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[hcgfiend123456]

So with the fact that jano admitted his struggles on raw powder testing....we see that jano constantly has low quality raw tests. Almost every raw test is below 90. You and I both know that it would be a freak situation if all raws coming out of china from all sources are very poor quality.. Or is it the jano admitted the issue and its his testing process that is the issue? Im going with jano vs all raws are bad. I dont understand how you still continue to push for jano? Why do you push the facts to the side? Does jano pay you? I mean its some what ignorant of you to not take all the facts in and make a common sense understanding that janos raw testing is in fact flawed. Even if you have issues with AB there is no reason someone of constructive thinking would still argue for jano testing. Its pretty obvious at this point right?

There are other labs available for use.

 

[Photon]

So with the fact that jano admitted his struggles on raw powder testing....we see that jano constantly has low quality raw tests. Almost every raw test is below 90. You and I both know that it would be a freak situation if all raws coming out of china from all sources are very poor quality.. Or is it the jano admitted the issue and its his testing process that is the issue? Im going with jano vs all raws are bad. I dont understand how you still continue to push for jano? Why do you push the facts to the side? Does jano pay you? I mean its some what ignorant of you to not take all the facts in and make a common sense understanding that janos raw testing is in fact flawed. Even if you have issues with AB there is no reason someone of constructive thinking would still argue for jano testing. Its pretty obvious at this point right?

You seem to have a notion that a higher number is more accurate, whereas I am trying to figure out where the difference is coming from. All labs may be correct, with different results, if they each are reporting something differently. A vendor was kind enough to send raws to AB, Jano and L4T which does provide insight into the process.



The first thing to acknowledge is that AB and Jano uses LC/MS whereas L4T uses NMR. NMR is insensitive, meaning it is a best case scenario, because it can't detect impurities when the purity drops.

And as expected, we see that L4T is consistently above Jano and AB in purity. Is the purity wrong? No, it is just the nature of the test being executed.

Now, when purity is actually good, you see consensus between all 3 labs. (Test C). The fact that there is no consensus between the other labs and L4T for other samples does validate the fact that the other raws are impure.

Now as purity starts to drop, as seen in both Jano and AB, they start to diverge, (Test D and Tren E), with Jano dropping quicker.

Could they be measuring something different due to a slightly different reference standard? Could AB be averaging it out? Smoothing it? Lagging? Less sensitive due to equipment? I am not arguing that either lab is right, i am trying to figure out where the difference is coming from. Is one a raw figure and the other smoothed?

I can understand that vendor selling raws or oils, would prefer the lab that gives a better figure. This vendor for instance, shops around and goes to a different lab to get better results when results are poor, then ignores the poor reports.

If AB was more active, it could be as simple as buying the reference sample from them and Jano and testing at a 3rd party lab. Or we could simply ask them about their testing process. Unfortunately, it's hard enough making payment for their services.

Post in thread 'OEP LABS Domestic'

Jan 30, 2026

ANALIZA BIALEK Analysis


Here are the results below

Lemme seee





We have different purity% for each raw except MENT.
Based off these purity %, which more accurately matches the mg/ml of the finish brew?

Looks like AB is 3-5% higher for all except MENT.

AB doesn't give the decimal places? It's all rounded figures?


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Post in thread 'OEP LABS Domestic'

Today at 12:03 AM

Did Lab4Tox get back?
Looks like timeline is 2-3 weeks for AB and Lab4Tox 4 weeks?

yessir just heard from them myself I believe sample 3 delayed everyone a bit. Lab4tox did not find trace in sample 3 for Oxymetholone. However, Analyzer stated the oil was interfering with the measurement of the API signal. Here the reports

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[IndividualMan]

So with the fact that jano admitted his struggles on raw powder testing....we see that jano constantly has low quality raw tests. Almost every raw test is below 90. You and I both know that it would be a freak situation if all raws coming out of china from all sources are very poor quality.. Or is it the jano admitted the issue and its his testing process that is the issue? Im going with jano vs all raws are bad. I dont understand how you still continue to push for jano? Why do you push the facts to the side? Does jano pay you? I mean its some what ignorant of you to not take all the facts in and make a common sense understanding that janos raw testing is in fact flawed. Even if you have issues with AB there is no reason someone of constructive thinking would still argue for jano testing. Its pretty obvious at this point right?

isocap tested at 94% recently, MENT ace, Tren Ace and Tren E tested at 96%+. I dont think its the testing. its the methods of some labs not being sensitive enough for our purposes

 

[Cob]

You seem to have a notion that a higher number is more accurate, whereas I am trying to figure out where the difference is coming from. All labs may be correct, with different results, if they each are reporting something differently. A vendor was kind enough to send raws to AB, Jano and L4T which does provide insight into the process.

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The first thing to acknowledge is that AB and Jano uses LC/MS whereas L4T uses NMR. NMR is insensitive, meaning it is a best case scenario, because it can't detect impurities when the purity drops.

And as expected, we see that L4T is consistently above Jano and AB in purity. Is the purity wrong? No, it is just the nature of the test being executed.

