Cant catch my breath

[Eddie.]

As other guys said most probably it's a e2 issue, since your heart was fine before cycle. It takes some time to do damage and from one moderate cycle i doubt it's that but definitely search it if your bloodwork comes out normal.

Of course as you might already know, since you have tren in your stack doing a simple e2 test will show false positive outcome. You must do ultra sensitive (lc/ms). If you don't have the ability for this (here in EU is almost impossible to find a lab doing it) then don't go at all. You'll have to drop tren E and wait like a month before you check e2.

I had some similar situation with nandrolone recently, i had heart palpitations and high rhr with strong beats. Didn't felt anxious or anything but it triggered my body with those symptoms. I dropped it and in a few days all vanished.

 

[npp_enjoyer]

Just to add something no one has addressed - you said you had EKG and everything was fine there. An EKG doesn't pick up on a lot of serious things that could be wrong with your heart.

You should really get an EKG + an Echocardiogram if you want to know the shape your heart is in. And even then, some things are only picked up on an MRI.

If things don't settle down, I would suggest getting an echo, it is not that expensive.

 

[knucklesamich]

You beat me to it, I was going to mention, Primordial prevention has only been possible since modern pharmaceuticals have gotten to the point that in most cases, there’s no downside, no “price” to pay in exchange for a health benefit.

I remember my grandparents meds. Every pill was half cure half poison. Of course you didn’t take that shit until it was absolutely necessary. The more pills someone took, the sicker they looked and closer to death they were.

I think a lot of people are still traumatized by that and have Pharmacophobia. So while a pile of UGL PEDs is no problem, anything pharma (for BP, lipids, etc) causes anxiety and is resisted.

GLPs are a great example (maybe the greatest) of how a pharmaceutical can be all (or almost all) upside.

The first generation in the 90s were reserved for a small group of wealthy patients, as a superior, more convienient alternative to insulin.

But doctors observed an interesting phenomenon. The diabetics using them long term seemed to develop fewer problems and lived longer than their non-diabetic, technically healthier peers.

The same can be said for a bunch of modern drugs. Telmisartan is a good example. Keeps BP in check in a proportional way, so you can use it to keep your “normal” BP in the slightly lower “ideal” range, but when it rises for whatever reason, Telm exerts stronger blood pressure control as needed. The “side effects” are similar to cardarine. Boosts endurance, lowers triglycerides, improves insulin sensitivity, inhibits new fat cell growth, shifts muscle energy use to fatty acids, etc etc.

Just one example of a drug that can be safely taken long in advance of where the current guidelines recommend using a drug, and the most likely result will be better overall health, beyond preventing damage from elevated blood pressure. With careful selection, there are choices like this that can significantly reduce almost all long term health risks.

Primordial Prevention of Atherosclerotic Cardiovascular... : Journal of Cardiopulmonary Rehabilitation and Prevention

entions to prevent them. Review Methods: A review was conducted on the basis of an in-depth literature search including longitudinal observational data, systematic reviews and meta-analyses published in 2012 or later, clinical trials, and additional manual searches of recent literature based on...

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This reminds me of something. There's a cholesterol medication that you'd mentioned once or twice in a couple of recent posts, do you remember it?

I've been using Rosuvastatin, as I believe you'd mentioned it awhile back, a few years ago I think, even a chart. The statin I was taking was hell on my joints, and one feature of Rosuvastatin that was mentioned was how it doesn't have that kind of side affect for most people. So I tried it, boom, instant relief. My cardiologist was very much in favor of it and surprised I knew what it was.

There's another newer cholesterol med, one you'd mentioned, even better about side effects etc. I've never heard of it before, but it's got me thinking. Newer more effective meds with less side effects coming out all the time.

 

[Liter O' Test]

makes me think of a Pulmonary embolism
especially considering EQ

this probably isnt about your heart because this is acute
usually diagnosed with a simple chest Xray and blood test to check if you have / had a clot

 

[Tbaz192]

Just to add something no one has addressed - you said you had EKG and everything was fine there. An EKG doesn't pick up on a lot of serious things that could be wrong with your heart.

You should really get an EKG + an Echocardiogram if you want to know the shape your heart is in. And even then, some things are only picked up on an MRI.

If things don't settle down, I would suggest getting an echo, it is not that expensive.

Exactly. Most Cardiologists will do an echo if you ask and just say you don’t know your families heart history & need the peace of mind.

My cardiologist didn’t hesitate to order an EKG, stress test, and an echo.

