Blood Pressure

[Gonz0]

My BP currently with 10mg ivabradine and 2,5mg nebivolol. Thankfully after dropping nandrolone bp came down a little, rhr reduced further and heart palpitations vanished. Remind me to never use nandrolone again xD.

Still at 1200mg+ total, 8iu GH and 3mg Reta.

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Did cilnidipine reduced significantly your systolic without touching diastolic too much? If yes this is very interesting. Sporadically I had some readings of 125/55 and wondered what should I do if systolic raise more since most bp meds reduce both systolic and diastolic. Hopefully I won’t ever need a med but I’d be relieved to know there’s something it can target mostly systolic.

It seems to hit my diastolic a little bit too , but not as much as the nebivilol. I actually had to cut the nebi back to 2.5mg daily , bumped up telmi to 80 with 5mg clinidipine. That’s still lowering my diastolic almost too much because some mornings I’ll wake up and diastolic will be 45. I want to try ivabradine but didn’t see it on pct’s list

 

[malfeasance]

many times through out the day i'll sit for a few mins and i get 150-160 readings. 170 after meals occasionally. i fear i might stoke while training sometimes.

80 telmisartan & 5 almod for 3 weeks now

i ran 60mg telmi for 4 months and my bp didnt respond, came off for a month, no change, now back on again. BP is the exact same is it was during the month of no meds

im 22. 17% bf, clean diet, cardio decent.

not on gear though did run my first cycle 18 months ago, Test E only 350mg/week

few weeks in i bought a BP cuff and noticed it was high, 140s - 150s /65/70. always isolated systolic, never had diastolic problems. stopped the test after 8 weeks as could not bring the BP down and convinced myself i was gonna have a cardiac episode of some sort, got chest pains etc too on cycle, i'm 90% sure these symptoms were anxiety/placebo though the isolated sys hypertension was very real. haven't touched gear since.

though i dont think 8 weeks on 350mg caused this, i think it brought my hypertension to light, perhaps i've had it my whole life, or perhaps since i put on so much size? 63kg/135lbs to 93kg/205lbs in 2 years, 6ft / 183cm

completely unresponsive to all meds, sups, diet/lifestyle tweaks. echo, ecg, bloods, kidney function all good. i gave up on doctors after some time, looking for any insight at this point hence this post

very fascinating yet very worrying at 22. i have an extreme bounding pulse that comes along with it, perhaps the huge pulse pressure. my whole body flinches with each heart beat. my life has been hell since this started, i still manage to train though

A few suggestions.

First, drop that body fat from 17% down to 10-11%. You say diet is clean and cardio is decent, but 17% body fat belies those claims.

You are only 205 pounds at 6 feet tall. You started at 135. I gained similar eight when I was younger (same height) with no steroids and had "perfect" blood pressure, always 120/70 or so.

At 17%, though, you are carrying 14 pounds or so of fat that you could drop off without affecting your current strength levels or negatively affecting your progress in the gym. You could do it in a couple of months and look far better afterward.

I second Ghoul's suggestion to go see your doctor, though.

No need to tell him about using testosterone. It sounds like you are on nothing now. Just tell him the blood pressure concerns and that you tried telmisartan, on, off, on, and no difference.

That is a huge spread, and it indicates a pulse pressure that is dangerously high.

It is also a very common condition, although not usually in 22 year olds.

 

[Eddie.]

Amazing.

How did you go about choosing ivabradine and nebivolol?

Well my BP was always very good, my goal was to lower the RHR which took a slight hit from HGH and followed by a big hit when I introduced Reta.

My baseline was ~65, with HGH went to 73-75 and with Reta 92-95.

I went with ivabradine first because it’s the only med that hits specifically the rhr without altering BP. I still wasn’t very pleased with the reduction and I added just a tiny amount of nebivolol that thankfully it doesn’t lowers further my bp but it drops some points in rhr.

The highest I’ve ever seen my bp is 130/68 and it was when I binged with food way before gear and ended up 310lb and 35-40% bodyfat. Not even tren affects my bp and rhr, only nandrolone raised both of them and induced some heart palpitations and that’s why I dropped it for good.

