Any climbers?

[Deskoze38192]

Ill face to give the d2 flexion and the prone w to i. I’ve started to incorporate a lot more finger curls and external and internal rotations. I got a hangboard so i some finger training while at home.

The sloper pull ups sound like a good one. I haven’t even tried hanging on those yet. My favorite training is just doing routes on the tension board.

Campus board work is good too

Really the best training for climbing is climbing, but some specialty work to bring up weaknesses and hangboard work when you can’t be climbing is beneficial
The reason the best training for climbing is climbing is because you can’t simulate all the angles and positions effectively with anything else

 

[I6JQdr06]

I’ve only had access to a system board in the past 6 months. I can see how it would be a game changer and I keep meaning to spend more of my climbing time on it.

 

[KonsciousKing]

Campus board work is good too

Really the best training for climbing is climbing, but some specialty work to bring up weaknesses and hangboard work when you can’t be climbing is beneficial
The reason the best training for climbing is climbing is because you can’t simulate all the angles and positions effectively with anything else

That true. The times i make the most progress is when I’m consistently pushing myself on the wall, trying different moves I’m not use to

 

[KonsciousKing]

I’ve only had access to a system board in the past 6 months. I can see how it would be a game changer and I keep meaning to spend more of my climbing time on it.

It’s definitely fun too especially when you have some people trying hard with you. I messed up when we first got ours, i spent 3 days in the row going hard for hours a couple months ago and my fingers are finally just starting to recover lol

 

[Discard]

Anyone run HGH or secretagogues to aid with skin or tendon/ligament recovery between sessions?

 

[ThinBulk]

Anyone run HGH or secretagogues to aid with skin or tendon/ligament recovery between sessions?

I wanted to chime in here. I had previous old AAS and peptide experience, then started climbing about 2 years ago. Late 30s here so i wont be cracking 5.13, but i boulder a v6-v7 and can probably lead 5.11a outdoors. I can top rope 5.12 gym grades.

My first year was riddled with an old bum rotator cuff, a2 pull, multiple bicep tendonitis, etc. It forced a lot of weeks off. They were all acting up at the same time when I started on a Ipam/cjc no dac, bpc-157 cycle. After a long break, I sourced an HGH kit after getting bunk peptides, and recovery is a noticeable change using before bed post climb 2-3x per week.

All my climbing ailments have disappeared, and my tendons never feel over trained hitting it hard 3x per week. I'm doing more sport climbing which is easier on fingers, and started Emil's soft hang training every day at the same time, so it's difficult to break down sources of progress. Over the past month i've slowed on Emil's and have been doing max hangs 1-2x per week. I could easily push more.

I've been looking for a thread like this because reddit is no help.

 

[Discard]

That's great to hear. How many IU do you run for hgh post climb?

 

[ThinBulk]

2iu. I'm going to continue for a while for general wellness, and check back in after this kit is finished. I'm interested to see if tendons feel any worse after stopping for a few weeks.

As an add on, I'm also on 120mg of self prescribed trt after my doc thinks 400ng/dl looks great... This is new, but no real effect on anything.

 

[Discard]

2iu. I'm going to continue for a while for general wellness, and check back in after this kit is finished. I'm interested to see if tendons feel any worse after stopping for a few weeks.

As an add on, I'm also on 120mg of self prescribed trt after my doc thinks 400ng/dl looks great... This is new, but no real effect on anything.

I'm in similar same boat. I'm on prescribed 140mg/wk after testing 230 then 400.

I'm up about 10lbs in 6 weeks after being down about 75lbs in the past 2 years on glp1 therapy. My guess is most of it is water, some fat and a bit of muscle. It's tougher to carry up the wall but my recovery is great between that and HGH. I'm on 3.5iu every night.

 

[ThinBulk]

I'm in similar same boat. I'm on prescribed 140mg/wk after testing 230 then 400.

I'm up about 10lbs in 6 weeks after being down about 75lbs in the past 2 years on glp1 therapy. My guess is most of it is water, some fat and a bit of muscle. It's tougher to carry up the wall but my recovery is great between that and HGH. I'm on 3.5iu every night.

It sounds like you should get some great results from that. HGH even in ghrp form leans me out like crazy, and it doesn't quickly rebound. My blood sugar is very good though, so that's something to watch.

Are you new to climbing, or what are your climbing stats and progress? I'd like to hear more experiences on higher IU.

IME, skin issues solved themselves in under a year on nothing. If i hit prickly limestone a few times, it's hard to use a keyboard because my finger tips thicken so quickly. If you still have issues, Joshua Tree climbing salve will help a lot.

 

[Discard]

It sounds like you should get some great results from that. HGH even in ghrp form leans me out like crazy, and it doesn't quickly rebound. My blood sugar is very good though, so that's something to watch.

Are you new to climbing, or what are your climbing stats and progress? I'd like to hear more experiences on higher IU.

IME, skin issues solved themselves in under a year on nothing. If i hit prickly limestone a few times, it's hard to use a keyboard because my finger tips thicken so quickly. If you still have issues, Joshua Tree climbing salve will help a lot.

I've been climbing for about 2.5 years now. It was a powerful motivator for seeing changes in my weight and composition. Outside, I've only sported climbed. Inside, I'll boulder and sport climb. Outside I'm doing 5.10s and projecting in the 5.11 range. Inside, sport climbing is about the same. At my soft gym I'm at my limit at v5-7, and the tougher set gym around v4-6.