Now, when purity is actually good, you see consensus between all 3 labs. (Test C). The fact that there is no consensus between the other labs and L4T for other samples does validate the fact that the other raws are impure.

Now as purity starts to drop, as seen in both Jano and AB, they start to diverge, (Test D and Tren E), with Jano dropping quicker.

Could they be measuring something different due to a slightly different reference standard? Could AB be averaging it out? Smoothing it? Lagging? Less sensitive due to equipment? I am not arguing that either lab is right, i am trying to figure out where the difference is coming from. Is one a raw figure and the other smoothed?

I can understand that vendor selling raws or oils, would prefer the lab that gives a better figure. This vendor for instance, shops around and goes to a different lab to get better results when results are poor, then ignores the poor reports.

If AB was more active, it could be as simple as buying the reference sample from them and Jano and testing at a 3rd party lab. Or we could simply ask them about their testing process. Unfortunately, it's hard enough making payment for their services.

I completely understand what you are saying and I would also like to know these answers. What i am saying has nothing to do with "oh hey lets just go with the highest number". You have said that before and that's not even what drives my comments. Science aside - we have blind tested AB and they passed with flying colors. Their purity matches the mg. Thats the cold hard facts. Thats why I choose AB. Thats the bottom line. You constantly try to subtley undermine that fact with your little laughing emojis or saying im "fishing" for the highest testers. Thats a load of shit. I use AB because as of now they are much more accurate then jano based on proven tests....hot because I just want a higher number. Yet you keep fighting for jano because you dont know all the processes. If the blind testing is nuts on then why do you care who's process is what?; All that matters is passing the tests. Confirmation of accuracy. I dont need to know how something works to know how accurate they are. The end result is the proof. I dont know how they use hydrogen to power a car but we know it does.

I also appreciate Aasraw being fully transparent and providing testing from 3 different labs. I know you remember that...you kept bashing them for your shit tren e jano tested raws and ignored the other 2 results. Any good source would provide transparency. Its not aasraws fault you only used jano to test your tren e raw but not try the other 2 labs. Would have definitely helped your case in bashing them..or would have proved your bashing misplaced...but you didnt even do what they did to prove to you there is something wrong with jano Here we are now jano confirmed issues and you still ate trying to prop up jano. I have to question all your posts on this vendor and on jano because of that. If you can't be neutral then I cant trust anything that comes from you. None of my experiences thus far with aasraw are lining up with the things you post about them and I've probably ordered more from them then 95% of the people on this thread. Other sourxes wont even accept jano tests but you will probably say they are just fishing to. There is a reason why jano has been kicked off ither boards as well. I say all this because you propping up jano all the dam time is doing nothing to help anyone here. Real people with real money are making decisions based on janos inaccurate testing and your facilitating it. Is that what these forums are for? Or are they to help our fellow gear heads?

 

[Cob]

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isocap tested at 94% recently, MENT ace, Tren Ace and Tren E tested at 96%+. I dont think its the testing. its the methods of some labs not being sensitive enough for our purpose

I never said every single test was below 90...but most of them are. Im not going to trust a tester that has tedting coming out thats all over the board either. There is no rhyme or reason to that especially after hes said himself he has issues with raw powder testing.

 

[Photon]

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I never said every single test was below 90...but most of them are. Im not going to trust a tester that has tedting coming out thats all over the board either. There is no rhyme or reason to that especially after hes said himself he has issues with raw powder testing.

Apologies, could you link that to me again?
Is this regarding the dissolved deca?

 

[Cob]

Apologies, could you link that to me again?
Is this regarding the dissolved deca?

Im not the one with those tests. Feel free to go back through the jano thread about it. We have already went over all that as well.

 

[IndividualMan]

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I never said every single test was below 90...but most of them are. Im not going to trust a tester that has tedting coming out thats all over the board either. There is no rhyme or reason to that especially after hes said himself he has issues with raw powder testing.

if raws quality is all over the place, testing is gonna be all over the place as well. purity differences in non-uniform raws are also hard to get right, as it was with sticky test E and nand decanoate so thats also not something that would make me worried about jano accuracy.

Also, you brought up AASraws. they do seem to be having issues with the people producingraws for them, so I am not surprised that some of their raws are coming out worse than anticipated. large batch production can be tough, and if the new crews dont know what they are doing quite yet it is no surprise that purity is lower than it was before.
Again, it is more likely subpar synthesis conditions than Jano suddenly having worse testing for AASraws specifically. I saw some raws off another vendor who had a jano of MENT in the mid 90s (94.something and 1 batch 96%+)

I personally still trust Jano over AB (different reference standard?) and the other one who are using NMR.

There is a reason why jano has been kicked off ither boards as well.

this is a bad faith argument. We all have read the threads leading up to jano bans on other forums, you and I both know that other forums just suck up to sources and regularly ban people for exposing subpar batches. No wonder a testing lab gets banned if posting about underdosed/low quality garbage is bannable.