Cutting on retatrutide and CJC+Ipamorelin

[Fabee777]

40M doing (recreational, which means to me doing it extremely serious, but without any stage aspirations) bodybuilding for almost 20 years: lifting 4-5 times a week, plus 2 cardio sessions per week (1 LISS and 1 HIIT), and hitting 10-12k daily steps.
That said, I was planning to make my life easier for the upcoming cut phase in order to cut up to (and not more) 10% of my actual BW (87 kg).

The peptide routine I was considering is as follows:

• Retatrutide (titration in 4-week blocks, starting from 0.25 might to check my sensitivity and to slow the process down also considering my actual BF ~15/17%)
• CJC 1295 no DAC + Ipamorelin (to maximise the process and to contrast any lbm loss).

Does the use of CJC 1295+Ipamorelin makes sense in this scenario, or is it just a waste of time and money?

 

[MadMax89]

why not just take HGH

 

[MadMax89]

i did reta but titrated 1 mg each week starting at 1 mg till i reach about 5mg and just cruised on that, did that for about a month and went from 170 to 150 in that span of time.

 

[Fabee777]

why not just take HGH

That's my first time ever and I was considering something "easier" to start. I'll be doing a lot of research, but so many info to read.

 

[MadMax89]

That's my first time ever and I was considering something "easier" to start. I'll be doing a lot of research, but so many info to read.

Compared to just taking GH or IGF-1 your just wasting your money with both of those peptides

 

[rxzed]

Does the use of CJC 1295+Ipamorelin makes sense in this scenario, or is it just a waste of time and money?

Just use HGH, it's going to be much more effective. A lot more data and research on it as well and has a very good risk profile if you monitor IGF and insulin resistance.

 

[AbetheBabe]

Just use HGH, it's going to be much more effective. A lot more data and research on it as well and has a very good risk profile if you monitor IGF and insulin resistance.

I thought without AAS, hgh won’t do shit?

 

[Hulksmash36]

I had great results on 2 months of cjc no dac/ipa 300mcg/300mcg. But i imagine long term high quality hgh is superior

 

[Fabee777]

why not just take HGH

My very first time ever. I just wanted to go with something "easy" before trying the "King".

 

[Fabee777]

I had great results on 2 months of cjc no dac/ipa 300mcg/300mcg. But i imagine long term high quality hgh is superior

That's the plan. Try the stack first, then do the big jump on HGH.

 

[EWIHEWIHEWIH]

40M doing (recreational, which means to me doing it extremely serious, but without any stage aspirations) bodybuilding for almost 20 years: lifting 4-5 times a week, plus 2 cardio sessions per week (1 LISS and 1 HIIT), and hitting 10-12k daily steps.
That said, I was planning to make my life easier for the upcoming cut phase in order to cut up to (and not more) 10% of my actual BW (87 kg).

The peptide routine I was considering is as follows:

• Retatrutide (titration in 4-week blocks, starting from 0.25 might to check my sensitivity and to slow the process down also considering my actual BF ~15/17%)
• CJC 1295 no DAC + Ipamorelin (to maximise the process and to contrast any lbm loss).

Does the use of CJC 1295+Ipamorelin makes sense in this scenario, or is it just a waste of time and money?

Honestly - I agree with others that HGH is more cost effective and can ge tyou there more efficiently. BUT with that comes more work about managing food timing, blood glucose, etc. If you want set it and forget it, run tesamorelin instead. If you want to be actively managing multiple potential sides, then do GH.

This is coming from somebody currently on GH, but has used tesamorelin in the past for quite a stretch of time.

Also - get your natty IGF1 tested before.

 

[Proud Pangolin]

40M doing (recreational, which means to me doing it extremely serious, but without any stage aspirations) bodybuilding for almost 20 years: lifting 4-5 times a week, plus 2 cardio sessions per week (1 LISS and 1 HIIT), and hitting 10-12k daily steps.
That said, I was planning to make my life easier for the upcoming cut phase in order to cut up to (and not more) 10% of my actual BW (87 kg).

