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[hcgfiend123456]

So with the fact that jano admitted his struggles on raw powder testing....we see that jano constantly has low quality raw tests. Almost every raw test is below 90. You and I both know that it would be a freak situation if all raws coming out of china from all sources are very poor quality.. Or is it the jano admitted the issue and its his testing process that is the issue? Im going with jano vs all raws are bad. I dont understand how you still continue to push for jano? Why do you push the facts to the side? Does jano pay you? I mean its some what ignorant of you to not take all the facts in and make a common sense understanding that janos raw testing is in fact flawed. Even if you have issues with AB there is no reason someone of constructive thinking would still argue for jano testing. Its pretty obvious at this point right?

There are other labs available for use.

 

[Photon]

So with the fact that jano admitted his struggles on raw powder testing....we see that jano constantly has low quality raw tests. Almost every raw test is below 90. You and I both know that it would be a freak situation if all raws coming out of china from all sources are very poor quality.. Or is it the jano admitted the issue and its his testing process that is the issue? Im going with jano vs all raws are bad. I dont understand how you still continue to push for jano? Why do you push the facts to the side? Does jano pay you? I mean its some what ignorant of you to not take all the facts in and make a common sense understanding that janos raw testing is in fact flawed. Even if you have issues with AB there is no reason someone of constructive thinking would still argue for jano testing. Its pretty obvious at this point right?

You seem to have a notion that a higher number is more accurate, whereas I am trying to figure out where the difference is coming from. All labs may be correct, with different results, if they each are reporting something differently. A vendor was kind enough to send raws to AB, Jano and L4T which does provide insight into the process.



The first thing to acknowledge is that AB and Jano uses LC/MS whereas L4T uses NMR. NMR is insensitive, meaning it is a best case scenario, because it can't detect impurities when the purity drops.

And as expected, we see that L4T is consistently above Jano and AB in purity. Is the purity wrong? No, it is just the nature of the test being executed.

Now, when purity is actually good, you see consensus between all 3 labs. (Test C). The fact that there is no consensus between the other labs and L4T for other samples does validate the fact that the other raws are impure.

Now as purity starts to drop, as seen in both Jano and AB, they start to diverge, (Test D and Tren E), with Jano dropping quicker.

Could they be measuring something different due to a slightly different reference standard? Could AB be averaging it out? Smoothing it? Lagging? Less sensitive due to equipment? I am not arguing that either lab is right, i am trying to figure out where the difference is coming from. Is one a raw figure and the other smoothed?

I can understand that vendor selling raws or oils, would prefer the lab that gives a better figure. This vendor for instance, shops around and goes to a different lab to get better results when results are poor, then ignores the poor reports.

If AB was more active, it could be as simple as buying the reference sample from them and Jano and testing at a 3rd party lab. Or we could simply ask them about their testing process. Unfortunately, it's hard enough making payment for their services.

Post in thread 'OEP LABS Domestic'

Jan 30, 2026

ANALIZA BIALEK Analysis


Here are the results below

Lemme seee





We have different purity% for each raw except MENT.
Based off these purity %, which more accurately matches the mg/ml of the finish brew?

Looks like AB is 3-5% higher for all except MENT.

AB doesn't give the decimal places? It's all rounded figures?


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Post in thread 'OEP LABS Domestic'

Yesterday at 12:03 AM

Did Lab4Tox get back?
Looks like timeline is 2-3 weeks for AB and Lab4Tox 4 weeks?

yessir just heard from them myself I believe sample 3 delayed everyone a bit. Lab4tox did not find trace in sample 3 for Oxymetholone. However, Analyzer stated the oil was interfering with the measurement of the API signal. Here the reports

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[IndividualMan]

