Advice to get money to be independent?

[Hightower]

I'm an anti-natalist in that I view life as a negative. In other words it's best not to procreate and bring other beings into the world to suffer, that goes for all life forms with consciousness. No life----No suffering.

And since that is my position I don't see the need in romantic relationships either.

Sex is another thing, if you can have sex safely without getting an STD(I've had a really nasty STD that I thought was gonna kill me) then enjoy yourself.

How did I arrive at this path that most would consider depressing and dark. Especially since I never married or had any kids.

Simple, I had 5 step dads growing up. I even met one of my dads while I was eating my cereal before heading off to middle school as he came out of moms bedroom and introduced himself as my new dad. I've seen a lot of vicious fighting and arguments growing up.

I've seen a world of shit and I know the world is shit. I'm under no illusions as to how the world works. I wish it wasn't a huge pile of shit, but it is and there's nothing any of us can do about it except try to do our best to not cause harm to others and to ourselves.

You gotta face the facts, if this world was created by a supreme being he must have been a evil fucking lunatic to create a world where you live by killing through the most painful means possible.....you couldn't come up with a more sadistic system if you tried.

Life is just a 4 billion year old DNA looking for the most optimal way to reproduce, it doesn't give a shit what any of us think it only wants to reproduce and if you have the intelligence and means then you can make sure your DNA doesn't have a chance to do what it wants most.

Thank you for your kind description of your position, now I understand. But he is very incomprehensible to me. And in childhood, too, there were several stepfathers, and my childhood was so bad and my happiness was not enough. But this did not prevent me from creating a happy family and my children grow up in care and love. I believe that each of us build our own lives.

 

[Hightower]

Then why amass wealth, especially with no future generation to pad it along to?

So he can accumulate it for himself. Again, earning is like a goal from a sporting interest. For the good of himself and for his own sake, he can do so.

 

[Hightower]

Gentlemen, such a question, is it really impossible to make yourself happy, I make others happy by helping them. You can help the poor, help animal shelters. After all, in the end you make your loved ones happy and from this you yourself become happy. I don't think it's a utopia. After all, not only money and goods in this world are goals.

 

[hijoshiki]

Thank you for your kind description of your position, now I understand. But he is very incomprehensible to me. And in childhood, too, there were several stepfathers, and my childhood was so bad and my happiness was not enough. But this did not prevent me from creating a happy family and my children grow up in care and love. I believe that each of us build our own lives.

Each of us have our own personality and drive.

Having a family wouldn't make me happy(it would have given me nightmares) because I'd be creating problems that I never needed to create. I would have brought someone into the world that I know is gonna have more suffering than pleasure.

To me relationships can be summed up in one word: Chaos.

I once came close to marriage in my very early 30's, but I sabotaged it because I knew I was giving up freedom and I knew that I would make a lousy husband and father because of my extreme views. And most importantly I knew that I would never be able to retire and I would be stuck in a world ruled by emotions.

My personality is that of a loner, I never hugged my mother, I don't show emotions. When I started meditating in my mid 30's for long hours I realized that I could turn off completely from the world, desire, impulse, pain and that's when I found the freedom I was really looking for.

I look around at the world and see most people causing their own problems. They eat, spend, love, cry and want too much, they keep riding a roller coaster over and over. I stepped off and waved them goodbye as I can't see a point in this madness.

 

[Hightower]

Each of us have our own personality and drive.

Having a family wouldn't make me happy(it would have given me nightmares) because I'd be creating problems that I never needed to create. I would have brought someone into the world that I know is gonna have more suffering than pleasure.

To me relationships can be summed up in one word: Chaos.

I once came close to marriage in my very early 30's, but I sabotaged it because I knew I was giving up freedom and I knew that I would make a lousy husband and father because of my extreme views. And most importantly I knew that I would never be able to retire and I would be stuck in a world ruled by emotions.

My personality is that of a loner, I never hugged my mother, I don't show emotions. When I started meditating in my mid 30's for long hours I realized that I could turn off completely from the world, desire, impulse, pain and that's when I found the freedom I was really looking for.

