Honestly i got into the testosterone scene because at 42 years old, i was hitting the gym for jiu jitsu 5 days a week, i managed to lose about 100 lbs from being morbidly obese, this is all without any drugs or medical interference, but i was hitting a wall and noticed no matter how much i trained or rested or adjusted my diet, my energy levels were totally shit. my PCP tested my testosterone and found i was at 248 ng/dl, and prescribed me something like 80mg a week. that got me up to 257 ng/dl, but didnt really give me much difference in feeling. He was using a reference range of 300-700 ng/dl. he refused to increase the dosage any further stating that any improvement was better than none. so i found a dr at a clinic who happened to specialize in this stuff and has helped some of my training partners and he explained his theory that over time men's testosterone levels have declined due to the crap we eat breathe etc. he said he believes men were intended to be above 2000ng/dl as a standard by nature but the way the medical community operates, rather than addressing the problem, they just adjust the reference range to the average levels of current patients. being not a Dr, i went along with what he said as it made sense to me. and on his dosage ive felt better than i ever have in my whole life. i believe once i get the e2 in check and my dosage balanced, i can still do great things before old age kick in
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There's kind of a lot to unpack here.
You have to be careful with doctors at clinics. A lot of them are snake oil salesmen. There's no evidence for the claim that men used to produce more testosterone. We weren't testing the testosterone levels of paleolithic men or even of men 50 years ago. We simply don't know. I am suspicious of any doctor who makes a living peddling hormones that makes this claim.
I mean, listen - if you're getting itchy nipples and having to take a harsh, nasty drug (which your doctor massively overprescribed) to counter the side effects of this supposedly "natural" testosterone level, doesn't that tell you something is wrong with his claim? Were all these mighty men of old walking around with itchy nips and bitch tits? I doubt it.
When did you get this 257 ng/dl number? My guess is that it was in the deepest part of your trough. So you were most likely much higher the day after your injection.
I'll just tell you that 560/wk is a monstrous "TRT" dose, and I don't think it's healthy or sustainable in the long term. Furthermore, it's likely that your average total test level is somewhere in the 4000 range or even higher on that dose. This means your doctor is massively overshooting his mark of 2000, which is too high to begin with (I'm talking the average level here, not just on day five after your last injection). Honestly, it sounds like this guy either doesn't know what he's doing or doesn't care. I'm in the MMA/BJJ world - the reason your BJJ buddies like him is that he's giving them a prescription to straight up juice.
For reference, 100mg of TRT administered subq daily keeps me right around 1000-1100 total. I'm in my mid-40s. I'm not at all claiming to be awesome or amazing or anything because I'm clearly not, but that is me in my profile pic, so that gives you some idea of what is possible at a dose much lower than you are currently on. And in fact, I'm sure many could do much better.
This doctor sounds janky to me. Of course, it's up to you, but my advice would be to find a new doctor, cut your dose back to around 150-ish, administer more frequently, and drop the AI entirely.
I hope that helps, my man. Just want you to be healthy and happy. Please give it some thought.
You have to be careful with doctors at clinics. A lot of them are snake oil salesmen. There's no evidence for the claim that men used to produce more testosterone. We weren't testing the testosterone levels of paleolithic men or even of men 50 years ago. We simply don't know. I am suspicious of any doctor who makes a living peddling hormones that makes this claim.
I mean, listen - if you're getting itchy nipples and having to take a harsh, nasty drug (which your doctor massively overprescribed) to counter the side effects of this supposedly "natural" testosterone level, doesn't that tell you something is wrong with his claim? Were all these mighty men of old walking around with itchy nips and bitch tits? I doubt it.
When did you get this 257 ng/dl number? My guess is that it was in the deepest part of your trough. So you were most likely much higher the day after your injection.
I'll just tell you that 560/wk is a monstrous "TRT" dose, and I don't think it's healthy or sustainable in the long term. Furthermore, it's likely that your average total test level is somewhere in the 4000 range or even higher on that dose. This means your doctor is massively overshooting his mark of 2000, which is too high to begin with (I'm talking the average level here, not just on day five after your last injection). Honestly, it sounds like this guy either doesn't know what he's doing or doesn't care. I'm in the MMA/BJJ world - the reason your BJJ buddies like him is that he's giving them a prescription to straight up juice.
For reference, 100mg of TRT administered subq daily keeps me right around 1000-1100 total. I'm in my mid-40s. I'm not at all claiming to be awesome or amazing or anything because I'm clearly not, but that is me in my profile pic, so that gives you some idea of what is possible at a dose much lower than you are currently on. And in fact, I'm sure many could do much better.
This doctor sounds janky to me. Of course, it's up to you, but my advice would be to find a new doctor, cut your dose back to around 150-ish, administer more frequently, and drop the AI entirely.
I hope that helps, my man. Just want you to be healthy and happy. Please give it some thought.
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not ruling anything out at this point, but that may be the winning idea here. gonna start using goodlabs and running more frequent bloodwork to dial in. id definitely love to cut out the AI use
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Yes and AI destroys the joints immediately. You can search these forums and it's the main response from many. Not all, but many.
Secondly it's removing E at the tissue level, so the next becomes CNS driven, and leads to deceased strength and pain in the body resembling inflammation in many cases. Also lethargy.
This is a common practice by catch all clinics in response to this. Instead there are other alternatives. I would utilized a DHT derivative even at low dose which antagonizes the ER in the breast tissue. For instance 150 to 200 Mast. If this isn't available to you, then tamoxifen, and raloxifen are both staples, however, be aware while they primarily target the breast tissue, they also take estrogen from elsewhere in the body. Don't fall into the stereotypical PCT regimen dosing as this is also incorrect "bro science regurgitation" these meds were study to be highly effective in breast cancer patients at lower dosing and the studies are available to confirm.
This is highly recommended and if you research... it remedies many issues by keeping steady serum levels. Most don't like the small burden, but it changes things dramatically. This is not just a remedy during trt or cruise, but also heavy cycles.
Don't chase the number with AI, this is repeated constantly here, and most don't know what they're doing. This is dumb. The number on labs doesn't show the full picture. You must distinguish between side effects that are tolerable until the body reaches a level of homeostasis. Unfortunately the average person isn't giving this a reasonable opportunity to occur with consistent blast and cruise routines. AI fixes the number but breaks the whole system while doing so. If your goal is to have a taxing burden in reference to androgen load, you must target the biology of the body allowing estrogen to reciprocate.
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im not opposed to looking into a dht derivative. also not opposed to adjusting total dosage or frequency of injections. in fact im willing to do absolutely whatever is necessary for peak performance vs harm reduction. more interested in performance over harm reduction but i came here to learn so this is the kind of stuff i need to hear about. im wondering if a good place to start is cutting my weekly dose in half solidly and keeping up with every 3 days injections. id be down to try mast on top if there isnt a detriment to my on the mat performance. im in no way a top competitor but id like to be the best i can be
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No problem man, I'm happy to help with gents that will listen. By no means am I an expert. But I've made mistakes, researched till I developed cataracts. Haha
I'm really deep diving into E lately, and ultimately of the opinion it needs to stop being referred to as an enemy. To many dudes are → suicide it with AI. It needs to be managed, balanced, and revered for it's benefits as long as you aren't receiving negative feedback side effects.
