Bedtime HGH Bolus

[Dagmoon650]

Doesn't matter when you take it as long as you don't eat for a good 4 hours after the shot. So if you get up at 3 AM and do cardio / train fasted and then don't eat until 7 am, that's fine. But as the dosages increase you MIGHT (not everyone, and some get the opposite effect) find that before bed is better because it makes you tired. What you want to avoid is taking it and then eating a bunch of carbs. That's how you get into trouble with insulin resistance and increased fasting blood glucose. Todd Lee has an iconic video where he talked about taking it like 4x per day, and as you know, apply the Todd Lee rule and invert, you want to do the exact opposite of that.

One exception I would say to the above would be if you are running a Keto diet. In that instance you might be able to dose it multiple times per day if you really wanted to. But really, if you're using it for the biggest IGF-1 spike possible, you want to hit a large bolus. Taking it multiple times per day for fat loss is a waste of time IMO. There's a lot of other things you can do to aid in fat loss that don't require potentially fucking around with your insulin sensitivity.

Personally, I take a bolus as close to bedtime as possible.

His video was based off a study on the max dose of gh a day being 30iu’s and the max nanomoles you can absorb at a time is 30nm of which you get 7.5nm from 2iu so 8iu doses 3x and 4iu before bed so his video on that was actually correct based off the study

Doesn't matter when you take it as long as you don't eat for a good 4 hours after the shot. So if you get up at 3 AM and do cardio / train fasted and then don't eat until 7 am, that's fine. But as the dosages increase you MIGHT (not everyone, and some get the opposite effect) find that before bed is better because it makes you tired. What you want to avoid is taking it and then eating a bunch of carbs. That's how you get into trouble with insulin resistance and increased fasting blood glucose. Todd Lee has an iconic video where he talked about taking it like 4x per day, and as you know, apply the Todd Lee rule and invert, you want to do the exact opposite of that.

One exception I would say to the above would be if you are running a Keto diet. In that instance you might be able to dose it multiple times per day if you really wanted to. But really, if you're using it for the biggest IGF-1 spike possible, you want to hit a large bolus. Taking it multiple times per day for fat loss is a waste of time IMO. There's a lot of other things you can do to aid in fat loss that don't require potentially fucking around with your insulin sensitivity.

Personally, I take a bolus as close to bedtime as possible.

 

[ablewelding]

I've always done a 10-15 unit pre-bed bolus. During peak blast phase, I get to 2 units with another pre-workout bolus (obviously, insulin is mandatory at these doses if your diet is high carb + high protein, zero/low fat).

With the pre-bed bolus, fat loss and recomposition are already evident after a week (without changing kcal or diet). At 25-30 units, it's a world apart.

Can you unpack this a bit for myself and anyone looking to learn from this in the future.

- when you add 2iu post training are you timing the insulin away from Igf?
- what’s your post training sequence? (Assuming training ends > gh+insulin > post training meal)
(Insulin would interfere with lipolysis but who cares at this point you got the bolus at bedtime for that)
- you used the words “units” so just to confirm you meant 25-30iu’s between bedtime plus post training?

 

[ablewelding]

Doesn't matter when you take it as long as you don't eat for a good 4 hours after the shot. So if you get up at 3 AM and do cardio / train fasted and then don't eat until 7 am, that's fine. But as the dosages increase you MIGHT (not everyone, and some get the opposite effect) find that before bed is better because it makes you tired. What you want to avoid is taking it and then eating a bunch of carbs. That's how you get into trouble with insulin resistance and increased fasting blood glucose. Todd Lee has an iconic video where he talked about taking it like 4x per day, and as you know, apply the Todd Lee rule and invert, you want to do the exact opposite of that.

One exception I would say to the above would be if you are running a Keto diet. In that instance you might be able to dose it multiple times per day if you really wanted to. But really, if you're using it for the biggest IGF-1 spike possible, you want to hit a large bolus. Taking it multiple times per day for fat loss is a waste of time IMO. There's a lot of other things you can do to aid in fat loss that don't require potentially fucking around with your insulin sensitivity.

Personally, I take a bolus as close to bedtime as possible.

Great contribution thanks! Insulin resistance is no joke and an important consideration.

 

[erk253]

This seems to be a popular method. When you take it post training can you confirm the sequencing? I’m assuming:
- training ends
- immediately as possible hgh injection
- wait 30-60 minutes (?) then eat post training meal
?

