Biggest contributing factor to PED induced aging?

[AllGoodThings]

What would be the single biggest contributing factor to aging with PED use? Is it certain compounds? Dose dependant? Duration and dose dependant? What types of mechanisms are at play beyond just oxidative stress? What got me thinking on the subject was seeing an old picture of Dr Todd Lee, and while I have no idea how old he is in the pic, it's a striking difference between that picture and how he looks now, and kind of scary, honestly. He looks to have aged more than 25 years between those pics, maybe 30+, and yet I suspect it's probably more like 15 years between them. Are high dose DHT's like Masteron, which he talks about using at doses of 450mg/day, which is over 3 grams a week, the likely culprit for him, specifically?

If anyone knows how far apart in time these images are, I'd be very curious to know

 

[Photon]

HGH (IGF1)
DHT (Hair loss?)

Think he lost facial fat too...which makes u look older (Look at chubby babies..)

Personally i think his nose looks a little different too..
Heck his bone structure looks different too..it became wider.

 

[Darealme83]

What would be the single biggest contributing factor to aging with PED use? Is it certain compounds? Dose dependant? Duration and dose dependant? What types of mechanisms are at play beyond just oxidative stress? What got me thinking on the subject was seeing an old picture of Dr Todd Lee, and while I have no idea how old he is in the pic, it's a striking difference between that picture and how he looks now, and kind of scary, honestly. He looks to have aged more than 25 years between those pics, maybe 30+, and yet I suspect it's probably more like 15 years between them. Are high dose DHT's like Masteron, which he talks about using at doses of 450mg/day, which is over 3 grams a week, the likely culprit for him, specifically?

If anyone knows how far apart in time these images are, I'd be very curious to know

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lol. He looks hungry.

 

[Ghoul]

 

[The Answ3r]

Looks like those photos tell a dark story: the first says “bright future,” the second looks like life backed up a dump truck full of PEDs, sleepless nights, and bad decisions onto his face. Even HGH would look at that and say, “bro, I build muscle, not resurrection projects.” That face has seen more cycles than a laundromat, and judging by the hair situation, it’s been through a few spin cycles without the dryer sheet too.

 

[explodingHeart]

Waist size seems to correlate with facial deformation / thickening. Anyone else notice this?

Meaning the thicker a BBers waist grows, his skull / facial features track along with it.

 

[just some dude]

collagen loss. simple.

 

[unid888]

Age + lack of skincare (no tretinoin or other collagen compounds, no SPF50) + excess mass + DHT.

Looks-maxxers are taking dutasteride from a young age to combat DHT-driven aging, there's some science behind it.

VERY good example of excess mass (or maybe water retention?) - not even 2 years between pictures:

 

[unid888]

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He needs Upper Blepharoplasty, Facelift, Botox, Hair transplant and he would look almost exactly the same as his previous picture.

 

[explodingHeart]

He needs Upper Blepharoplasty, Facelift, Botox, Hair transplant and he would look almost exactly the same as his previous picture.

Age + lack of skincare (no tretinoin or other collagen compounds, no SPF50) + excess mass + DHT.

Looks-maxxers are taking dutasteride from a young age to combat DHT-driven aging, there's some science behind it.

VERY good example of excess mass (or maybe water retention?) - not even 2 years between pictures:View attachment 347881

Dorian Yates face reverted back to slim when he stopped competing.

I'm fairly confident most of these acromegaly / bloat faces would shrink back to the original size if they simply went back to <= 25 bmi and got off all the drugs.

 

[narta]

Androgens cause the "aging" effect. The heavier the load the more prominent the outcome.

In that particular picture, the photo on the right is sharpened to a ridiculous degree and the color balance is altered, in order to make it look more intense.

 

[just some dude]

Looks-maxxers are taking dutasteride from a young age to combat DHT-driven aging, there's some science behind it.

high iq user

we live in a completely different era. you can degenerate faster than ever but you can also generate faster than ever, either way life will be very fast.