I look around at the world and see most people causing their own problems. They eat, spend, love, cry and want too much, they keep riding a roller coaster over and over. I stepped off and waved them goodbye as I can't see a point in this madness.

I wrote above about this, that you do not strive for a family and are quite happy to be single. And this is of course your right, and as you rightly noted, we are all different and everyone receives happiness from different sources and everyone sees life differently and builds it based on their desires.
And the fact that a person sometimes creates problems for himself and suffers is also true.

 

[hijoshiki]

The original question was how to get money.

There are three pointless pursuits in life.....money, religion, war.

Money is a figment of the imagination just like religion. It's created out of thin air. Tracing it back to the point of creation, the system by design is based on one concept.....debt that can never and I mean never be paid off. Thus securing the states monopoly on power.

Only if you destroy the Central Bank, the Federal Reserve can you free yourself from debt which is slavery.

When you clock into work, or go to work. Do you think you're entering a place of freedom. Fuck No. You are a slave. You walk on eggshells, you drop your pants on command for those sitting at the top of the hierarchy and spread your cheeks as you bite down on the towel as they take turns raping your ass. These people aren't interested in money, they are far past those concerns, they lust for power, humiliation, this is what gets their rocks off.

This is why I laugh when people claim capitalism is freedom. Neither is communism or socialism for that matter as they are all based on money and all of them will demand a pound of your flesh or in the case of communism your whole corpse.

Regardless of these truths, mankind is living in a middle period. To weak to turn off the machine that exploits him, too primitive to go ahead and toss away old ideas of money and religion and embrace a technology that frees him from the toils of slavery.

I've always said to sit down and write out what you need to survive. These things should be in the grasps of every man, women and child on this planet, but the money system has created artificial scarcity and of course the consumer culture has directed our efforts into pointless pursuits that continuously have us on a wheel of perpetual needless suffering.

The fact that a human lives in terror of being homeless, hungry, sick in this day and age is truly pathetic when we have all the resources to address these concerns.

Money by design breeds mistrust. Can you trust the dentist that needs to pay off his new sports car, how about the surgeon that lost $100K gambling last week. You go into this system knowing in the back of your mind you're getting fucked sooner or later. The current system can't afford to be ethical, it is by design a game of a few winners and lots of losers and we are seeing this play out with astronomical inflation where 1% rapidly gobbling up everything to keep us under their thumb. They used to invest in companies....not anymore. They're buying up the things you need to survive on a most basic level....an apartment for $2000K a month, a house for $800K. Where do you think this leads, how many homeless people will this create and yet they will still be brainwashed to believe in capitalism.

 

[malfeasance]

Gee. That's dark.

I hope you life gets better. I really do.


Folks pay me lots of money to improve situations for them. I don't feel much like a slave. I don't walk on eggshells or drop my pants and bite on a towel or any of that other stuff you wrote.

Maybe you need to find another way to make money, one that leads to both you and the party paying feeling like you are both better off for it.

 

[Hightower]

Something just makes you feel bad. Hope everything works out for you. But I also do not feel like a slave, I have a good job and this allows me to improve the conditions of my family.
Indeed, if you are so oppressed by what you wrote about, maybe you just have the wrong job or work too much and you just need to relax.

 

[1tank1]

Gee. That's dark.

I hope you life gets better. I really do.


Folks pay me lots of money to improve situations for them. I don't feel much like a slave. I don't walk on eggshells or drop my pants and bite on a towel or any of that other stuff you wrote.

Maybe you need to find another way to make money, one that leads to both you and the party paying feeling like you are both better off for it.

I agree his post was a bit dark in places but he did make some valid points about wage slavery and the regimentality in a lot of jobs/careers (especially for workers with financial responsibilities/kids etc).
Most workers in menial/average jobs do walk on eggshells and get shafted by bosses on a daily basis coz they're basically replaceable robots given employment to just do as they are told without having an opinion or a voice.

I've had jobs where I had to ask permission just to go to the toilet, or quickly eat a sandwich if I was really hungry, so I can relate to some of his views about being in the rat-race of modern society and being treated almost inhumanly at times.

