BP creeping up - what compound to trim?

[RockyP]

Greetings men.

Current cycle had topped out at 420 test, 350 primo, and 40 mg anavar (three times per week). GH 4 iu, reta 4 mg unchanged. I'm cutting, so weight has been coming off fairly quickly.

When I started I had the dosages very low, 235 test, 285 primo. E2 took a shit (obviously - was thinking I aromatized more than I did), so I adjusted to test 315 / primo 280. BP had been hanging around 115 - 125 / 65 - 70 on those lower doses. When I tried to bump the GH to 5 iu, within a day or 2 the BP went up to nearly 140 / 80. Tried that a few times and the same result.

Since adding in the tren a week or so ago (70 mg / week), I've noticed a similar but smaller increase in BP. I take it same time every morning, but if I get a shit night of sleep I dont bother since I've seen that just that variable can fuck it up. Currently I'm bouncing between 125 - 135 / 65 - 80. Not really a big difference, but if it persists / worsens, I'm wondering what ya'll think about adjustments of the cycle, since I plan to try to run the tren up a little, to 105 - 140, maybe even 210 if I can tolerate it otherwise.

Option 1 I thought was to drop test to 350, primo to 210, and keep tren unchanged. The more I think about this option I'm thinking that the primo is just being wasted and doing little other than fucking up my HDL. I'm a lot leaner than when I started so it's likely that I might not even need primo for E2 control at 350 test.

Option 2 was to drop test to 300, drop primo altogether, and keep tren.

Open to any thoughts / suggestions.

 

[anon55]

Greetings men.

Current cycle had topped out at 420 test, 350 primo, and 40 mg anavar (three times per week). GH 4 iu, reta 4 mg unchanged. I'm cutting, so weight has been coming off fairly quickly.

When I started I had the dosages very low, 235 test, 285 primo. E2 took a shit (obviously - was thinking I aromatized more than I did), so I adjusted to test 315 / primo 280. BP had been hanging around 115 - 125 / 65 - 70 on those lower doses. When I tried to bump the GH to 5 iu, within a day or 2 the BP went up to nearly 140 / 80. Tried that a few times and the same result.

Since adding in the tren a week or so ago (70 mg / week), I've noticed a similar but smaller increase in BP. I take it same time every morning, but if I get a shit night of sleep I dont bother since I've seen that just that variable can fuck it up. Currently I'm bouncing between 125 - 135 / 65 - 80. Not really a big difference, but if it persists / worsens, I'm wondering what ya'll think about adjustments of the cycle, since I plan to try to run the tren up a little, to 105 - 140, maybe even 210 if I can tolerate it otherwise.

Option 1 I thought was to drop test to 350, primo to 210, and keep tren unchanged. The more I think about this option I'm thinking that the primo is just being wasted and doing little other than fucking up my HDL. I'm a lot leaner than when I started so it's likely that I might not even need primo for E2 control at 350 test.

Option 2 was to drop test to 300, drop primo altogether, and keep tren.

Open to any thoughts / suggestions.

If it was happening to me I would rather just add BP meds. Lazy but effective, and you can keep anabolic steroids higher.

 

[Ghoul]

If it was happening to me I would rather just add BP meds. Lazy but effective, and you can keep anabolic steroids higher.

Pick the right one, and the side effects are (almost) all positives lol. Telm boosts insulin sensitivity and improves lipids, for instance.

 

[RockyP]

Adding BP meds is def an option.

Since these readings aren’t terribly high I would like to try to figure out, if I can, which compound is contributing. It may not be possible, of course. I’m planning to cut another 8-10 kg of bodyweight so I’m hoping that will also have some positive impact.

 

[Bigoldguy]

Adding BP meds is def an option.

Since these readings aren’t terribly high I would like to try to figure out, if I can, which compound is contributing. It may not be possible, of course. I’m planning to cut another 8-10 kg of bodyweight so I’m hoping that will also have some positive impact.

I loke your idea. Cut down to one drug and then see what happens...adjust until you see what your body can handle. 10kg loss will definitely drop your bp. (it did mine) You might add beet powder for a bit in the morning, it dropped my BP by 5-8pts. Just food for thought.

 

[BigDadd7]

I would go with option two. Low dose primo doesn't do a lot. Low dose tren (100ish/week) shows real changes and shouldn't hit your BP at that dose.

I'm a less-is-more guy. If cutting primo drops your bp without having to add a BP med, that feels like a win.

 

[RockyP]

I would go with option two. Low dose primo doesn't do a lot. Low dose tren (100ish/week) shows real changes and shouldn't hit your BP at that dose.

I'm a less-is-more guy. If cutting primo drops your bp without having to add a BP med, that feels like a win.

I like it. I think that’s what I’m gonna go. Been on the primo a while anyway.

 

[accidentaljedi173]

I feel most us that use gear would benefit from 20-40mg telmisartan and 5mg nebivilol. Especially, if your running things like gh and tren, since both have a tendency to raise rhr and bp.

It's great if you don't need to use them, but majority of the time bp will need to be mitigated with something.

 

[Slowww]

I think BP medication is fine. Dropping orals too until the end is another course of action . The couple times I took anavar if spikes my BP by 10 with tren and anavar about 15 altogether. Personally I would just keep injectable’s, toss the anavar and take a small amount of BP meds too if it’s going to help out with some other factors like insulin sensitivity and general long term cardiac health while using AAS

 

[RockyP]

Quick update. Kept test @ 420, dropped primo totally. Bumped tren to 105 (30 mg eod) a few days ago. BP back to baseline. Unclear if it was a primo issue, totally unrelated, or whatever idk. I had been waiting / planning to drop the primo anyway, this was as good a time as any. Will re-visit some months later with higher test and NPP.

Also, Zero tren side effects so far. will see how things go and in a few weeks if everything still going smoothly will prob increase to 140 / week. Already seeing strength bump and visual changes, diet is 500 - 800 cal deficit with one "re-feed" (one day of maintenance cals but much higher carbs) per week. I'm going to try to keep the test as high as I can (not more than 420, but if I can keep it here I will) unless and until I see any E2-related sides. The last time I ran this much without an AI my E2 was 100 BUT i was also taking 100 mg DHEA per week, and I had quite a bit more bodyfat on me. Pulling bloods in a few weeks that will include U/S E2. Thanks for the input guys.