 

[just some dude]

unironically tho the androgenic features are still part of health markers cause health markers isn’t just collagen and hair, it’s also fertility. it’s just that ppl are mentally ill and take them to the point of side effects. but the idea is to have balance without taking shit looking for side effects.

 

[unid888]

unironically tho the androgenic features are still part of health markers cause health markers isn’t just collagen and hair, it’s also fertility. it’s just that ppl are mentally ill and take them to the point of side effects. but the idea is to have balance without taking shit looking for side effects.

Why do you need fertility if you look like shit?

high iq user

we live in a completely different era. you can degenerate faster than ever but you can also generate faster than ever, either way life will be very fast.

How is blocking DHT degeneration? Going bald is one of the worst things you could do to your appearance.

 

[Eddie.]

What you order from Temu vs what you get lol
He's a heavy user, average 2,5 - 3 ,5 grams all year round. That 450 mast a day is a fact, i remember him saying it. Guys like vigorous believe that mast ages you faster other compounds and it makes your face dry and wrinkly.

I don't know what mistakes he has done in the past but i saw a video of him at a younger age and he looked very good, like he had the genetics to be something good. He was obviously still small but balanced, rounder with a very good skin. Now he looks like death.. it's pretty sad.

Looks-maxxers are taking dutasteride from a young age to combat DHT-driven aging, there's some science behind it.

He is taking dutasteride, don't know though for how many years.

He needs Upper Blepharoplasty, Facelift, Botox, Hair transplant and he would look almost exactly the same as his previous picture.

He's also done hair transplant and I'm pretty sure the after pic is current.

 

[Slowww]

Honestly I don’t think it’s just androgens, people pretty consistently think Im a lot younger than my age and I’ve been blasting and cruising for a minute, and my friends all do the same and look their age. I would assume the amount has to be well above 1-2 gram range of they are experiencing that type of extreme oxidation & stress

Im not saying AAS dont cause it, just that rhe abuse has to be high. Look at many early 20s Brazilian classic guys, they look like they are well into their late 30s and early 40s, but you contrast with recreational or guys who aren’t willing to do as much and the difference is night and day.

 

[unid888]

What you order from Temu vs what you get lol
He's a heavy user, average 2,5 - 3 ,5 grams all year round. That 450 mast a day is a fact, i remember him saying it. Guys like vigorous believe that mast ages you faster other compounds and it makes your face dry and wrinkly.

I don't know what mistakes he has done in the past but i saw a video of him at a younger age and he looked very good, like he had the genetics to be something good. He was obviously still small but balanced, rounder with a very good skin. Now he looks like death.. it's pretty sad.



He is taking dutasteride, don't know though for how many years.



He's also done hair transplant and I'm pretty sure the after pic is current.

That is absolutely crazy that he's on dutasteride + transplant and still without a good hairline. You really can't play with dht derivatives unless they're at very low dosages or short exposure time.

 

[BabaJagga]

How is blocking DHT degeneration? Going bald is one of the worst things you could do to your appearance.

strongly disagree. shaving my head since i was 14, bearded since i was 15. clean, shaved head with nice beard which is cut to shape every week and im very happy how i look. i had weird hair genetics and it looked bad.

 

[unid888]

strongly disagree. shaving my head since i was 14, bearded since i was 15. clean, shaved head with nice beard which is cut to shape every week and im very happy how i look. i had weird hair genetics and it looked bad.

1 in 10'000 genetic phenom. Most will look objectively worse or much worse when bald.

 

[BabaJagga]

1 in 10'000 genetic phenom. Most will look objectively worse or much worse when bald.

again, i disagree. plenty of guys here that are bald and bearded. add tattos to it and they look great. i personally know handfull of guys that have full head of hair and still shave it with razor or cut down to nothing.

if you care about women, many of them like that. kind of "manly" look. add muscle and you look like factory for testosterone.
many of them prefer that look, many of them dont care and ofc, there is some % that wanna nice hair but at the end of the day, it doesnt matter.

its not 1 in 10.000, not even close.