The rich get richer and treated with respect whilst the poor keep getting poorer and nobody cares or listens to them and being abused at work is just a normal part of their daily rigmarole. That's the harsh reality of the world.

 

[hijoshiki]

I agree his post was a bit dark in places but he did make some valid points about wage slavery and the regimentality in a lot of jobs/careers (especially for workers with financial responsibilities/kids etc).
Most workers in menial/average jobs do walk on eggshells and get shafted by bosses on a daily basis coz they're basically replaceable robots given employment to just do as they are told without having an opinion or a voice.

I've had jobs where I had to ask permission just to go to the toilet, or quickly eat a sandwich if I was really hungry, so I can relate to some of his views about being in the rat-race of modern society and being treated almost inhumanly at times.

The rich get richer and treated with respect whilst the poor keep getting poorer and nobody cares or listens to them and being abused at work is just a normal part of their daily rigmarole. That's the harsh reality of the world.

Yes this is what happens in real life to millions of workers.

The hierarchy places certain people in positions that are completely against nature. In nature these tyrants that treat people like shit would be hoisted into the air at the tip of a spear and probably cooked and eaten with delight.

Barbarians had this mindset, they simply weren't gonna be a bitch to the Romans and so they kicked Romes ass.

That said we are long past that point. It's money that has allowed these tyrants to treat the majority of humanity as their inferior. A system set up to create wealth out of thin air performing work that doesn't actually accomplish anything. And to use this same system to enslave the majority to work that is looked down upon or considered demeaning for the upper crust.

What kind of work is it to tell someone when they can and can't go to the bathroom, how much time they get to finish their sandwich. Who the hell came up with such a system and expects to be paid for such a task.

It's a system that could be reversed over night. It just takes standing together to tell those in charge they're no longer in charge. Explain that you'll not only take a piss when you want, you'll be pissing in their mouth if they don't keep quite.

 

[hijoshiki]

Eliminating power the individual.

This is the Great Reset that no longer works in favor of globalists and oligarchs, towards the silver spoon rich that keep themselves in power by birth-rite and legacy. We simply set the entire system back to zero and we have this system reset over and over and over like clockwork so the elites that make up the sophisticated con-artist class of society are constantly watching their purpose in life, which is to exploit and control, be ripped out from under them again and again, until they finally get the message that parasites will no longer be tolerated.

There are only so many 1%, we have been brainwashed to respect and even admire these cocksuckers at our own expense.

How it serves a man or women to work like a slave, take orders like a slave, to cower down like a slave, to go deep into debt for just the basics of life is beyond me and to not only tolerate it, but dream of the day they to will be able to treat others like a pile of shit.....which of course never happens.

Setting up a society so it is impossible for any individual to assume power over another would be a system that could help to free mankind of much that causes despair, to know that you will be greeted by an equal and not a cocksucker waiting to harass, could lead to a much higher level of happiness overall, instead of the current mindset which is "are you willing to be used, plundered and sacrificed" for the entertainment of elites.

 

[adamcarpenter]

Gentlemen, such a question, is it really impossible to make yourself happy, I make others happy by helping them. You can help the poor, help animal shelters. After all, in the end you make your loved ones happy and from this you yourself become happy. I don't think it's a utopia. After all, not only money and goods in this world are goals.

No it is not impossible it is totally possible. Most of the negativity in this thread is self centered materialist garbage. It’s what happens when men are failing to follow their telos. It’s a spiritual issue, which is to say it is a problem with how they are living their life and what they are focused on. We have a purpose.

Take part in creation. Have kids. Take care of your kids and make sure they get further in life than you did. Yes modern women are shit, but so are most modern men. Do better. A woman can make you immortal. Take advantage of it.

You can’t survive and be the fittest by failing at the one thing everyone that came before you succeeded in. Life’s purpose is to create life.

