estrogen” or directly blocking E2 binding.

It likely works via androgen receptor signaling and potentially inhibition of prolactin (as mentioned in some rat data).

The study I attached also says that drostanalone works via the drug itself not it's metabolites.

Vigorous Steve's latest video talks about how in studies at high doses it didn't raise HCT in patients with anemia.

Anecdotally (again) I got my PSA checked after running 400mg of drostanalone for 6 weeks. Unfortunately I have no baseline reading.

Total PSA (Alinity) 0.26ug/L (0.25-2.10) Free PSA 0.1 ug/L
Free/Total ratio 39% (> 24)

I mean given all this drostalone should be relatively safe if it's anabolic due to not interfering with ER and displacing DHT.
 
No disrespect but your overall premise is wrong lol.

These compounds were created and released to provide the benefits of androgen therapy, without virilization to the androgen sensitive. Not to be as anabolic as testosterone. Most of these drugs were released to treat breast cancer, not get the broads jacked af.

Also, I tried masteron in high doses using the same protocol with primo and with eq. Both primo and eq had noticeable effects while the mast didnt. After 20 weeks I should be able to see some progress bud. Sorry.
Treid something like that too... 125mg test and about 1g of mast. Bled strength like I was on a low dose TRT (I'm tall and about 105kg).

Mood enhancer, visual enhancer and overall feel good drug, sure. I'd take it if was free. But not a mass or strength builder.
 
Treid something like that too... 125mg test and about 1g of mast. Bled strength like I was on a low dose TRT (I'm tall and about 105kg).

Mood enhancer, visual enhancer and overall feel good drug, sure. I'd take it if was free. But not a mass or strength builder.
I'm not arguing with you guys. I'd just like to add that if masteron is a "dry" compound it won't add glycogen into the muscle.

If that's the case you won't get the hydraulic effects that make you stronger as well (like water or glycogen retention). It doesn't matter if you add 100mg or 1000mg if it doesn't effect that pathway you won't get any of that effect.

However if it has the androgen receptor binding only you should accrue lean tissue at the same rate. Apparently this is a slow process with pro bodybuilders only adding a bit per year.

Or am I missing something here?

Dbol/anadrol makes everyone think they got huge due to cell volumisation and fluid retention. But when they come off...
 
I'm not arguing with you guys. I'd just like to add that if masteron is a "dry" compound it won't add glycogen into the muscle.

If that's the case you won't get the hydraulic effects that make you stronger as well (like water or glycogen retention). It doesn't matter if you add 100mg or 1000mg if it doesn't effect that pathway you won't get any of that effect.

However if it has the androgen receptor binding only you should accrue lean tissue at the same rate. Apparently this is a slow process with pro bodybuilders only adding a bit per year.

Or am I missing something here?

Dbol/anadrol makes everyone think they got huge due to cell volumisation and fluid retention. But when they come off...

I didn't gain any extra strength during this 4-5 month period. My lifts just kept getting weaker. And I was on a low dose of test to start with before I added mast.

Maybe I just wasn't a responder, I dunno. But even an ultra low dose of anavar or anadrol hits me so hard I can barely even walk or lift due to the pumps.
 
I didn't gain any extra strength during this 4-5 month period. My lifts just kept getting weaker. And I was on a low dose of test to start with before I added mast.

Maybe I just wasn't a responder, I dunno. But even an ultra low dose of anavar or anadrol hits me so hard I can barely even walk or lift due to the pumps.
I wanna give it a try for a few months solo and collect as much data as I can. I tried anadrol at 50mg a day and got ridiculous skin splitting pumps from it.

Even while at work just doing my normal job I'd get pumps in my arms. Crazy stuff.

Like I said IF masteron is anabolic it seems to be AR mediated only. But maybe there's something going on where it works for some people and not for others.

The same debate goes on with HGH which is obviously anabolic when used with steroids and insulin.
 
I wanna give it a try for a few months solo and collect as much data as I can. I tried anadrol at 50mg a day and got ridiculous skin splitting pumps from it.
But no one makes it anymore. No pharma and even if there was, you'd need so much it would cost hundreds a month. QSC Tracy would sell it fairly cheap but that's gone now.

> tried anadrol at 50mg a day and got ridiculous skin splitting pumps from it.

Sounds pathetic but trying anadrol for the first few times was probably some of the best experiences of my entire life. I felt absolutely amazing.
 
But no one makes it anymore. No pharma and even if there was, you'd need so much it would cost hundreds a month. QSC Tracy would sell it fairly cheap but that's gone now.

> tried anadrol at 50mg a day and got ridiculous skin splitting pumps from it.

Sounds pathetic but trying anadrol for the first few times was probably some of the best experiences of my entire life. I felt absolutely amazing.
I got some before it all sold out. I'll only run 175mg a week of it.

If it does anything then that will be enough to see. I don't see myself doing big cycles ever again. Just TRT with the odd experiment here and there.
 
But no one makes it anymore. No pharma and even if there was, you'd need so much it would cost hundreds a month. QSC Tracy would sell it fairly cheap but that's gone now.

> tried anadrol at 50mg a day and got ridiculous skin splitting pumps from it.

Sounds pathetic but trying anadrol for the first few times was probably some of the best experiences of my entire life. I felt absolutely amazing.
Nobody makes what anymore
 
I would just update two things. A full vial of HGH daily? I've got 40iu vials from qsc. That would be nuts. I don't anyone needs to go over 18iu. Since I just do this for fun I'd probably never go over 6-10iu personally

Exemestane over arimidex. Exemestane is a much newer drug. Arimidex weakens bones by decreasing bone mineral density and causes micro fractures that can lead to bigger ones. Exemestane is bone anabolic and an androgen. Exemestane is better for hair loss. Hair loss was 2.5x greater on arimidex vs no drug. Exemestane also doesn't effect igf1 significantly but arimidex does lower igf1
Damn I didn’t no arimidex lowers igf1. I’m currently using .25mg every 3rd day. On 400mg test. What is the equivalent of aromasin, 12.5? I’m on 4iu hgh, I guess the arimidex is making that kind of a waste smh
 
Could be an indirect effect of lowering E2
Got it. Makes sense I just watched some John Jewett shit. Forgot estrogen helps with igf1 to a certain point. I have aromasin on hand. Never tried it before. Was thinking about trying that at 12.5 e3d instead of the .25 arimidex
 
From a health perspective he's probably onto something but from a competitive bodybuilding aspect I think he falls flat on his protocols.
I would agree. I think the stuff hes right about hes very right about, but thats not the majority of his opinions lol
 
Hes one of the many sources I listen to.

I then triangulate all the information I hear, square it up with what I have experienced myself, and then decide how to classify what im listening to.

For Dr Todd Lee, I listen to him when Im driving across town, picking up a pizza and I just want to hear someone talk about roids but I dont put a ton of stock in what he says.

Also, he's 10x more jacked than I will ever be
 
Got it. Makes sense I just watched some John Jewett shit. Forgot estrogen helps with igf1 to a certain point. I have aromasin on hand. Never tried it before. Was thinking about trying that at 12.5 e3d instead of the .25 arimidex

A lot of this shit is so individualistic

If you really want to get to the bottom of it, on what you're currently doing, plan on a lot of blood testing

Very inconvenient
 
arimidex lowers E2 ---> lowers conversion of gh to IGF ---> lower IGF

But, serum IGF is a pretty irrelevant marker beyond testing if your GH is legit.
uhhh okay im still right it depends how low you lower your estrogen

if your estrogen is 200 and you lower it to 90 its not gonna lower your igf-1
 
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