 

[bananafeet]

As other guys said most probably it's a e2 issue, since your heart was fine before cycle. It takes some time to do damage and from one moderate cycle i doubt it's that but definitely search it if your bloodwork comes out normal.

Of course as you might already know, since you have tren in your stack doing a simple e2 test will show false positive outcome. You must do ultra sensitive (lc/ms). If you don't have the ability for this (here in EU is almost impossible to find a lab doing it) then don't go at all. You'll have to drop tren E and wait like a month before you check e2.

I had some similar situation with nandrolone recently, i had heart palpitations and high rhr with strong beats. Didn't felt anxious or anything but it triggered my body with those symptoms. I dropped it and in a few days all vanished.

I'm currently on quite a lot of nandralone and I've found that my current stack of Sertraline and Mirtazapine has lowered my resting heart rate quite a lot.

The Mirtazapine made the most difference for the heart rate, but the Sertraline blunts the anxiety the most.

 

[Eddie.]

Glad you find a solution to this but honestly I'd like to avoid going that route. Mirtazapine perhaps I'd try it but zoloft and seroquel no.

Thankfully complications from deca subsided in just a week after stop pinning which is too fast considering the ester. Although i was feeling good in general, last 10-15 days i feel a bit depressed and my libido took a hit. I don't know if it's the build up from deca or is it something random because i have some life stress too but I guess a lil tren will take care of that lol.

 

[SuperJew]

NEVER chance it. NEVER try to ride it out. Shortness of breath could be many things, but some of them can be serious. It's ALWAYS better to be safe than sorry. Brother, if you have a PCP, go see them. If not, hit up urgent care or even an ER walk in.

 

[Liter O' Test]

NEVER chance it. NEVER try to ride it out. Shortness of breath could be many things, but some of them can be serious. It's ALWAYS better to be safe than sorry. Brother, if you have a PCP, go see them. If not, hit up urgent care or even an ER walk in.

yeah idk why tf none of the replies said this , like he got heart failure overnight

 

[Anonymous35]

It can also happened from too high hematocrit sometimes.
It can also came from my experience with electrolyte imbalance hypokalimia / hyperkalimia
It can also happened from heart failure maybe, but you should have more sign like swellen feet… and that doesn’t happened with one cycle
But tren is also well known for this

 

[bananafeet]

Glad you find a solution to this but honestly I'd like to avoid going that route. Mirtazapine perhaps I'd try it but zoloft and seroquel no.

Thankfully complications from deca subsided in just a week after stop pinning which is too fast considering the ester. Although i was feeling good in general, last 10-15 days i feel a bit depressed and my libido took a hit. I don't know if it's the build up from deca or is it something random because i have some life stress too but I guess a lil tren will take care of that lol.

Yeah man I understand 100 percent. I am not going to defend SSRI meds. They are infamous for a reason.

They are exceptional for dealing with anxiety tho. They will take you from the depths of catastrophising to being in a chill mood. My resting heart rate dropped from 67 to 62 a few days after starting mirtazapine and I've never slept so good or felt so relaxed. Maybe if I go back 13 years I can remember being chilled out.

Tren will help definitely until it doesn't help anymore lol

I watched this old video that helped me to navigate the controversy around it (explains the claim that anti depressants aren't better than placebo):

View: https://youtu.be/LAMyzmWvjJE


The power of the brain to drive heart remodelling and damage through stress shouldn't be underestimated.

 

[4Drago]

Get your heart checked out by a cardiologist. Especially your ejection fraction percentage. Sounds like your heart isn't working efficiently.
I ran into the same thing. Ejection fraction was only 34%. Meds brought everything back to normal range for my age. Now I only do trt and one mild cycle per year (3-4 mths). My heart gets checked now yearly. Last check everything was still gtg. So I can still cycle just in more moderation as mentioned. Also I went down from approx. 257 lbs 5'9" to 225lbs 12% bf, for health, and I feed great.

 

[4Drago]

Just to add something no one has addressed - you said you had EKG and everything was fine there. An EKG doesn't pick up on a lot of serious things that could be wrong with your heart.

You should really get an EKG + an Echocardiogram if you want to know the shape your heart is in. And even then, some things are only picked up on an MRI.

If things don't settle down, I would suggest getting an echo, it is not that expensive.

This! You at least need an echo. They also can do an ultrasound.

 

[HeatherSwanson]

100-110 and I feel like my heart beat is more pronounced. Like I feel it in my chest

Dude, you're in the danger zone. Go to the hospital tomorrow