Best diet to bulk ideas?

[Dw725]

On the other hand, more and more research piles up on the negative health impacts of eating processed food on a daily basis

What do you consider processed? Where do you draw the line?

Do you hunt and kill all your own meat? And only consume homegrown vegetables/fruits?

If not, nearly everything has been processed in one way or another.

I think I know where most people draw the line for processed/not processed, but I'm just playing devils advocate here.

 

[Dw725]

Looking at your profile pic

Oh boy here we go....

 

[DrankSlangin]

Processed food with a propensity to be high in calories? I agree. All of the health impacts you're referring to correlate to obesity, not processed foods.. whatever that really means because it's a misleading clickbait term.

The arguments always fall back on calorie balance, and in the rare instances that they don't it falls back on a a combination of calorie balance and macro structure.

Sure but quality of calories are important as well. While those studies correlate to obesity, numerous studies have shown the link between processed food and obesity. And of course combined with poor lifestyle choices.

Someone who trains is unlikely to become obese, but they can help their bodies lessen fat gain while eating calories in a surplus. Cholesterol and blood pressure wouldn't rise as quickly, the body is healthier and thereby can utilize calories more efficiently.

Quality of calories are important, just as balance and macro structure are critical.

 

[DrankSlangin]

What do you consider processed? Where do you draw the line?

Do you hunt and kill all your own meat? And only consume homegrown vegetables/fruits?

If not, nearly everything has been processed in one way or another.

I think I know where most people draw the line for processed/not processed, but I'm just playing devils advocate here.

No I don’t. But there is a huge difference between a wrap and a sweet potato. Sausage and a steak.

You’re right fruits and vegetables could have all kinds of crap on them even if advertised as “organic”, but they still contain lots of micronutrients that should be consumed daily.

 

[Dw725]

You’re right fruits and vegetables could have all kinds of crap on them even if advertised as “organic”, but they still contain lots of micronutrients that should be consumed daily.

Never disagreed with this in the slightest .

 

[Eman]

numerous studies have shown the link between processed food and obesity

Because of calorie intake, not because of a food being processed.

Processed foods account for 55% of all dietary fiber, 48% of calcium, 43% of potassium, 34% of vitamin D, 64% of iron, 65% of folate, and 46% of vitamin B-12 in the average American diet. (Weaver CM, Dwyer J, Fulgoni VL, et al.)

 

[Dw725]

Because of calorie intake, not because of a food being processed.

Processed foods account for 55% of all dietary fiber, 48% of calcium, 43% of potassium, 34% of vitamin D, 64% of iron, 65% of folate, and 46% of vitamin B-12 in the average American diet. (Weaver CM, Dwyer J, Fulgoni VL, et al.)

U so smart

 

[DrankSlangin]

Because of calorie intake, not because of a food being processed.

Processed foods account for 55% of all dietary fiber, 48% of calcium, 43% of potassium, 34% of vitamin D, 64% of iron, 65% of folate, and 46% of vitamin B-12 in the average American diet. (Weaver CM, Dwyer J, Fulgoni VL, et al.)

So you are saying a diet rich in pepperoni, sausage and bacon will be as effective as one heavy in steak, salmon and chicken breast? As long as the calories and macros are met of course.

The average American diet is trash. Don’t eat like the average American.

 

[Eman]

So you are saying a diet rich in pepperoni, sausage and bacon will be as effective as one heavy in steak, salmon and chicken breast? As long as the calories and macros are met of course.

No, that's not what I'm saying...

However, if you can achieve calorie balance and proper macro structure with a diet rich in pepperoni, sausage and bacon... Then the difference won't really be that significant. But no one really does, or could, pull that off.

What I AM saying is that having some bacon or sausage in the morning with my eggs isn't going to turn my diet to trash so long as calorie balance and macro structure is generally adhered to. That doesn't equate to me eating it all day everyday... I personally can't really even fit bacon into my diet right now, just because it's too many calories to justify. Cereal, on the other hand, that processed goodness will fit until my dying breath lol... And I expect to achieve single digit bf relatively soon.

The average American diet is trash. Don’t eat like the average American.

That actually helps my point lol, imagine if those "processed" foods weren't enriched and fortified with the micronutrients that you're claiming they lack... Then the average diet would REALLY be trash. To your credit though, those same processed foods probably contributed to an over abundance of sugar, sodium, etc that werent healthy too... But to my point, it wasn't necessarily the fact that they were processed that made them unhealthy.

 

[Eman]

U so smart

Na lol, I'm just a fat kid at heart... I had to get just a little bit smarter out of necessity to be a leaner fat kid.

 

[Dw725]

Na lol, I'm just a fat kid at heart... I had to get just a little bit smarter out of necessity to be a leaner fat kid.

Preaching to the choir brother .

 

[DrankSlangin]

No, that's not what I'm saying...

However, if you can achieve calorie balance and proper macro structure with a diet rich in pepperoni, sausage and bacon... Then the difference won't really be that significant. But no one really does, or could, pull that off.

What I AM saying is that having some bacon or sausage in the morning with my eggs isn't going to turn my diet to trash so long as calorie balance and macro structure is generally adhered to. That doesn't equate to me eating it all day everyday... I personally can't really even fit bacon into my diet right now, just because it's too many calories to justify. Cereal, on the other hand, that processed goodness will fit until my dying breath lol... And I expect to achieve single digit bf relatively soon.

Maybe it doesn’t make a huge difference to eat overly processed shit if the majority of your intake is free from processed sugars, fillers and such, but it does make a difference. If you didn’t eat cereal nightly, you’d have arrived at single digit bf way faster. Cereal? C’mon @Eman . Why don’t you just drink sugar from a bag? It does taste damn good though.

That actually helps my point lol, imagine if those "processed" foods weren't enriched and fortified with the micronutrients that you're claiming they lack... Then the average diet would REALLY be trash. To your credit though, those same processed foods probably contributed to an over abundance of sugar, sodium, etc that werent healthy too... But to my point, it wasn't necessarily the fact that they were processed that made them unhealthy.

If they weren’t as processed with added sugar, sodium and fillers, there would be more room in that food for real food. Therefore higher quality and more calories, and higher density of micronutrients.

 

[Eman]

If you didn’t eat cereal nightly, you’d have arrived at single digit bf way faster. Cereal? C’mon @Eman . Why don’t you just drink sugar from a bag? It does taste damn good though.

Lol, it's a carb source and a very good one at that... You can have your prewo sweet potato, I'll stick to my cereal. Makes no difference on the timing it takes to get to the finish line.