A comprenhensive tb500 frag thread

[dinfar1337]

Did they sell you pep raws?

nope just the freeze dried version. pretty sure they didnt carry the frag raw, only tb4 raw(if they even had that)

im still out on 2 packages each around 1000-2000 usd each of raws from them and no movement

 

[TallandSmall]

I always get a decent anti-inflammatory effect from tb500. 2.5-5mg E3D. About 12hrs after I’ll notice my aches aren’t so achy. It’s temporary but it’s been consistent for me. I’m currently using it post-op w/ tb4, bpc, gh. Sutures look good. Healing seems to be going well.

 

[Ateam2023]

great info,

my thread was all i could find about it through research since we have so much limited info on it placed in 1 thread. either tb or tb frag.

thanks for the info. im basiclly done with my tb frag cycle and just riding slowly into maintenance by now i will defiently try to see if injections 3x a day help next time im injured(hopefully not haha)

i do believe it still has some validation to it tho, i jumped from 5mg to 500mcg of each for maintance both bpc and tb and after 2-3 days time my elbow pain came back so im doing 2mg maintenance and the pain went away again, doing each 1mg tb frag and 1mg bpc dropping down to 1.5mg total to 1mg total until i reach 500mcg and can train by myself without support hopefully

I know about elbows too, ughh , thats why i initially started bpc157 & Tb500 frag(from GA) back then,(tennis/golfers elbow) but i messed around for a few months with microgram doses and finally decided to start doing milligram doses of BPC157, I got the idea of high milligram dosing from another member on this forum so I thought why not, and I got nowhere near what he was doing, but it gave me confidence that somebody else was doing it with good success, i've went as high as 6 mg per peptide daily and it was very efficient and a lil pricey lol

 

[Ateam2023]

About a month or so apart , This time using Tb4 , i did the tb4 3 times a day @3 mg daily and 2 mg x3 daily Bpc157 ,

 

[dinfar1337]

I know about elbows too, ughh , thats why i initially started bpc157 & Tb500 frag(from GA) back then,(tennis/golfers elbow) but i messed around for a few months with microgram doses and finally decided to start doing milligram doses of BPC157, I got the idea of high milligram dosing from another member on this forum so I thought why not, and I got nowhere near what he was doing, but it gave me confidence that somebody else was doing it with good success, i've went as high as 6 mg per peptide daily and it was very efficient and a lil pricey lol

im glad you guys are around to share their experience.

before my research buying this stuff i was planning mcg dosages aswell but you guys on the forum guided me towards higher dosages.

and as seen 1.5 month later coming down to maintenance dosages mcg wouldn't have cut it at all.

thanks for all the good limited info we have on these compounds

was in the gym today.

at the end of my workout even tho i trained arms first my arm hurt like a bitch putting the weights down.

 

[Liter O' Test]

thanks for making this thread, i dont see a lot about TB500
everyone raves about bpc but i think they undervalue tb500

I dont do BPC because it gives me the mood sides
so i cant use the kglow or the tb500/bpc combo

 

[Photon]

About a month or so apart , This time using Tb4 , i did the tb4 3 times a day @3 mg daily and 2 mg x3 daily Bpc157 ,

How would you compare frag and tb4?
I've only bought frag but you do seem to have pretty good success with tb4.

 

[dinfar1337]

thanks for making this thread, i dont see a lot about TB500
everyone raves about bpc but i think they undervalue tb500

I dont do BPC because it gives me the mood sides
so i cant use the kglow or the tb500/bpc combo

i haven't used tb500 frag alone, but the healing effect of bpc-157 for me is too good to just be bpc-157 alone.

im almost here 1 month later with a injury which my doc told me it will take 6 months to heal to be 80% healed already.

i think so far, my eod dosing is a minimum for it. when i took the frag out for e3d dosing my pain started to come back a little. so now im doing it ed with the bpc.

ultimately im just sharing my experience and hope to widen my horizon and others on a really effective peptide.

 

[Ateam2023]

How would you compare frag and tb4?
I've only bought frag but you do seem to have pretty good success with tb4.

honestly, i notice very little in terms of "results" , i really think the tb4 as "more tools" in the tool box, meaning its got broader healing properties, but as a feels, Nothing different to report, i feel you do have to dose the tb4 more frequently than suggested though,

 

[dinfar1337]

honestly, i notice very little in terms of "results" , i really think the tb4 as "more tools" in the tool box, meaning its got broader healing properties, but as a feels, Nothing different to report, i feel you do have to dose the tb4 more frequently than suggested though,

defiently, just because its detected in plasma up in 72 hours later dosent mean its fully active for all that time. especially the full protein tb4 which gets broken into many fragments and only 1 of them we can use.

we have to conduct better studies to find out with injured receptor site activation measuring and frequent plasma samples to detect highest serum peaks. but my guess its somewhere around 24-48 hours and eod is minimum for it.

ed is best, e12h is probably even better.

