Dr Todd Lee - what do you think?

[Irish28]

These days, people tend to overcomplicate everything:

• Administer the highest tolerable dose of HGH from the very first cycle — yes, even generics. A full vial daily is ideal; none of that diluted 3–6 IU nonsense.
• Begin with 250mg of Test E and incrementally increase the dosage only when progress begins to plateau.
• Once your testosterone dosage approaches the 1g threshold, consider introducing compounds such as Equipoise or Primobolan.
• Conduct comprehensive blood work every four weeks, and incorporate Arimidex if estrogen levels require regulation.

Frankly, the pharmacology of performance enhancement is remarkably straightforward, it only becomes complicated when misinformation prevails.

Anyone advising you to run low testosterone is simply uninformed and should not be taken seriously.

Thanks for input mate....you touched exactly on what I was trying to get at "surely the pharmacy side of things should be relatively basic and easy to follow for EVERYONE"

which is what I thought I found with listening to Dr Todds basic approach.

Appreciate the input man thank you

 

[Irish28]

I wouldn't consider it only because he has mentioned in his other thread that his baseline IGF-1 is 250, which i think it's quite impressive for 43 yo.

I guess I was trying to get some advise on what levels are "optimal"

Google spots out generic info

Young Adults (19-30 years): 108-384 ng/mL (females), 116-410 ng/mL (males)

Middle Age (30-60 years): 60-308 ng/mL (females), 60-308 ng/mL (males


And so I'm thinking we'll....if I want to feel young and healthy again do I aim for the igf-1 level of my body in its mid 20s? Which is ,100ng MORE than what I'm sitting at now?

 

[Irish28]

It's entirely misleading, and I would recommend directing your time and attention toward more credible educators.

If you have any names or podcasts or channels that you could point me towards I would appreciate it.

 

[Irish28]

Yes i won't argue on this because there's always outliers. I've seen ppl on 1gr test only no AI and e2 of 40 but 99% of people won't need AI on ~140mg test if the rest of boxes are in check.



For myself i haven't tried to go that low but with 200 i had 930ng/dl so i guess with 125-140 I'd have 500-600 which i don't think it's optimal.

Although i believe when we talk about TRT and not cruise phase or whatever, it would be great if at some point as a community start talking about ng/dl instead of milligrams. We could all agree on a certain range, which in the end translates to different dosage for each one.



I definitely agree

This was my bloods from 150mg a week....broken into 50mg Monday wed Fri

Total Testosterone 35nmol (1000ng??)
Free Testosterone 1141 pmol
Shbg 17nmol
Oestradiol 202 pmol

Because upper reference range for e2 is 200pmol
My Dr immediately cut my dose....despite me feeling great.

 

[dick_starbuck]

These days, people tend to overcomplicate everything:

• Administer the highest tolerable dose of HGH from the very first cycle — yes, even generics. A full vial daily is ideal; none of that diluted 3–6 IU nonsense.
• Begin with 250mg of Test E and incrementally increase the dosage only when progress begins to plateau.
• Once your testosterone dosage approaches the 1g threshold, consider introducing compounds such as Equipoise or Primobolan.
• Conduct comprehensive blood work every four weeks, and incorporate Arimidex if estrogen levels require regulation.

Frankly, the pharmacology of performance enhancement is remarkably straightforward, it only becomes complicated when misinformation prevails.

Anyone advising you to run low testosterone is simply uninformed and should not be taken seriously.

This is under rated advice tbh.

 

[Eddie.]

I guess I was trying to get some advise on what levels are "optimal"

Google spots out generic info

Young Adults (19-30 years): 108-384 ng/mL (females), 116-410 ng/mL (males)

Middle Age (30-60 years): 60-308 ng/mL (females), 60-308 ng/mL (males


And so I'm thinking we'll....if I want to feel young and healthy again do I aim for the igf-1 level of my body in its mid 20s? Which is ,100ng MORE than what I'm sitting at now?

Unfortunately I can’t give any opinion on that because I don’t know what optimal levels are. I believe there’s more detailed levels including age increments by 5 or 10 years. The scheme you posted seems a tad vague. From the little I know, 250 is a good baseline for over 30yo.

Now, would you feel better with a 100ng more? No one knows except you if you try it. I don’t “feel” anything from HGH.

When someone has pretty low IGF and HGH levels by adding exogenous HGH sure it makes things better in all aspects. If you have normal-high levels and you exceed them by adding exogenous HGH you actually reverse its potential benefits. With simple words, high IGF levels will age you faster.

 

[verb]

Great for lifestyle coaching. Ignores the insulin resistance profile of GH(saying its a myth only because bodybuilders carb load in the offseason). He had the whole “willpower” stance on GLPs for the longest but recently incorporated low dose reta.