The peptide routine I was considering is as follows:

• Retatrutide (titration in 4-week blocks, starting from 0.25 might to check my sensitivity and to slow the process down also considering my actual BF ~15/17%)
• CJC 1295 no DAC + Ipamorelin (to maximise the process and to contrast any lbm loss).

Does the use of CJC 1295+Ipamorelin makes sense in this scenario, or is it just a waste of time and money?

if you take peptides then please Tesa+Ipa. Please read my comments on MK-677 or "why people choose peptides over GH"

 

[Kirbdawg]

40M doing (recreational, which means to me doing it extremely serious, but without any stage aspirations) bodybuilding for almost 20 years: lifting 4-5 times a week, plus 2 cardio sessions per week (1 LISS and 1 HIIT), and hitting 10-12k daily steps.
That said, I was planning to make my life easier for the upcoming cut phase in order to cut up to (and not more) 10% of my actual BW (87 kg).

The peptide routine I was considering is as follows:

• Retatrutide (titration in 4-week blocks, starting from 0.25 might to check my sensitivity and to slow the process down also considering my actual BF ~15/17%)
• CJC 1295 no DAC + Ipamorelin (to maximise the process and to contrast any lbm loss).

Does the use of CJC 1295+Ipamorelin makes sense in this scenario, or is it just a waste of time and money?

Hey! Im 45M. I started Reta on Jan 20 at 317.3lbs. My starting dose was 2mg. I did that for 2 weeks and then moved up to 2.5mg in week 3 and again this week at 2.5mg. In 23 days im down to 302.7lbs.

I originally was going to follow the Triumph trial dosing schedule at 2mg the 1st 4 weeks and then up to 4mg weeks 5-8, 8mg after, and maybe up to 12mg eventually.

After being on it almost a month I think i have decided to stay at 2.5 for now and if the weight loss stalls then i will increase to 3mg and so on. One issue i have been having is Im too low on water and it has caused periodic dehydration. i take blood pressure, adhd, and gout meds too and those also contribute. I drink a ton of water and even got a nice electrolyte powder but i sweat a ton of salt so its an uphill battle for my body. I was losing some muscle mass, which is common on reta. I just started on creatine this week to hopefully add even more water. todays body test went up 3lbs of muscle and i started that Monday night. im happy and will monitor the next while.

I added BPC-157 and TB-500 a week after starting Reta on Jan 27. That has helped keep my inflammation down and worked on healing, etc. I play hockey 2-3x week and lift 3x. I have 2 sm tears in my right rotator cuff, an old rotator tear on the other shoulder, and 1 old knee tear that acts up when it feels like.

Since i have been taking bpc morning and night and tb 2x per week after 2 weeks im starting to feel some difference. The gym has been better and hockey is feeling a lot better.

My next target is the cjc no dac and ipamorelin combo as well. GHK-cu too as a buddy says him and his gf feel great on it. Then i will eventually try the GH Tesamorelin. AI tells me to get down to 250lbs first tho.

.25 seems like a small starting dose but i dont know if there is a bad way. u can always scale it back if u start at 1mg, give or take. or week 2 maybe go up to .50+. just get a 5mg vial, not 10mg if u are starting that low. once the water is in there it is only good for around 4-5 weeks, maybe 5-6. cant remember.

sorry for the rant. im super into learning about all of this right now. sort of fun.

 

[Fabee777]

Hey! Im 45M. I started Reta on Jan 20 at 317.3lbs. My starting dose was 2mg. I did that for 2 weeks and then moved up to 2.5mg in week 3 and again this week at 2.5mg. In 23 days im down to 302.7lbs.

I originally was going to follow the Triumph trial dosing schedule at 2mg the 1st 4 weeks and then up to 4mg weeks 5-8, 8mg after, and maybe up to 12mg eventually.

After being on it almost a month I think i have decided to stay at 2.5 for now and if the weight loss stalls then i will increase to 3mg and so on. One issue i have been having is Im too low on water and it has caused periodic dehydration. i take blood pressure, adhd, and gout meds too and those also contribute. I drink a ton of water and even got a nice electrolyte powder but i sweat a ton of salt so its an uphill battle for my body. I was losing some muscle mass, which is common on reta. I just started on creatine this week to hopefully add even more water. todays body test went up 3lbs of muscle and i started that Monday night. im happy and will monitor the next while.