 

[Demondosage]

Having a son was the best thing that ever happened to me. I’m not wealthy by any means, I spend money on fun times and trips with the family and I love it. I’m that guy that will spend $100 I don’t have to spend and figure it out after we get back that day. And I always come out ok, you can’t get time back. Do ppl who are loaded really appear that much happier? Because it’s funny how poor ppl who have nothing can still find happiness with the simple things in life. I’m not saying not to strive for comfort and financial stability, but damn it gets old only chasing the buck and being alone and letting opportunity and good times pass you by.

 

[hijoshiki]

No it is not impossible it is totally possible. Most of the negativity in this thread is self centered materialist garbage. It’s what happens when men are failing to follow their telos. It’s a spiritual issue, which is to say it is a problem with how they are living their life and what they are focused on. We have a purpose.

Take part in creation. Have kids. Take care of your kids and make sure they get further in life than you did. Yes modern women are shit, but so are most modern men. Do better. A woman can make you immortal. Take advantage of it.

You can’t survive and be the fittest by failing at the one thing everyone that came before you succeeded in. Life’s purpose is to create life.

Our intended purpose isn't that far off from animals. Males rarely stick around to raise young in the wild. Your DNA doesn't care how you parent, it just wants you to keep life going regardless of how it turns out. It has absolutely no view on morality or spirituality.

Over socialization is the result of "always" doing what is expected(this is what society rewards). You become predictable. If I prescribe your purpose in life then there's really no reason to even live life, because it's just a series of small and big goals one passes through until the day comes when they go back into diapers and dentures.

Making sure your kids are further ahead then you. That's the exact problem that I'm referencing. If kids are expected to become the eventual elites or leaders they will be the new assholes on the block and that is what I'm trying to prevent. We don't need more cocksuckers in this world, we're all stocked up.

Don't train your kids to take their position at the top of the food chain. Train them to be warriors that fight for all people to make sure there aren't tyrants telling people when they can piss and shit and how long they have to wipe their ass before they get written up.

For another human to subordinate another is one of the great tragedies of mankind. This process of over socialization has turned off our animal nature to make it easy to manipulate and control those that would dare to break with established order. It takes a thousand times more courage to undo your socialization and become unpredictable, ungovernable.

Rome collapsed for a reason, because of the great divide between the elites and the common man(like we see today). The common man got tired of the bullshit of being treated like subjects, the elites could no longer convince the common they had a right to rule. Barbarians finished off the rest as they remained wild and true to our real nature which is to become extremely violent when faced with tyranny.

Could you tell these people when they can piss and shit?

 

[adamcarpenter]

Our intended purpose isn't that far off from animals. Males rarely stick around to raise young in the wild. Your DNA doesn't care how you parent, it just wants you to keep life going regardless of how it turns out. It has absolutely no view on morality or spirituality.

Over socialization is the result of "always" doing what is expected(this is what society rewards). You become predictable. If I prescribe your purpose in life then there's really no reason to even live life, because it's just a series of small and big goals one passes through until the day comes when they go back into diapers and dentures.

Making sure your kids are further ahead then you. That's the exact problem that I'm referencing. If kids are expected to become the eventual elites or leaders they will be the new assholes on the block and that is what I'm trying to prevent. We don't need more cocksuckers in this world, we're all stocked up.

Don't train your kids to take their position at the top of the food chain. Train them to be warriors that fight for all people to make sure there aren't tyrants telling people when they can piss and shit and how long they have to wipe their ass before they get written up.

For another human to subordinate another is one of the great tragedies of mankind. This process of over socialization has turned off our animal nature to make it easy to manipulate and control those that would dare to break with established order. It takes a thousand times more courage to undo your socialization and become unpredictable, ungovernable.

Rome collapsed for a reason, because of the great divide between the elites and the common man(like we see today). The common man got tired of the bullshit of being treated like subjects, the elites could no longer convince the common they had a right to rule. Barbarians finished off the rest as they remained wild and true to our real nature which is to become extremely violent when faced with tyranny.

Could you tell these people when they can piss and shit?

By getting further in life than you, I don’t necessarily mean money, or power, or status (although that may be a result).