Otherwise HRT test that puts your estrogen in range to maximize IGF from GH, not more not less and then utilizing mast e to add to your total anabolic load is perhaps the safest lifestyle anabolic use model.

People want to run orals and prep cycle compounds year round so theyre not happy with his safe use mantra. Plenty of bodybuilders who look better than him use test and mast exclusively in the offseason and use the other stuff on peaking. Its nothing new. How you look is largely genetiic.

Even Brian Johnson got blood sugar level issues from GH and he eats like a rabbit

 

[verb]

From what I can understand from his videos he recommends the TRT test, HGH and masteron due to the lack of ancillaries needed.

That's why he doesn't like EQ or Decca because each compound makes it more difficult to manage.

There seemed to be some contention between primobolan vs masteron. His idea was that masteron is resistant to 3a reductase so is an anabolic DHT. Whereas primobolan is an anti estrogen which complicates dosing and side effect control. So in his mind at least it's a relatively sid effect free anabolic.

I can see where he is coming from in a mass treatment approach that simplifies dosing by removing possible side effects of other compounds. (High/Low E2, prolactin, progesterone activity, erythropoesis etc)

That's my understanding after watching quite a few of his videos.

I think he oversimplifies the “potency vs. efficacy” debate. At a certain point, the side effects you get from potent steroids are just side effects from having high androgens and benign anabolic. Most of the side effects that come from tren are just a virtue of it being extremely effective.

Trensomnia, for example, is a side effect of having your CNS ramped up. Having your CNS ramped up also makes you stronger which means heavier weights lifted and eventually more muscle. If you wanted to match masteron to tren at equivalent muscle-building doses, you’d have to run masteron at a high enough dose that your CNS is ramped up to the level of tren. Now you’ll also have issues sleeping issues with masteron.

The reason he can run grams of masteron with little side effects is because masteron isn’t that effective to begin with. It’s the same reason you can use hundreds of mgs of caffeine with no side effects but not cocaine. But if you wanted to use enough caffeine to match a regular dose of cocaine, you’d run into the same side effects as cocaine (heart issues etc)

 

[explodingHeart]

I think he oversimplifies the “potency vs. efficacy” debate. At a certain point, the side effects you get from potent steroids are just side effects from having high androgens and benign anabolic. Most of the side effects that come from tren are just a virtue of it being extremely effective.

Trensomnia, for example, is a side effect of having your CNS ramped up. Having your CNS ramped up also makes you stronger which means heavier weights lifted and eventually more muscle. If you wanted to match masteron to tren at equivalent muscle-building doses, you’d have to run masteron at a high enough dose that your CNS is ramped up to the level of tren. Now you’ll also have issues sleeping issues with masteron.

The reason he can run grams of masteron with little side effects is because masteron isn’t that effective to begin with. It’s the same reason you can use hundreds of mgs of caffeine with no side effects but not cocaine. But if you wanted to use enough caffeine to match a regular dose of cocaine, you’d run into the same side effects as cocaine (heart issues etc)

Agree. I ran TRT (about 125mg test) + 800mg of mast for 3-4 months and got less from it than I do with 250mg test alone.

At first I thought I looked great. Face looked more healthy and natural. Muscles held slightly less water. Then I realized it was because I basically was close to natty at that point as my strength bled out.

 

[bananafeet]

Ye

I think he oversimplifies the “potency vs. efficacy” debate. At a certain point, the side effects you get from potent steroids are just side effects from having high androgens and benign anabolic. Most of the side effects that come from tren are just a virtue of it being extremely effective.

Trensomnia, for example, is a side effect of having your CNS ramped up. Having your CNS ramped up also makes you stronger which means heavier weights lifted and eventually more muscle. If you wanted to match masteron to tren at equivalent muscle-building doses, you’d have to run masteron at a high enough dose that your CNS is ramped up to the level of tren. Now you’ll also have issues sleeping issues with masteron.

The reason he can run grams of masteron with little side effects is because masteron isn’t that effective to begin with. It’s the same reason you can use hundreds of mgs of caffeine with no side effects but not cocaine. But if you wanted to use enough caffeine to match a regular dose of cocaine, you’d run into the same side effects as cocaine (heart issues etc)

Yeah I don't know man. The more I look into this stuff the less confident I am.

I've tried masteron at 400mg per week and I wasn't that impressed. I found 12mg tren ace per day much more impressive.

It's also why I'm hesitant about primobolan because to get gains from it you have to run it so high which goes back to the original question of would microdosing tren be better or even a moderate dose of Decca...

 

[wp_375]

I watched a video with Kurt Havens, Paul Barnett and Todd Lee all discussing Dbol I think. Kurt and Paul were great whereas any time Todd opened his mouth I wanted him to shut up. He literally contributed nothing to a 30 minute video except random tangents that forced Kurt to interrupt him and get them back on track for what they were talking about. It was embarrassing.