So with the fact that jano admitted his struggles on raw powder testing....we see that jano constantly has low quality raw tests. Almost every raw test is below 90. You and I both know that it would be a freak situation if all raws coming out of china from all sources are very poor quality.. Or is it the jano admitted the issue and its his testing process that is the issue? Im going with jano vs all raws are bad. I dont understand how you still continue to push for jano? Why do you push the facts to the side? Does jano pay you? I mean its some what ignorant of you to not take all the facts in and make a common sense understanding that janos raw testing is in fact flawed. Even if you have issues with AB there is no reason someone of constructive thinking would still argue for jano testing. Its pretty obvious at this point right?

isocap tested at 94% recently, MENT ace, Tren Ace and Tren E tested at 96%+. I dont think its the testing. its the methods of some labs not being sensitive enough for our purposes

 

[Cob]

You seem to have a notion that a higher number is more accurate, whereas I am trying to figure out where the difference is coming from. All labs may be correct, with different results, if they each are reporting something differently. A vendor was kind enough to send raws to AB, Jano and L4T which does provide insight into the process.

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The first thing to acknowledge is that AB and Jano uses LC/MS whereas L4T uses NMR. NMR is insensitive, meaning it is a best case scenario, because it can't detect impurities when the purity drops.

And as expected, we see that L4T is consistently above Jano and AB in purity. Is the purity wrong? No, it is just the nature of the test being executed.

Now, when purity is actually good, you see consensus between all 3 labs. (Test C). The fact that there is no consensus between the other labs and L4T for other samples does validate the fact that the other raws are impure.

Now as purity starts to drop, as seen in both Jano and AB, they start to diverge, (Test D and Tren E), with Jano dropping quicker.

Could they be measuring something different due to a slightly different reference standard? Could AB be averaging it out? Smoothing it? Lagging? Less sensitive due to equipment? I am not arguing that either lab is right, i am trying to figure out where the difference is coming from. Is one a raw figure and the other smoothed?

I can understand that vendor selling raws or oils, would prefer the lab that gives a better figure. This vendor for instance, shops around and goes to a different lab to get better results when results are poor, then ignores the poor reports.

If AB was more active, it could be as simple as buying the reference sample from them and Jano and testing at a 3rd party lab. Or we could simply ask them about their testing process. Unfortunately, it's hard enough making payment for their services.

I completely understand what you are saying and I would also like to know these answers. What i am saying has nothing to do with "oh hey lets just go with the highest number". You have said that before and that's not even what drives my comments. Science aside - we have blind tested AB and they passed with flying colors. Their purity matches the mg. Thats the cold hard facts. Thats why I choose AB. Thats the bottom line. You constantly try to subtley undermine that fact with your little laughing emojis or saying im "fishing" for the highest testers. Thats a load of shit. I use AB because as of now they are much more accurate then jano based on proven tests....hot because I just want a higher number. Yet you keep fighting for jano because you dont know all the processes. If the blind testing is nuts on then why do you care who's process is what?; All that matters is passing the tests. Confirmation of accuracy. I dont need to know how something works to know how accurate they are. The end result is the proof. I dont know how they use hydrogen to power a car but we know it does.

I also appreciate Aasraw being fully transparent and providing testing from 3 different labs. I know you remember that...you kept bashing them for your shit tren e jano tested raws and ignored the other 2 results. Any good source would provide transparency. Its not aasraws fault you only used jano to test your tren e raw but not try the other 2 labs. Would have definitely helped your case in bashing them..or would have proved your bashing misplaced...but you didnt even do what they did to prove to you there is something wrong with jano Here we are now jano confirmed issues and you still ate trying to prop up jano. I have to question all your posts on this vendor and on jano because of that. If you can't be neutral then I cant trust anything that comes from you. None of my experiences thus far with aasraw are lining up with the things you post about them and I've probably ordered more from them then 95% of the people on this thread. Other sourxes wont even accept jano tests but you will probably say they are just fishing to. There is a reason why jano has been kicked off ither boards as well. I say all this because you propping up jano all the dam time is doing nothing to help anyone here. Real people with real money are making decisions based on janos inaccurate testing and your facilitating it. Is that what these forums are for? Or are they to help our fellow gear heads?