 

[Ateam2023]

on my upcoming shoulder surgery , i will be running both forms of Tb's along side of Bpc157, this way ill benefit from all mechanisms of the Tb's , and Bpc157 is just the icing .

 

[dinfar1337]

on my upcoming shoulder surgery , i will be running both forms of Tb's along side of Bpc157, this way ill benefit from all mechanisms of the Tb's , and Bpc157 is just the icing .

i do believe there is minor to little benefit in any other fragments that it gets broken into besides the tb500 frag im talking about and also showed in mice only significant healing properties came from synthetic tb im talking about in the thread. but go ahead if you already have it.

i wish you a speedy recovery!

 

[Ateam2023]

i do believe there is minor to little benefit in any other fragments that it gets broken into besides the tb500 frag im talking about and also showed in mice only significant healing properties came from synthetic tb im talking about in the thread. but go ahead if you already have it.

i wish you a speedy recovery!

yeah i have it already , the tb4 , so why not like you said, but i agree that the frag version is the "good 1" especially for ligaments&tendons, connecting tissue etc.

 

[dinfar1337]

When to Use TB-500 Frag(make tis big):

@MESO-Rx Administrator i forgot to remove my personal note. can you remove (make this big)

sorry for the trouble.

 

[dinfar1337]

synthetic tb = TB-500 Frag(Ac-LKKTETQ) 889da(g/mol) frag also known as TB-500 Fragment LKKTETQ (17-23)

looking more into it for people who want to buy the raw powder like me.

the pure peptide before salt formation comes in 846/847 g/mol

it has the cas number 476014-70-7. and has the lkktetq formula. and when it has a salt already added its acetyl-lkktetq showing up as 889 g/mol

the frag powder without anything added is called Fequesetide,

confirm the cas number with raw seller before buying.

normal tb500 comes with cas number 885340-08-9

 

[Ateam2023]

looking more into it for people who want to buy the raw powder like me.

the pure peptide before salt formation comes in 846/847 g/mol

it has the cas number 476014-70-7. and has the lkktetq formula. and when it has a salt already added its acetyl-lkktetq showing up as 889 g/mol

the frag powder without anything added is called Fequesetide,

confirm the cas number with raw seller before buying.

normal tb500 comes with cas number 885340-08-9

so the 889 d is what we want? Not as a raw , but buying kits.

 

[dinfar1337]

so the 889 d is what we want? Not as a raw , but buying kits.

yes, 889 da is finished lyhoplillized product with acetyl and other stuff added making for a total of 889 da.

the pure peptide before prepation comes in 846.94 da.

all the chemical stuff come up when u search the cas number or real name fesqutide for people who wanna go more in depth.

 

[dinfar1337]

effectivity and cost savings​

finally doing some leg work and more research for buying the peptides:

and correcting my old cas numbers

cas 476014-70-7 is fequestide, or pure tb500 frag without any acetyl being 446.97 g/mol

cas 885340-08-9 is tb500 frag, the one we want from vendors with the AC.

and cas 77591-33-4 this is the normal full protein tb500

comparing the effectivity of tb500 vs tb500 frag

we have the molecular weight of 4921 g/mol vs 889g/mol

dividing both of these gets us to we would use 5,535mg of tb500 full protein to achieve same effect as 1mg tb500 frag

so the full protein contains 0.1806mg of tb500 fragment we want for healing per mg

now we have the tb500 frag at 889.01g. and the acetate salt added by ssa and other vendors usually. the salt adds 59.04 g/mol so the we now have 889.01+59.04 = 948.05 g/mol.

so to get 1mg we have 948.05 * 1.055.
now we also have 889.01 * 1.055

which gives us roughly 938 mg/mol out of every 1 g/mol



so now we can directly compare 0.938mg/0.1806mg

and come up with the end results of​

​

roughly 1mg tb500 full protein = 0,1925mg of tb500 frag​

and 1mg tb500 frag = 5.194mg of tb500 full protein​

 

[Liter O' Test]

soo..
whats the real difference between tb500 (tb4) and tb500 frag?

tb500 frag is better? then why is it cheaper?

 

[dinfar1337]

soo..
whats the real difference between tb500 (tb4) and tb500 frag?

tb500 frag is better? then why is it cheaper?

yes, just from the literaturre its way better to inject tb500 frag, less immunigicenty risk, less dosages needed. and way less money spend 1mg tb500 frag = 5.2mg of tb500 healing effects.

just from a standpoint you would need 15mg to achieve less than 3mg dosing of tb500 frag. no wonder people say the pure protein is shit compared to bpc in my own opinion(it is please save your money and buy the tb500 frag).

this was more a scientific thread and im trying my best(failiing) to not be biased and look at what advatanges we can get with tb500 frag with the limited literaturre.