It seems to hit my diastolic a little bit too , but not as much as the nebivilol. I actually had to cut the nebi back to 2.5mg daily , bumped up telmi to 80 with 5mg clinidipine. That’s still lowering my diastolic almost too much because some mornings I’ll wake up and diastolic will be 45. I want to try ivabradine but didn’t see it on pct’s list

Ok! Try to find ivabradine, I think BG has it. It’s a great med for rhr

 

[Photon]

It seems to hit my diastolic a little bit too , but not as much as the nebivilol. I actually had to cut the nebi back to 2.5mg daily , bumped up telmi to 80 with 5mg clinidipine. That’s still lowering my diastolic almost too much because some mornings I’ll wake up and diastolic will be 45. I want to try ivabradine but didn’t see it on pct’s list

Email him
Ask for Ivabradine healing pharma.
5mg or 7.5mg.

 

[Gonz0]

Email him
Ask for Ivabradine healing pharma.
5mg or 7.5mg.

Awesome, thank you sir !

 

[Bigoldguy]

many times through out the day i'll sit for a few mins and i get 150-160 readings. 170 after meals occasionally. i fear i might stoke while training sometimes.

80 telmisartan & 5 almod for 3 weeks now

i ran 60mg telmi for 4 months and my bp didnt respond, came off for a month, no change, now back on again. BP is the exact same is it was during the month of no meds

im 22. 17% bf, clean diet, cardio decent.

not on gear though did run my first cycle 18 months ago, Test E only 350mg/week

few weeks in i bought a BP cuff and noticed it was high, 140s - 150s /65/70. always isolated systolic, never had diastolic problems. stopped the test after 8 weeks as could not bring the BP down and convinced myself i was gonna have a cardiac episode of some sort, got chest pains etc too on cycle, i'm 90% sure these symptoms were anxiety/placebo though the isolated sys hypertension was very real. haven't touched gear since.

though i dont think 8 weeks on 350mg caused this, i think it brought my hypertension to light, perhaps i've had it my whole life, or perhaps since i put on so much size? 63kg/135lbs to 93kg/205lbs in 2 years, 6ft / 183cm

completely unresponsive to all meds, sups, diet/lifestyle tweaks. echo, ecg, bloods, kidney function all good. i gave up on doctors after some time, looking for any insight at this point hence this post

very fascinating yet very worrying at 22. i have an extreme bounding pulse that comes along with it, perhaps the huge pulse pressure. my whole body flinches with each heart beat. my life has been hell since this started, i still manage to train though

Your body may not like the new weight...had the same issue when I was in my 20s...bp went from normal to 180s systolic after gaining a bunch weight via muscle. Doc explained that even though I wasn't fat, my heart was still having to push blood through the extra muscle weight and it didnt like it. Hope you can get it under control. Knowledge is a lot better now than it was 38 years ago.

 

[jeramiahusain]

A few suggestions.

First, drop that body fat from 17% down to 10-11%. You say diet is clean and cardio is decent, but 17% body fat belies those claims.

You are only 205 pounds at 6 feet tall. You started at 135. I gained similar eight when I was younger (same height) with no steroids and had "perfect" blood pressure, always 120/70 or so.

At 17%, though, you are carrying 14 pounds or so of fat that you could drop off without affecting your current strength levels or negatively affecting your progress in the gym. You could do it in a couple of months and look far better afterward.

I second Ghoul's suggestion to go see your doctor, though.

No need to tell him about using testosterone. It sounds like you are on nothing now. Just tell him the blood pressure concerns and that you tried telmisartan, on, off, on, and no difference.

That is a huge spread, and it indicates a pulse pressure that is dangerously high.

It is also a very common condition, although not usually in 22 year olds.

perhaps 17% sounds worse than it is, i look very healthy at this weight imo. diet is very clean at around 3800kcal 200g protein. i'm bulking & i want way more tissue before i consider cutting.

10-11% seems extreme & would require a substantial deficit. i'd look very skinny at 10% bf and i'd likely have to diet down to 2000-2500kcal toward the end of the cut. 10% body fat doesn't seem necessary to have a healthy BP dont you think? i'd consider 13-15%

if i looked visibly overweight & were carrying excess fat that clearly wasn't serving me, i would completely agree with you

forgot to mention. i've had hypertension for 18 months now. there have been two periods each 1-3 months long where i dropped down to 84kg / 185lbs, no change in BP at all.

 

[jeramiahusain]

Your body may not like the new weight...had the same issue when I was in my 20s...bp went from normal to 180s systolic after gaining a bunch weight via muscle. Doc explained that even though I wasn't fat, my heart was still having to push blood through the extra muscle weight and it didnt like it. Hope you can get it under control. Knowledge is a lot better now than it was 38 years ago.

wow interesting. how did you get it under control? did you respond to the meds?