 

[Cob]

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isocap tested at 94% recently, MENT ace, Tren Ace and Tren E tested at 96%+. I dont think its the testing. its the methods of some labs not being sensitive enough for our purpose

I never said every single test was below 90...but most of them are. Im not going to trust a tester that has tedting coming out thats all over the board either. There is no rhyme or reason to that especially after hes said himself he has issues with raw powder testing.

 

[Photon]

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I never said every single test was below 90...but most of them are. Im not going to trust a tester that has tedting coming out thats all over the board either. There is no rhyme or reason to that especially after hes said himself he has issues with raw powder testing.

Apologies, could you link that to me again?
Is this regarding the dissolved deca?

 

[Cob]

Apologies, could you link that to me again?
Is this regarding the dissolved deca?

Im not the one with those tests. Feel free to go back through the jano thread about it. We have already went over all that as well.

 

[IndividualMan]

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I never said every single test was below 90...but most of them are. Im not going to trust a tester that has tedting coming out thats all over the board either. There is no rhyme or reason to that especially after hes said himself he has issues with raw powder testing.

if raws quality is all over the place, testing is gonna be all over the place as well. purity differences in non-uniform raws are also hard to get right, as it was with sticky test E and nand decanoate so thats also not something that would make me worried about jano accuracy.

Also, you brought up AASraws. they do seem to be having issues with the people producingraws for them, so I am not surprised that some of their raws are coming out worse than anticipated. large batch production can be tough, and if the new crews dont know what they are doing quite yet it is no surprise that purity is lower than it was before.
Again, it is more likely subpar synthesis conditions than Jano suddenly having worse testing for AASraws specifically. I saw some raws off another vendor who had a jano of MENT in the mid 90s (94.something and 1 batch 96%+)

I personally still trust Jano over AB (different reference standard?) and the other one who are using NMR.

There is a reason why jano has been kicked off ither boards as well.

this is a bad faith argument. We all have read the threads leading up to jano bans on other forums, you and I both know that other forums just suck up to sources and regularly ban people for exposing subpar batches. No wonder a testing lab gets banned if posting about underdosed/low quality garbage is bannable.

 

[Photon]

Science aside - we have blind tested AB and they passed with flying colors. Their purity matches the mg. Thats the cold hard facts. Thats why I choose AB. Thats the bottom line. You constantly try to subtley undermine that fact with your little laughing emojis or saying im "fishing" for the highest testers. Thats a load of shit. I use AB because as of now they are much more accurate then jano based on proven tests....hot because I just want a higher number. Yet you keep fighting for jano because you dont know all the processes. If the blind testing is nuts on then why do you care who's process is what?; All that matters is passing the tests. Confirmation of accuracy. I dont need to know how something works to know how accurate they are. The end result is the proof. I dont know how they use hydrogen to power a car but we know it does.

Real people with real money are making decisions based on janos inaccurate testing and your facilitating it. Is that what these forums are for? Or are they to help our fellow gear heads?

Basically, you use AB, because the raw purity results better match the final product. Am i right? Why does the process not matter?

Since you talked about Tren.
There's a 10% difference between Jano and AB for this vendor.
You brew it using AB's purity ~95%, and the AB mg/ml matches.
And well, you sell it, but how do you even know that the 10% is in fact..not something else..if you don't know the process? 10% difference..from..where?

If you err on the side of caution, you'd take the lowest possible result as that's the safest for everyone.

95% vs 85%?
90% vs 80%?
85% vs 75%?
80% vs 70%?

You keep saying Jano is inaccurate but what's the basis?

I never said which lab was right or wrong.
I said sending to AB gives higher purity (it's a proven fact) and i asked questions on the process (why is it higher?). How does that prop Jano in any way?

I know you remember that...you kept bashing them for your shit tren e jano tested raws and ignored the other 2 results.

Indeed i did.
Because they advertise with good Jano reports and deny bad ones. If Jano is not accurate, do not use at all. I have said that from the beginning. If you accept the good, it comes with the bad. If you see my previous posts, i told them not to use the lab at all.