I take hgh immediately post workout with some dextrose.I’m not concerned about fasting at this point. Training days I split by dose before and after training. Non training days single bolus in the morning.

 

[DinoBB76]

Great contribution thanks! Insulin resistance is no joke and an important consideration.

My advice: don't complicate things. If you want to grow, this is the protocol with GH + insulin post-workout.

Finish your workout, go home, take GH, eat, and take insulin.

Everything must be calibrated with your blood sugar and your meal. If you don't know what you're doing, avoid it if you don't want to find yourself flat on your face and then in an ambulance with a hypoglycemic attack. GH and insulin are the key to growth. AAS doses aren't necessary after a while. If you juggle these two factors, you can easily stay at 750/1g max testosterone.

 

[RockyP]

His video was based off a study on the max dose of gh a day being 30iu’s and the max nanomoles you can absorb at a time is 30nm of which you get 7.5nm from 2iu so 8iu doses 3x and 4iu before bed so his video on that was actually correct based off the study

But it doesn’t matter if doing so gives you insulin resistance. It’s another example of Todd the autist missing the forest from the trees. And there’s another video, idk if it’s been taken down since, where he was staring into the camera talking about how his blood glucose was in the 500-600 range and not responding to insulin administration. I’d be VERY careful listening to anything he says.

 

[KOArtist]

I typically do night time bolus, but when my fbg/cgm stats are staying low, I sometimes “risk it” and do split dosing for the fasted cardio enhancement. Pin first thing am, fasted cardio 2.5ish hours later, eat a couple hours after, then bedtime pin too. You know, @Type-IIx cutting style

 

[setters]

Why not add AM bolus to the poll, based on other threads many people are doing this and are probably just voting for one-time bolus without reading the question closely.

 

[ablewelding]

Why not add AM bolus to the poll, based on other threads many people are doing this and are probably just voting for one-time bolus without reading the question closely.

You’re right that would have been interesting to differentiate. Sadly I’m unable to modify my post and therefore the poll…..

 

[BatmanVAR]

Bedtime bolus wrecked my sleep and made my morning fasted blood glucose much higher. Pinning in the morning fixed both of those issues.

 

[ablewelding]

My advice: don't complicate things. If you want to grow, this is the protocol with GH + insulin post-workout.

Finish your workout, go home, take GH, eat, and take insulin.

Everything must be calibrated with your blood sugar and your meal. If you don't know what you're doing, avoid it if you don't want to find yourself flat on your face and then in an ambulance with a hypoglycemic attack. GH and insulin are the key to growth. AAS doses aren't necessary after a while. If you juggle these two factors, you can easily stay at 750/1g max testosterone.

Can you shed some light on the effectiveness of using GH post training.

Post training take GH then eat soon after, this will cause an insulin spike which conflicts with lipolysis but that’s okay. The GH will also have the liver release IGF-1 but it’s not immediate and takes a while so it’s not about the immediate repair benefits. Well, GH causes (temporary) insulin resistance post injection so taking insulin will punch a hole through that resistance to shuttle glycogen and nutrients into the muscle. Doesn’t sound like the best way to use GH for post training? Wouldn’t it be better to just do the insulin post training and use GH sometime later at another point?

 

[DinoBB76]

Can you shed some light on the effectiveness of using GH post training.

Post training take GH then eat soon after, this will cause an insulin spike which conflicts with lipolysis but that’s okay. The GH will also have the liver release IGF-1 but it’s not immediate and takes a while so it’s not about the immediate repair benefits. Well, GH causes (temporary) insulin resistance post injection so taking insulin will punch a hole through that resistance to shuttle glycogen and nutrients into the muscle. Doesn’t sound like the best way to use GH for post training? Wouldn’t it be better to just do the insulin post training and use GH sometime later at another point?

No, I don't recommend it. Keep in mind that I only recommend post-workout GH to those who are familiar with insulin. For example, if you take 15 units of GH post-workout and your blood sugar rises significantly, you also need to adjust the insulin (not based on the meal, but on the blood sugar).

For example, post-workout, you eat 100g of rice cream + 60g of whey. Well, you might even need to take 12-15 units of insulin even if your meal is 8 units.

So, I recommend it to those who know what they're doing. For those who are new to it, take GH before bed or as soon as you wake up.