Anybody get muscle aches on telismartan? It went away when I dropped the 40mg dose I’ve been taking for most of the year. I get it prescribed.

perhaps excess potassium? need to monitor K levels while on telmi

 

[TRENdy07]

perhaps 17% sounds worse than it is, i look very healthy at this weight imo. diet is very clean at around 3800kcal 200g protein. i'm bulking & i want way more tissue before i consider cutting.

10-11% seems extreme & would require a substantial deficit. i'd look very skinny at 10% bf and i'd likely have to diet down to 2000-2500kcal toward the end of the cut. 10% body fat doesn't seem necessary to have a healthy BP dont you think? i'd consider 13-15%

if i looked visibly overweight & were carrying excess fat that clearly wasn't serving me, i would completely agree with you

forgot to mention. i've had hypertension for 18 months now. there have been two periods each 1-3 months long where i dropped down to 84kg / 185lbs, no change in BP at all.

Most people rarely have realistic knowledge of bf. 17% and I still have a very pronounced 6 pack. Most people who claim 10% are closer to 13-15 bc they used the scan at the gym inflated their ego lol. I’m not saying 10 isn’t reasonable to walk around at.. but way less people are 10, than they think

 

[Bigoldguy]

wow interesting. how did you get it under control? did you respond to the meds?

perhaps excess potassium? need to monitor K levels while on telmi

Dropped about 40l s over the next couple years...wasnt happy

 

[Gonz0]

Blood pressure 2 hours after waking up, pretty happy with these results , wrapping up a test/tren/adrol cycle. 5mg of clinidipine has been a game changer , actually increased telmisartan to 120 and dropped out the 5mg of nebivilol completely because my diastolic was dipping a little too low in the morning. Telmisartan is taken in the morning , clinidipine at night.

 

[Almoister]

Blood pressure 2 hours after waking up, pretty happy with these results , wrapping up a test/tren/adrol cycle. 5mg of clinidipine has been a game changer , actually increased telmisartan to 120 and dropped out the 5mg of nebivilol completely because my diastolic was dipping a little too low in the morning. Telmisartan is taken in the morning , clinidipine at night.

It Can be fauled reading i think , u cant have 2x systolic of that of diastolic if im not wrong

 

[Gonz0]

It Can be fauled reading i think , u cant have 2x systolic of that of diastolic if im not wrong

It’s reading correct , my diastolic is on the lower side but a lot of people get isolated systolic hypertension so it’s not super uncommon

 

[zmurphy]

My blood pressure was starting to creep up to 130/70 from 110/60. Put in 10mg Enalapril, its just what I had on hand. Came down to 118/65. I was happy with that but the congestion/stuffy nose has been BRUTAL. I'm on the verge of dropping the Enalapril and the cycle.

 

[keepbashing]

My blood pressure was starting to creep up to 130/70 from 110/60. Put in 10mg Enalapril, its just what I had on hand. Came down to 118/65. I was happy with that but the congestion/stuffy nose has been BRUTAL. I'm on the verge of dropping the Enalapril and the cycle.

Start with 5 mg and wait at least two weeks before increasing the dose. The side effects you described subside in most patients after 2–4 weeks.

 

[Arathorny]

On 40mg of telm and 5mg Nebivolol, BP creeping up to weekly morning average of 128/83. Ordered the 2-in-1 Cilnep-T pill that has 40mg telm and 10 mg cilnidipine that just got delivered today, going to swap to that and see if I get any improvement.

 

[Ghoul]

On 40mg of telm and 5mg Nebivolol, BP creeping up to weekly morning average of 128/83. Ordered the 2-in-1 Cilnep-T pill that has 40mg telm and 10 mg cilnidipine that just got delivered today, going to swap to that and see if I get any improvement.

Great med from a premium pharma company. Using the 40/20 version, a rare combo, with great results.

 

[Arathorny]

Great med from a premium pharma company. Using the 40/20 version, a rare combo, with great results.

At a great price too. Cost less than 40mg telm does by itself.

Looking forward to seeing what it does for me.

 

[Oig2214]

It’s reading correct , my diastolic is on the lower side but a lot of people get isolated systolic hypertension so it’s not super uncommon

have you ever had an echo done?

 

[Gonz0]

have you ever had an echo done?

No I’ve had an ekg done but trying to get my dr to order me an echo is like pulling teeth , going to see if I can get one ordered this winter