Same for TNE. They advertised Jano 98% TNE, sold people 83-87% and refused to accept those Jano reports.

Why use them when you don't accept their poor reports?
That's why i'm bashing them for it.
Switch to AB completely.

 

[Cob]

if raws quality is all over the place, testing is gonna be all over the place as well. purity differences in non-uniform raws are also hard to get right, as it was with sticky test E and nand decanoate so thats also not something that would make me worried about jano accuracy.

Also, you brought up AASraws. they do seem to be having issues with the people producingraws for them, so I am not surprised that some of their raws are coming out worse than anticipated. large batch production can be tough, and if the new crews dont know what they are doing quite yet it is no surprise that purity is lower than it was before.
Again, it is more likely subpar synthesis conditions than Jano suddenly having worse testing for AASraws specifically. I saw some raws off another vendor who had a jano of MENT in the mid 90s (94.something and 1 batch 96%+)

I personally still trust Jano over AB (different reference standard?) and the other one who are using NMR.

this is a bad faith argument. We all have read the threads leading up to jano bans on other forums, you and I both know that other forums just suck up to sources and regularly ban people for exposing subpar batches. No wonder a testing lab gets banned if posting about underdosed/low quality garbage is bannable.

It seems to me a lot of people here are sucking up to jano. He literally admitted his issues with testing powders and there are tests that prove it...but here you sit saying you still trust jano. Maybe for peptides and finished oils bht the dude literally is inaccurate on his raw powder testing. A mudererer gets caught with the murder weapon...admits to the murder bjt the jury is like nah you didnt do it. That's whats going on here and its stupid. The bias is rediculous and jabo is just a dam tester...what skin do people have in his comp as to keep running cover fir this shit?

 

[Cob]

Basically, you use AB, because the raw purity results better match the final product. Am i right? Why does the process not matter?

Since you talked about Tren.
There's a 10% difference between Jano and AB for this vendor.
You brew it using AB's purity ~95%, and the AB mg/ml matches.
And well, you sell it, but how do you even know that the 10% is in fact..not something else..if you don't know the process? 10% difference..from..where?

If you err on the side of caution, you'd take the lowest possible result as that's the safest for everyone.

95% vs 85%?
90% vs 80%?
85% vs 75%?
80% vs 70%?

You keep saying Jano is inaccurate but what's the basis?

I never said which lab was right or wrong.
I said sending to AB gives higher purity (it's a proven fact) and i asked questions on the process (why is it higher?). How does that prop Jano in any way?



Indeed i did.
Because they advertise with good Jano reports and deny bad ones. If Jano is not accurate, do not use at all. I have said that from the beginning. If you accept the good, it comes with the bad. If you see my previous posts, i told them not to use the lab at all.

Same for TNE. They advertised Jano 98% TNE, sold people 83-87% and refused to accept those Jano reports.

Why use them when you don't accept their poor reports?
That's why i'm bashing them for it.
Switch to AB completely.

.my god...you just keep going with your nonsense. Whats my basis? Ummmm the test results maybe? What a circle jerk it is talking to you.

you say take the lowest results?;why the f would I accept inaccurate test results???? If the raws test matches the mg test then why would I accept janos bs that is already known to have issues? Thats the dumbest shit ive heard and thats what im talking about you running cover no matter what he does. Again...are you a paid jano rep? He literally admitted to his issues with raw testing and you keep ignoring it. Im not going to sit here and keep repeating myself but what I will do is continue to speak the truth about jano as long as you all keep running cover. I got no skin in the game except my personal experiences and the test results. 79% deca then 55% deca same batch...then Ab hits it 100% accurate in a blnd test...but but what are their processes cause the tests domt matter without knowing the pricesses...B.S.....but you go ahead and keep talking in circles bro.

