dick_starbuck
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Exactly this.
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Dr Todd Lee - what do you think?
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Yes, that's my point although I did not elaborate it in the best way.
xrayphoton13
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The ones where he argues with chatgpt about steroids always make me laugh
I like Todd Lee and I think he actually has a lot of good advice but you can't take anybody's advice for gospel because everybody's a little bit different. Plus I like to experiment with different things to see how my body reacts and how I react but I think he does bring awareness of things you could look for it never hurts to be informed. My experience is you got to listen to a bunch of these guys and sift through all the stuff and figure out what sticks for you
I mean I think you could try just about anything as long as you start out low and slow and then build just see how it works for you there's a lot of things to watch but sometimes you can get very complicated. To be honest I'm new at the boards but I can see a lot of guys that are also new throwing out these crazy numbers like more compounds is going to give them more not muscle I think that's a little dangerous don't you think
I think compounds are the least important and they just enhance if you have everything else down, I mean I think getting your workouts rest and nutrition is not easy getting that dialed in that could take a long time well it did for me anyways
I mean I think you could try just about anything as long as you start out low and slow and then build just see how it works for you there's a lot of things to watch but sometimes you can get very complicated. To be honest I'm new at the boards but I can see a lot of guys that are also new throwing out these crazy numbers like more compounds is going to give them more not muscle I think that's a little dangerous don't you think
I think compounds are the least important and they just enhance if you have everything else down, I mean I think getting your workouts rest and nutrition is not easy getting that dialed in that could take a long time well it did for me anyways
"Why does this guy who is supposedly very well educated around the science here getting the science wrong?"
"Because he only relies on the science and doesn't apply practical bodybuilding experience."
Him getting this wrong is exactly proof that he isn't relying enough on the actual science, not the other way around.
just some dude
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jfl dude, yeah because then you become diabetic and then you have to go to him to get more drugs.
Thanks for the detailed answer man. Can I ask what protocol you were on before you started the one you posted?
I'm currently only on 90mg of test cyp a week (trt from a Dr ) and have started 2iu hgh before bed a few weeks ago
Oh man I remember reading "cycling for pennies" what seems like a lifetime ago lol
I can't honestly remember what Dante prescribed but I remember it was simple and basic and he was a monster advocate for food food food
In a previous life over a decade ago I was on a hefty regiment of gear, health was not a priority in hindsight. Have been away for close a decade. Recently starting back up.
Hence the low starting point to ease myself back into the ‘lifestyle’ with a greater leaning towards health markers and generally not feeling like shit with an overload of gear in my system. Everyone’s priorities and mileage will vary.
Just had bloods drawn recently, waiting on results and intend to double masteron and continue increasing based on:
- weight doesn’t go up
- strength stagnates
- weight goes up but I’m just getting fatter
Rinse and repeat. All the best with your protocol, imo take it slow and easy, enjoy the progress as the goals will always shift the closer you arrive to them, like a mirage.
Vigorous Steve ran out of clinical data on drostanolone so he spent half of the video deriving from DHT studies which doesnt make sense. DHT derivates and DHT behave differently, its like red wine vs red wine vinegar.
In his latest roundtable video, he said he found the patent studies on animal models for drostanolone that shows its quite anabolic. He’ll run a dive on it soon, hes likely referencing this: US3991750A - Dromostanolone propionate implant pellet useful for producing weight gains in animals and suppressing estrus in female animals - Google Patents
i think people contlate muscle gain with the intracellular water retention from wet compounds. However I do agree that mast or primo hasnt been supremely anabolic for me. Mast has improved my mood and lifts for sure. Primo not even that. I have better results from Anavar.
Test is the main driver tor growth. GH for recovery, metabolic changes by prioritizing lipid metabolism and just cosmetic changes and then a hint of other non atomatizing anabolics to achieve a certain look.
Id rather use more testosterone than bring in deca.
Eddie.
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Why is this bad? Calm down, you know at least your mast isn't primo lol. Mast doesn't reduce e2. I'm taking 50mg aromasin a week for 500 test 500 mast.
Lol, im guessing my e2 would be crushed if it was! So what does this mean? The masteron wasn’t truly mast?
Eddie.
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It means your mast is mast and falsely you've read somewhere that mast reduces e2. Mast only prevents the symptoms like bloating and gyno but actual estradiol goes as high from test as if it wasn't any masteron in place.
How much test and how much mast are you taking?
What about very low dose deca for us older fellas (40+) who want to use it for joint health?
Thanks Eddie for the reply’s.
I’m on:
I’m currently on:
- 175mg test enanthate per week
- 210 mg masteron enanthate per week
- 2iu gh before bed (first rodeo with gh ever)
The goal was to find out how much test I can use without needing an AI.
I could drop it down to say 100mg and see if it makes a difference. Wasn’t expecting it to be so high maybe I’m more Estrogen sensitive?
Eddie.
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Wow I'd expect that e2 to be from 500mg test, that's definitely very high for 175mg. Do you take any other compound which could affect estrogen levels? Like DHEA or HCG. What's your stats? If you have a big amount of bodyfat it could be the culprit.
If nothing of the above is correct then you're simply a high aromatizer or your masteron is actually testosterone.
dick_starbuck
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Just take an ai lol.
What is your bodyfat percentage? Usually bodyfat and estrogen are correlated.
Exactly brother, this is what has me so concerned. The only gear is the above listed. Nothing else at all except fish oil and a multivitamin. Yes my body fat is higher b/w 15-20 percent. I still wouldn’t expect the Estrogen do be so high.
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