I saw good recovery with ghrp/ghrh peptides. I may switch back to them after I finish these HGH kits for price. They've all been helpful with leaning out. I need to do more on my part as far as nutrition goes.

For skin, long sessions leave things pretty raw. I think taking the time to get adapted to higher volume was most helpful.

The extra weight from trt is tougher on my fingers right now. I'm hoping they'll get stronger as well.

My trt doc let me know that anavar is an option. I'm still researching this to see if it would be helpful or worth the risks/outcomes with my goals, one of which is to remain injury free.

 

[mjkt7311]

Tbh I'm wondering if taking GH over months/years accelerates finger strength

You hear "tendons take years to grow" / "finger strength takes years to develop" as a climber, which is true--how much faster is it on 3-4iu of GH + 250mcg BPC/day, let's say?

This hypothetical stack would be for both injury prevention and tendon strength/growth purposes. Can't find much on it though. The bodybuilding/gear use community and the climbing community have very little overlap.

EDIT: Can't find much on it *for tendon growth / sports recovery purposes specifically*, rather than for injury healing

 

[clearheaded]

Tbh I'm wondering if taking GH over months/years accelerates finger strength

You hear "tendons take years to grow" / "finger strength takes years to develop" as a climber, which is true--how much faster is it on 3-4iu of GH + 250mcg BPC/day, let's say?

This hypothetical stack would be for both injury prevention and tendon strength/growth purposes. Can't find much on it though. The bodybuilding/gear use community and the climbing community have very little overlap.

EDIT: Can't find much on it *for tendon growth / sports recovery purposes specifically*, rather than for injury healing

I would not take BPC long term for anything never mind theory u have that it helps finger tendon grow/stronger.

BPC works same as antidepressants which also show tendon bone healing.. animal models of course, like BPC.. which mostly happen because of less stress/movement. also BPC has cancer risk which is not worth increasing tendons strength.. unless ur tendons are breaking ur fine..

 

[TheJuiceIsLoose69]

Why wouldn't low dose anavar be helpful? Doesn't it increase collagen synthesis?

BPC never really did much for me, I want to try TB500 and see if I get a better effect

 

[ThinBulk]

Why wouldn't low dose anavar be helpful? Doesn't it increase collagen synthesis?

BPC never really did much for me, I want to try TB500 and see if I get a better effect.

In climbing it's extremely important to avoid being pumped. I just started taking var at 20mg pwo only. Hopefully I can see some difference from the collagen studies on a new hurt tendon.

So far, var + trt is going well, but I can't push myself hard yet. Muscular endurance for repeat efforts is noticeably higher.

 

[TheJuiceIsLoose69]

I know all about the pump, I've climbed for years. I'm new to PEDS though Aha.

I'm really keen to hear how it goes for you!

There has to be a super climbing stack one could use.
I bet some mitochondrial boosters would be a cheat code for long multi pitch routes.

 

[ThinBulk]

It's great to see another climber here. If my finger heals up enough, ill be trying to knock out a 15 pitch mountain very soon.

Preliminary for me says PEDs are a lot less useful in long route climbing than other sports. Im not very far into real experiments though. As an older climber, hgh helps a lot for training volume on fingers over the longer term. I have chronic tendon issues between fingers and biceps.

The things I've yet to experiment with fully (while volume climbing) are var, eq, ostarine, and cardarine. Test is great, but I need to diet harder to keep weight from getting crazy.

 

[TheJuiceIsLoose69]

It's great to see another climber here. If my finger heals up enough, ill be trying to knock out a 15 pitch mountain very soon.

Preliminary for me says PEDs are a lot less useful in long route climbing than other sports. Im not very far into real experiments though. As an older climber, hgh helps a lot for training volume on fingers over the longer term. I have chronic tendon issues between fingers and biceps.

The things I've yet to experiment with fully (while volume climbing) are var, eq, ostarine, and cardarine. Test is great, but I need to diet harder to keep weight from getting crazy.

I agree, one of the things I have been concerned about is putting on way to much mass.

You almost need to counter the drug load with a reduction of food.

Both of my elbows hurting has turned into my life LOL

I'm still pretty young at 27, however since going on TRT everything is changing quickly for me. I'm very interested to see if I can bust through my current level.

I imagine there is some usefulness of PEDs in climbing, but the how and why still needs to be sused out.

I'll happily share what's going on with me and the results here with my testing

 

[ThinBulk]

I agree, one of the things I have been concerned about is putting on way to much mass.

You almost need to counter the drug load with a reduction of food.

Both of my elbows hurting has turned into my life LOL

I'm still pretty young at 27, however since going on TRT everything is changing quickly for me. I'm very interested to see if I can bust through my current level.

I imagine there is some usefulness of PEDs in climbing, but the how and why still needs to be sused out.

I'll happily share what's going on with me and the results here with my testing

Please share as you go. I have over a decade on you. My climbing progress is extremely dependent on the amount of days im able to climb. My joints and fingers are in protest. Things that increase endurance, collagen turnover, and healing are getting the priority now.

 

[the~club~bro]

i watched free solo a few days ago and it got me thinking.. do you guys think that honnold was running any kind of strength orals for his record breaking free solo climbs? the comment above about needing to avoid pumps is a really interesting point .. man .. dunno how honnold was able to do it, just watching that movie makes my stomach churn