 

[Photon]

.my god...you just keep going with your nonsense. Whats my basis? Ummmm the test results maybe? What a circle jerk it is talking to you.

you say take the lowest results?;why the f would I accept inaccurate test results???? If the raws test matches the mg test then why would I accept janos bs that is already known to have issues? Thats the dumbest shit ive heard and thats what im talking about you running cover no matter what he does. Again...are you a paid jano rep? He literally admitted to his issues with raw testing and you keep ignoring it. Im not going to sit here and keep repeating myself but what I will do is continue to speak the truth about jano as long as you all keep running cover. I got no skin in the game except my personal experiences and the test results. 79% deca then 55% deca same batch...then Ab hits it 100% accurate in a blnd test...but but what are their processes cause the tests domt matter without knowing the pricesses...B.S.....but you go ahead and keep talking in circles bro.

If i run an insensitive test that ignores almost all impurities on both oil and raw. It will match closely, since impurities are ignored.

Since it matches, you'd use it?
Because it matches?

What paid Jano rep?
I told this vendor not to use Jano if they wouldn't accept their poor results.

 

[IndividualMan]

It seems to me a lot of people here are sucking up to jano. He literally admitted his issues with testing powders and there are tests that prove it...but here you sit saying you still trust jano. Maybe for peptides and finished oils bht the dude literally is inaccurate on his raw powder testing. A mudererer gets caught with the murder weapon...admits to the murder bjt the jury is like nah you didnt do it. That's whats going on here and its stupid. The bias is rediculous and jabo is just a dam tester...what skin do people have in his comp as to keep running cover fir this shit?

I trust him as far as I can throw this tall czech man, because he is more transparent than others. As a matter of fact I barely trust other labs at all (for raws), doing some analyses yourself is egnerally a good thing as well.
If you get more info on the processes used, you can weigh out pros and cons. Janoshik talks about his processes extensively, if you take the time to read (and have some previous knowledge) you can learn a lot.

bjt the jury is like nah you didnt do it. That's whats going on here and its stupid. The bias is rediculous and jabo is just a dam tester...what skin do people have in his comp as to keep running cover fir this shit?

you seem to be a bit out of it dude, idk. "just a dam tester" also doesn't scream "i know what I am talking about" btw. generally, the more sensitive (the BETTER) the test the lower purity tends to get. false positives are more common than false negatives, so I am more concerned with certain raws (brown india curry sludge) coming back 96%+ from AB than the possibility of jano slightly underestimating some test or tren.

79% deca then 55% deca same batch..

also, I mentioned the DECA case earlier, sticky raws are harder to get right due to low homogeneity (not mixed well). happened to some of my EQ last year as well, it tested 89% then 90something on a second test (90something aligned with the mg/ml in the oil)



I think you are just massively coping because you dont want to admit that you might have A: wasted your money on shit raws or B: sold people product containing shit raws.

Overall it just looks like you do not understand how testing works, and act as if you were a stubborn little child.

 

[IndividualMan]

Oevrall I just hope this vendor gets their hand on a good crew of raws producers. others seem to be able to do it, and for the DHT raws they also managed to get some good stuff.

 

[Cob]

If i run an insensitive test that ignores almost all impurities on both oil and raw. It will match closely, since impurities are ignored.

Since it matches, you'd use it?
Because it matches?

What paid Jano rep?
I told this vendor not to use Jano if they wouldn't accept their poor results.

Since when does anyone run impurity testing? Does impurity testing eliminate purity testing? No, it doesnt. Post up your impurity tedt results and lets talk about it. Until then I dont deal in hypotheticals.

 

[IndividualMan]

Since when does anyone run impurity testing? Does impurity testing eliminate purity testing? No, it doesnt. Post up your impurity tedt results and lets talk about it. Until then I dont deal in hypotheticals.

child logic. Doesnt know how the current testing methods work. The current possibilities for impurity testing is heavy metals testing, and looking at the full report on jano GCMS to try and guess what is misidentified compound and what is major impurity.

this is not magic fairy land where you can go: "mister laboratory man, list AAAALLL the impurities for me one time please" while wearing your propeller hat and holding a swirly lollipop.
IQlet Chud

 

[Cob]