I added BPC-157 and TB-500 a week after starting Reta on Jan 27. That has helped keep my inflammation down and worked on healing, etc. I play hockey 2-3x week and lift 3x. I have 2 sm tears in my right rotator cuff, an old rotator tear on the other shoulder, and 1 old knee tear that acts up when it feels like.

Since i have been taking bpc morning and night and tb 2x per week after 2 weeks im starting to feel some difference. The gym has been better and hockey is feeling a lot better.

My next target is the cjc no dac and ipamorelin combo as well. GHK-cu too as a buddy says him and his gf feel great on it. Then i will eventually try the GH Tesamorelin. AI tells me to get down to 250lbs first tho.

.25 seems like a small starting dose but i dont know if there is a bad way. u can always scale it back if u start at 1mg, give or take. or week 2 maybe go up to .50+. just get a 5mg vial, not 10mg if u are starting that low. once the water is in there it is only good for around 4-5 weeks, maybe 5-6. cant remember.

sorry for the rant. im super into learning about all of this right now. sort of fun.

Don't apologise for the length of the reply; on the contrary, thank you for the time you spent writing it down! I really appreciate.
At the end I've bought 5mg x 10 vials of Reta and 10mg stacked CJC-1295NoDac&Ipamorelin x 10 vials.

I decided to start on a low dose of Reta to check any possible side effects (already suffering for about 6 months of maintenance insomnia for no reason... Always had a perfect sleep), and I'm titrating it up every month (as suggested by a lot of protocols). Why are you increasing it so fast?

For the stack, instead, my plan is to reach 250mg each in about 2 months. Should I progress quicker?

 

[Fabee777]

if you take peptides then please Tesa+Ipa. Please read my comments on MK-677 or "why people choose peptides over GH"

You know what?! I was reading your replies just a few days ago. For what I've understood, HGH is far superior, but you can't be arsed to control variables and prefer to go for the "easier way" (Tesa+Ipa).
Is it correct?!

 

[Kirbdawg]

Don't apologise for the length of the reply; on the contrary, thank you for the time you spent writing it down! I really appreciate.
At the end I've bought 5mg x 10 vials of Reta and 10mg stacked CJC-1295NoDac&Ipamorelin x 10 vials.

I decided to start on a low dose of Reta to check any possible side effects (already suffering for about 6 months of maintenance insomnia for no reason... Always had a perfect sleep), and I'm titrating it up every month (as suggested by a lot of protocols). Why are you increasing it so fast?

For the stack, instead, my plan is to reach 250mg each in about 2 months. Should I progress quicker?

I think after the 2nd injection I wasnt seeing as much progress as i wanted, even though i read it takes at least 2 weeks to start to work properly.

so i had a talk with my robot and asked what it thought about going to 2.5mg week 3, 3mg week 4, and either 3.5mg or 4mg starting week 5. stay there for a bit.

but then week 3 i dropped big weight. hockey and lots of walking and diet helped a lot. but since my water retention was still such a concern, i was debating on going back to 2mg or stick with 2.5 awhile the next week. thats when i started creatine last Monday. it has helped. i decided to stay at 2.5mg for now and see how it goes the next week or so and go from there.

the most important thing right now is for me to eat enough calories per day and get enough water to stay inside so i dont lose muscle mass.

my body composition test at the gym yesterday was a step in the right direction. i lost 1.5lbs last week and managed to gain 2lbs of muscle back and i dropped 1% body fat.

in 24 days im now down 3% body fat and 17ish lbs.

You bought a great stack. im searching for a cheaper source right now. my guy at the gym has pharma stuff but it is quite pricey. i cant expand my options if i dont go cheaper. i just dont want junk.

what does of reta are u on per week now? i thought you said at the start you hadnt started yet and was going to do .25mg.

Did you mean your goal is 2.5mg per month. not sure what u meant by 250mg each per month.