After that I had no interest in ever watching his channel.

 

[dick_starbuck]

I watched a video with Kurt Havens, Paul Barnett and Todd Lee all discussing Dbol I think. Kurt and Paul were great whereas any time Todd opened his mouth I wanted him to shut up. He literally contributed nothing to a 30 minute video except random tangents that forced Kurt to interrupt him and get them back on track for what they were talking about. It was embarrassing.

After that I had no interest in ever watching his channel.

Kurt is also a loser who steals all his content from @Type-IIx and just makes stuff up.

They are all good for entertainment and nothing more.

 

[wp_375]

Kurt is also a loser who steals all his content from @Type-IIx and just makes stuff up.

They are all good for entertainment and nothing more.

Dudes coming to the same conclusions from the same pool of clinical data and studies means one is stealing from the other? LOL

 

[dick_starbuck]

Dudes coming to the same conclusions from the same pool of clinical data and studies means one is stealing from the other? LOL

He quite literally got caught plagerizing his material lol.

 

[wp_375]

He quite literally got caught plagerizing his material lol.

Where? I'd love to read it.

 

[dick_starbuck]

Where? I'd love to read it.

He copied work/articles from @Type-IIx, he was confronted, he took the information down. There isnt anywhere to "read it".

If @Type-IIx wants to tell the story he can, he has the details. Its been talked about on this forum many times.

 

[ScabbyJr]

Once I found out he was one of those MAGA idiots that was enough for me to quit watching any of his shit. If he can buy their bullshit then I can't trust his judgement on other things either.

Enjoy the next 4 years! LOL! Or move to Canada...more your speed.

 

[Irish28]

Unfortunately I can’t give any opinion on that because I don’t know what optimal levels are. I believe there’s more detailed levels including age increments by 5 or 10 years. The scheme you posted seems a tad vague. From the little I know, 250 is a good baseline for over 30yo.

Now, would you feel better with a 100ng more? No one knows except you if you try it. I don’t “feel” anything from HGH.

When someone has pretty low IGF and HGH levels by adding exogenous HGH sure it makes things better in all aspects. If you have normal-high levels and you exceed them by adding exogenous HGH you actually reverse its potential benefits. With simple words, high IGF levels will age you faster.

I haven't heard that before. That having normal levels and adding extra will age you faster....i always thought there was a threshold of 300ng (for talk sake) is the optimal upper normal level a s anything beyond that will have positives and negatives

Namely one of the negatives being again faster

 

[xrayphoton13]

From what I can understand from his videos he recommends the TRT test, HGH and masteron due to the lack of ancillaries needed.

That's why he doesn't like EQ or Decca because each compound makes it more difficult to manage.

There seemed to be some contention between primobolan vs masteron. His idea was that masteron is resistant to 3a reductase so is an anabolic DHT. Whereas primobolan is an anti estrogen which complicates dosing and side effect control. So in his mind at least it's a relatively sid effect free anabolic.

I can see where he is coming from in a mass treatment approach that simplifies dosing by removing possible side effects of other compounds. (High/Low E2, prolactin, progesterone activity, erythropoesis etc)

That's my understanding after watching quite a few of his videos.

His mind is starting to waver. He just did a video, I forget the name, the 5 somethings, where he talked about adding in EQ and deca I think it was. He also just had a vid where he said eq is fine over primo. And one just dropped where he said DHB is fine. I asked if he tested c-reactive protein while on it but he said no

 

[xrayphoton13]

These days, people tend to overcomplicate everything:

• Administer the highest tolerable dose of HGH from the very first cycle — yes, even generics. A full vial daily is ideal; none of that diluted 3–6 IU nonsense.
• Begin with 250mg of Test E and incrementally increase the dosage only when progress begins to plateau.
• Once your testosterone dosage approaches the 1g threshold, consider introducing compounds such as Equipoise or Primobolan.
• Conduct comprehensive blood work every four weeks, and incorporate Arimidex if estrogen levels require regulation.

Frankly, the pharmacology of performance enhancement is remarkably straightforward, it only becomes complicated when misinformation prevails.

Anyone advising you to run low testosterone is simply uninformed and should not be taken seriously.

I would just update two things. A full vial of HGH daily? I've got 40iu vials from qsc. That would be nuts. I don't anyone needs to go over 18iu. Since I just do this for fun I'd probably never go over 6-10iu personally

Exemestane over arimidex. Exemestane is a much newer drug. Arimidex weakens bones by decreasing bone mineral density and causes micro fractures that can lead to bigger ones. Exemestane is bone anabolic and an androgen. Exemestane is better for hair loss. Hair loss was 2.5x greater on arimidex vs no drug. Exemestane also doesn't effect igf1 significantly but arimidex does lower igf1