Rome was not created by the same men that presided over its collapse. There is such a thing as wisdom and virtue among leaders. Individuals and groups can and frequently do become more than beasts.

Cooperation among men is possible. Men that cannot restrain themselves need to be subjugated, but virtuous men who can act with restraint find it easy to cooperate voluntarily with others for a larger purpose.

Yes history is littered with tyrants and worse. It is also full of great men and wise leaders. It is not all just various shades of slavery.

 

[hijoshiki]

By getting further in life than you, I don’t necessarily mean money, or power, or status (although that may be a result).

Rome was not created by the same men that presided over its collapse. There is such a thing as wisdom and virtue among leaders. Individuals and groups can and frequently do become more than beasts.

Cooperation among men is possible. Men that cannot restrain themselves need to be subjugated, but virtuous men who can act with restraint find it easy to cooperate voluntarily with others for a larger purpose.

Yes history is littered with tyrants and worse. It is also full of great men and wise leaders. It is not all just various shades of slavery.

Cooperation with a state is a denial of freedom. It is really set up for women and children. A man that gets caught in this trap will and does perform any work he is told to do without question....slavery.

Virtuous men or passive?

Strong men or scared?

Wisdom, as in questioning and thinking which leads to a rejection of societies conventions and norms, or do we mean wiser that you don't go down that route and do as expected?

Is a wolf a wolf if he spends his time tied to a chain waiting for his master to bring him his daily slop? This wolf will live longer, he has less risk to injury, but he's in no way shape or form a wolf any longer.

 

[Villain]

Is a wolf a wolf if he spends his time tied to a chain waiting for his master to bring him his daily slop? This wolf will live longer, he has less risk to injury, but he's in no way shape or form a wolf any longer.

Genetically and for all intents and purposes, it is still a wolf. It just is not living as it is intended.

 

[hijoshiki]

Genetically and for all intents and purposes, it is still a wolf. It just is not living as it is intended.

It's a passive spectator cheering for the accomplishments of its master. Its stake in life is imaginary, sense of participation and self importance is delusional.

No difference from us that have traded a lifetime of labor for a hot shower. We are hand licking dogs that sniff the balls of our owners in trade for trinkets.

Waving the flag, taking pride in accomplishments that you had jack shit to do with. Watching Jeff Bezo's launch a bunch of scumbag rich fucks into space for 12 seconds while you bark like a trained seal.

This is civilization and it's embarrassing.

 

[Hightower]

No it is not impossible it is totally possible. Most of the negativity in this thread is self centered materialist garbage. It’s what happens when men are failing to follow their telos. It’s a spiritual issue, which is to say it is a problem with how they are living their life and what they are focused on. We have a purpose.

Take part in creation. Have kids. Take care of your kids and make sure they get further in life than you did. Yes modern women are shit, but so are most modern men. Do better. A woman can make you immortal. Take advantage of it.

You can’t survive and be the fittest by failing at the one thing everyone that came before you succeeded in. Life’s purpose is to create life.

Here is the true purpose of life to create a new life. When you live for yourself, it's like you live by half. As soon as you find a family, children. You seem to be reborn and you become truly happy that you can make loved ones happy.

 

[Hightower]

Having a son was the best thing that ever happened to me. I’m not wealthy by any means, I spend money on fun times and trips with the family and I love it. I’m that guy that will spend $100 I don’t have to spend and figure it out after we get back that day. And I always come out ok, you can’t get time back. Do ppl who are loaded really appear that much happier? Because it’s funny how poor ppl who have nothing can still find happiness with the simple things in life. I’m not saying not to strive for comfort and financial stability, but damn it gets old only chasing the buck and being alone and letting opportunity and good times pass you by.

This world definitely still has a chance to live. When there are people with such thinking. Happy is not the one who has everything, happy is the one who can be satisfied with what he has.
The most important thing in my life is the birth of my son. Everything else is less important, no matter how much I spend on my family. I'd rather hurt myself, but the family will have everything. And I'm happy about it. I agree about money. Only now my desire to earn more is justified by the fact that my family will live better.