Cutting on retatrutide and CJC+Ipamorelin

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you are 40. So your natural igf-1 wont be that high anymore.
The question is, what is your main goal? Real anabolism?
Or just "pushing your natural igf-1 level to the end of the distribution" meaning getting the fat loss and somewhat anabolism of you when beeing younger?

I know basically 90% of meso memebers are all pro GH. However how many of them have actually run a proper peptide protocoll?

Lets say im on cycle (blasting and cruising) and my goal is building as mich muscle as possible. Well the answer is: take 10-12 IU GH. No question.

Then you can say i want more fatloss, getting to a "young" level. And many people run for this 4-6IU. Now technically even 2IU is FAR over a replacement dosages. But rHGH is a lot different to out natural GH so just somehow translating our pulsative GH pulses in a "total per day dosage" is a stupid, useless oversimplification. Especially because we only look at systemic GH which as i always point out IS NOT what actually is of interest for us. But its the only thing we can messure in this context.
=> Now for this pupose peptides are a valid alternative. Some got higher (systemic!) igf-1 levels with peptides than with 4 IU and 6IU HGH and for me subjevtively it also felt more "anabolic"/ effective. And again see my other comment about a 300 systemic level beeing potentially more anabolic than a 400 level.

The thing is this:
-You may take 6IU and your systemic level.is raised only to the top of the distribution

-You may take Tesamorelin and your systemic igf-1 level may be raised to the 98 or 99 percentile (meaning you are in the top 2 or 1%) as about 30% of the persons treated with Tesamorelin in tge study.
DISCLAIMER: this puts you in the unwanted tissue growth reason like with high disages of GH. Doesnt matter if its GH or igf-1, if your igf-1 surpasses a certain level/standarddeviation you will get unwanted tissuegrowth to some extend over time
(Also be aware that in the study Tesamorelin was used on its own. Adding 600mcg Ipamorelin to the 2mg Tesa will potentiate that)

=>Now, the older you get the less you react to GH and to Peptides

You may react bad to GH and good to peptides or the other way around or bad/good to both.

So the best idea would probably be: Messure your igf-1 lever right now, then take Peptides for 2-3 months and see if you are in the ramge you want to be. If not try tge same with GH.

If you want max. anabolism you go with high dosage of GH however at 40 TRT would probably be the prefered option in that case anyways


(some people also choose 8IU which im my opiniom puts you somewhat in nonmen terrretorium. Systemic igf-1 (whivh is what causes unwanted tissue growth so actually we dont want that at all) wont get raised further at around 6IU to 8IU. So at 8IU most of us will get alle the unwanted tissue growth risks without the additional anabolism at 12 IU (autocrine (intracellular) igf-1 continues to raise even after 6IU) so in my opinion not a good choice).

I hope this helpes a little bit and you arent more confused than before
That's a great reply! Really appreciate all the extensive information you provided.
I bought CJC1295 no dac stacked with ipamorelin and at this stage I have no other choice than trying this combo. After that, is it worth trying the combo Tesamorelin and Ipamorelin if not happy about the blood results?! Or should I jump straight on HGH?
 
That's a great reply! Really appreciate all the extensive information you provided.
I bought CJC1295 no dac stacked with ipamorelin and at this stage I have no other choice than trying this combo. After that, is it worth trying the combo Tesamorelin and Ipamorelin if not happy about the blood results?! Or should I jump straight on HGH?
Absolutely wort trying Tesamorelin. I can tell you out of experiences that Tesamoreline and CJC no dac play in a COMPLETELY different league. Tesamorelin is WAY more potent.

Why? CJC results in ONE big peak after injecting. Tesamorelin aswell BUT on top it results in way bigger peaks for the following 6-8 hours!!! (Thats why you should take it before bed, as your natural GH pulses are almost exclusively at night.)
 
I started retatrutide at 250mcg per week. I'll keep as it is for 4 weeks and then I gradually increase by 250. I aim to lose 6 kgs and to get shredded. Stupid choice for such percentage of loss?! Dunno, but I needed to try something different.
There is no stupid as long as you are being as safe as possible. my weekly is 2500mcg or 2.5mg. that is around a typical starter dose. as mentioned .25mg that you are taking is very low. have you searched around to see if any others have started very low?

I'm no expert and am only going off of what i have seen online in many places. im testing it out to make my own opinions after. but i would do at least 1mg if I were you so that you can see a bit faster results. give that at least 2-4wks. then adjust up or down from there if needed.

are you a week or 2 in now? usually takes 2 weeks to notice much other than the hunger changes and stomach feelings before that. have you felt any different yet?
 
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