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Cut with Anavar or Tren?

narta said:
No, but personally, I don't thing contestants need halo and winstrol to be peeled. But if they can do it "easier" and their personal risk reward ratio is ok, why not?
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Well things like halo and winstrol have some pretty legitimate applications aside from just getting you peeled. Winstrol’s effects on collagen in the skin quite literally can thin the skin which is important for competing, not so much for just getting lean. Something like tren and anavar are a little different and risk/reward taken into account Id be more inclined to use those in a non-competition scenario
 
narta said:
No, but personally, I don't thing contestants need halo and winstrol to be peeled. But if they can do it "easier" and their personal risk reward ratio is ok, why not?
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I don't think so either. I think they can be the right tool in some situations strictly for their cosmetic effects, but they are definitely way overused. A lot of guys just take stuff because "that's just what you do" instead of using them intelligently.

I fully agree, people can do whatever they want, but if it's asked if I think it's "worth it" (my worth it, not their worth it) I'm gonna say no.
 
Great_Snake said:
Yeah this honestly confuses the shit out of me.

I'm not an expert, I openly admit that, but some people say use little to no drugs while cutting, but all the best looking guys use THE MOST drugs while cutting.

So which is it?

I'm in a roughly -200 calorie deficit right now and using 1000mg of mixed roids, I've been called everything from a genius to an idiot for doing this, but Im liking the results, so am I stupid?
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Honestly. Truly an honest answer. Stop posting and research your ass off then figure out what works for you. Stop worrying about others. Let experience and trial and error lead you down the path of fact and truth. Keep each cycle steady. Don’t change up in the middle. Don’t add multiple compounds at a time. Take 1-5 years to figure it out, making educated decisions.
 
Astartes said:
Honestly. Truly an honest answer. Stop posting and research your ass off then figure out what works for you. Stop worrying about others. Let experience and trial and error lead you down the path of fact and truth. Keep each cycle steady. Don’t change up in the middle. Don’t add multiple compounds at a time. Take 1-5 years to figure it out, making educated decisions.
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Exactly, it’s always great to listen to those who already did it but unless you directly work with them, then there is no way they can help you make adjustments when something isn’t working.

This is a game of trial and error based on an individual’s response to whatever drug, exercise regiment or diet given to them; it is easier if there is someone knowledgeable directing you, if not you have to figure it out yourself.
 
Tren makes me a bit of a psycho so I wouldn’t use it unless it was for competing. But if you genuinely tolerate it well then I don’t see how 100mg could hurt as long as training, diet, etc, are all on point.

For a non competition cut, if I had to use drugs, I’d probably use var, halo and clen.
 
This pretty much comes down to your personal risk tolerance.

Will cutting with GH, anavar, and tren be more effective than cutting without it? Yeah, it will be more effective at reducing BF and holding onto LBM.

Do you need more than TRT or TRT+ to hold onto your LBM? I highly doubt it.

Personally, I would be happy from a risk:benefit perspective to cut on say, 250 - 500 test / 100 to 200 tren / 4 - 8iu GH / 25 - 50mg anavar; but that is just me.

Just my opinion / willingness to use drugs.
 
BigTomJ said:
yes, theres no point of wasting drugs for a fatloss phase.

You wont have the caloric surpluss necessary to really allow the extra compounds to aid in building new muscle tissue, and trt is plenty for pretty much anyone to maintain their muscle tissue even in a long cut.

Meaning running anything above trt for a fatloss phase is almost entirely pointless in nearly all situations. Youre just wasting drugs for them to do nothing for your long term improvement.
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All facts from tom, majority of bodybuilders aint diff than a heroin addict. Just pinning becouse majority does the same.

Its crazy how big of % of buddybuilders doing it wrong. Then teaching others the same wrong ways. This is the biggest trap in bodybuilding.

Doing shit wrong just becouse the majority does it that way.

Tom is a gem to meso :3
 
bigboy420 said:
All facts from tom, majority of bodybuilders aint diff than a heroin addict. Just pinning becouse majority does the same.

Its crazy how big of % of buddybuilders doing it wrong. Then teaching others the same wrong ways. This is the biggest trap in bodybuilding.

Doing shit wrong just becouse the majority does it that way.

Tom is a gem to meso :3
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Tom knows his shit, no doubt.

I think the issue some people have with, for example your quote, "big % of bodybuilders doing it wrong," is that is pretty subjective.

Some dudes are willing to use more drugs than others, so some are willing to use more drugs in a cut and use just as much if not more in a growth phase.

Whereas some are looking to optimize health and the total long term AAS load; cutting on TRT and growing on minimal effective dose.

There's a million ways to get from point A to B, but just because folks have differing risk tolerances doesn't necessarily make them wrong for wanting to deploy tren or anavar, etc., during a cut while being a recreational / non competing BBer.
 
Great_Snake said:
I'm not an expert, I openly admit that, but some people say use little to no drugs while cutting, but all the best looking guys use THE MOST drugs while cutting.
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People wouldn't lie on the internet, right?

The first group you are talking about make profit out of telling how you are doing everything wrong and this includes breathing and the only way you can do it right is by paying them and letting them micromanage everything in your life.

The other group you are talking about make profit out of selling you overpriced products.

Anyone who wants to use more than just TRT should consider cutting with TRT at least once to know your baseline.

On your next cut you can add in anything that could help. Did you have difficult time with losing visceral fat? Or did you lack energy to perform the cardio? Or perhaps appetite control? Pick one at a time.

Figure out your baseline and then use the tools that helps achieving what you are looking for without going completely nuclear unless you really need to.
 
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bigboy420 said:
They dont lie, they perma inject for visual effect and ignore health and farm meso cool points.

But they will crumble with time. They are temporary.

Lifestyle cycling is different
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bigboy420 said:
But some pay alot more price in health when the outcome longterm would be the same.
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I'm really not speaking about anything other than the notion that there is "right" and "wrong" when it comes to peoples drug use in bodybuilding.

Everything else equal, more drugs = worse health.

Everything else equal, more drugs = more gains.

These statements are simplified.

Sure there are nuances like, what if the person using more drugs has health issues and has to stop? Then more gains doesn't apply over X time horizon.

I'm gonna wrap this up and just say that ultimately, everyone has to find their balance of risk, health, gains, and longevity. Unfortunately, genetics have not created us all equal, so you'll see some folks getting away with murder while others have issues on minimal doses.

It sounds like you have found the "right" way for you when taking into consideration all those factors, and that's awesome, man. Sincerely.

I'm looking forward to hearing and seeing what that looks like, for you.
 
bigboy420 said:
All facts from tom, majority of bodybuilders aint diff than a heroin addict. Just pinning becouse majority does the same.

Its crazy how big of % of buddybuilders doing it wrong. Then teaching others the same wrong ways. This is the biggest trap in bodybuilding.

Doing shit wrong just becouse the majority does it that way.

Tom is a gem to meso :3
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Lol if they are heroin addicts and they use drugs to further their careers and make money, what does it make you a gym bro who injects drugs just to get in shape?
 
bigboy420 said:
They dont lie, they perma inject for visual effect and ignore health and farm meso cool points.

But they will crumble with time. They are temporary.

Lifestyle cycling is different
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I gaurentee my labs look better then yours lol.

Going to remind anyone attempting to have any type of rational debate with this person, he is a literal drug addict First real cycle

Pot meet Kettle.
 
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