I trust him as far as I can throw this tall czech man, because he is more transparent than others. As a matter of fact I barely trust other labs at all (for raws), doing some analyses yourself is egnerally a good thing as well.
If you get more info on the processes used, you can weigh out pros and cons. Janoshik talks about his processes extensively, if you take the time to read (and have some previous knowledge) you can learn a lot.

you seem to be a bit out of it dude, idk. "just a dam tester" also doesn't scream "i know what I am talking about" btw. generally, the more sensitive (the BETTER) the test the lower purity tends to get. false positives are more common than false negatives, so I am more concerned with certain raws (brown india curry sludge) coming back 96%+ from AB than the possibility of jano slightly underestimating some test or tren.


also, I mentioned the DECA case earlier, sticky raws are harder to get right due to low homogeneity (not mixed well). happened to some of my EQ last year as well, it tested 89% then 90something on a second test (90something aligned with the mg/ml in the oil)



I think you are just massively coping because you dont want to admit that you might have A: wasted your money on shit raws or B: sold people product containing shit raws.

Overall it just looks like you do not understand how testing works, and act as if you were a stubborn little child.

Ypu remind me of a democrat...just making up your own narrative because you dont like what I have to say. Again...the process doesnt matter when you run a blind test and the mg matches the raw purity. Its pretty dam simple. Are you trying to say that a mg test to verify a purity test is bs if you dont know how the testing is conducted? I hope not because that would be dumb af. Then not a single tester could be trusted based on that thought process.

Come attack me all you want...jano cant test raw powders very accurately. Jano admitted to this. Testing that backs that up. But I dont know wtf im talking about lmfao watching people here trying to defend the guy on his raw powder testing is pretty entertaining.

Jano explains himself here because he is a sponsor here and his business depends on it. Hes lost all other boards so all he has left is meso. Why the f woukd AB come here and explain to anyone here their process? Do they pay to be here? Are they admitting they have issues tedtjng raws? Are they failing blind tests? What a way to justify why jano is better...and im the one who doesnt know what hes talking about lol

 

[Cob]

child logic. Doesnt know how the current testing methods work. The current possibilities for impurity testing is heavy metals testing, and looking at the full report on jano GCMS to try and guess what is misidentified compound and what is major impurity.

this is not magic fairy land where you can go: "mister laboratory man, list AAAALLL the impurities for me one time please" while wearing your propeller hat and holding a swirly lollipop.
IQlet Chud

Post up the impurity test. Lets see it.

 

[IndividualMan]

Ypu remind me of a democrat

you remind me of a child touched by mr prez and is mentally stuck at the age it happened.
You have no ability to learn, the test is more than just putting oil/raws into a machine and getting a number. There is variance, Homogeinity, and this gets a lot more complicated once you put it into oil.
I will explain it once, as clear as I can.

-read this paragraph, you barely literate swine-

Suddenly differentiating between oil and hormone gets easy, but differentiating between TrenE and a misshapen byproduct of synthesis that also happens to have an enanthate ester on it gets harder.
So the test shows stuff that might not be tren as tren when in oil, but corectly differentiates between tren and its misshapen cousin when in raw form.
this is how your method of: "I test the raws, i test the oil, and the oil is always right and closer to the truth" can be a subpar method of gauging raw quality and if you believe it is a foolproof method, you are coping beyond belief.

-thank you for reading this paragraph. reread it if you did not fully understand it.-

 

[Cob]

child logic. Doesnt know how the current testing methods work. The current possibilities for impurity testing is heavy metals testing, and looking at the full report on jano GCMS to try and guess what is misidentified compound and what is major impurity.

this is not magic fairy land where you can go: "mister laboratory man, list AAAALLL the impurities for me one time please" while wearing your propeller hat and holding a swirly lollipop.
IQlet Chud

Please explain to me like im a child how the current tedting methods work for jano and AB. Then explain to me how they differ and why AB is showing accurate testing in raws but jano isn't. Then you can explain to me the impurities test that your going to post up. To me it sounds like no one here knows those answers because those same questions are what you all are trying ti use to rum cover for jano.