45yr old male, cycle advice

[picklemerick]

So turned 45 recently, I’ve done a few light cycles in my past, usually just primo or test with some oxandrolone and some anastrozole. Nothing really crazy, I would consider myself a regular dude, gym 3 times a week, hate cardio, am not going on stage or to any competitions, just trying to keep a nice physique going so the ego and the wife are happy as well as the occasional rewarding glance at the mirror. I know that seems kinda shallow but hey, it’s pretty anonymous here so, why not be honest for once

25 was an all time low for training. Had back surgery, moved into a house, had a ton of things to do, never really made it to the gym on a regular basis. So here we are, facing 235lbs, 6‘2“ with a nice little gut that grew over the past few months.

Blood work had free test low (8 - range was 5-21) Östrogen was high (38 - range was -40)
Test total was low (4 range was 3-9)

So overall I would have said low test but the doc said not low enough to warrant a TRT. Yeah oh well.

So I’m looking to do a cycle with some GLP-1 and some test e. Maybe some fragment that I have leftover.

Already back at the gym, push pull legs split. I feel good, nice pump, but my belly just looks like shit. I stumbled on here just looking for some advice, I’ve been reading a ton of posts, but I figured worst case - I get some negative feedback and just go back to quietly lurking.

Thoughts ?

 

[BabaJagga]

if you wanna stay on, i would start in cruise dose, something like 250mg test per week. simple.
add glp1 and lean out, by the summer you should be pretty lean and with low test dose you will for sure build sime muscles as well.
then do bump up to 400-600mg and grow.

you can transform your body in half year but i would try to gen lean first. you will grow and look better. ive tried it the other way and it wasnt good result

 

[picklemerick]

if you wanna stay on, i would start in cruise dose, something like 250mg test per week. simple.
add glp1 and lean out, by the summer you should be pretty lean and with low test dose you will for sure build sime muscles as well.
then do bump up to 400-600mg and grow.

you can transform your body in half year but i would try to gen lean first. you will grow and look better. ive tried it the other way and it wasnt good result

250 was exactly what I was gonna aim for. Tuesday and Friday. However I wasn’t sure - does that literally mean half ml for each dose ? Cause usually it’s 250mg per ml. I haven’t seen any 100mg per ml vials on the dark side of the market trust me I looked. I tried. I considered the little online trt doctors. They offer it over here in Europe - but hell I can get a years supply for what they’re asking. And then usually you end up with some cream. I’m not doing that.

 

[BabaJagga]

250 was exactly what I was gonna aim for. Tuesday and Friday. However I wasn’t sure - does that literally mean half ml for each dose ? Cause usually it’s 250mg per ml. I haven’t seen any 100mg per ml vials on the dark side of the market trust me I looked. I tried. I considered the little online trt doctors. They offer it over here in Europe - but hell I can get a years supply for what they’re asking. And then usually you end up with some cream. I’m not doing that.

yes, exactly. if you have 250mg/ml, split it into 2 shots of 125mg or 0,5mi, around 3-3,5 days apart.

im not sure about trt in europe, at least in my country, you have to be under 200ng/dl, be older than 45 i think and only option is nebido. so shit protocol without any options.

id you go ugl route, you have few pretty good choices to go for. basic test + support stuff is very cheap. you can get lifetype supply under 2k€ or so...

 

[picklemerick]

Well good to hear that I’m not completely off with what I planned for in my head b I appreciate your time and input.

 

[IndividualMan]

yes, exactly. if you have 250mg/ml, split it into 2 shots of 125mg or 0,5mi, around 3-3,5 days apart.

im not sure about trt in europe, at least in my country, you have to be under 200ng/dl, be older than 45 i think and only option is nebido. so shit protocol without any options.

id you go ugl route, you have few pretty good choices to go for. basic test + support stuff is very cheap. you can get lifetype supply under 2k€ or so...

you can go doctrinus route, you can cash the prescription in any EU country. costs a bit more (100 EUR pharmacy bill+ prescription cost/ 10 ml) but its pharma. when going.

UGL is also good nowadays. EU labs are getting new stock, bit by bit

 

[Noneya14]

yes, exactly. if you have 250mg/ml, split it into 2 shots of 125mg or 0,5mi, around 3-3,5 days apart.

im not sure about trt in europe, at least in my country, you have to be under 200ng/dl, be older than 45 i think and only option is nebido. so shit protocol without any options.

id you go ugl route, you have few pretty good choices to go for. basic test + support stuff is very cheap. you can get lifetype supply under 2k€ or so...

Agree with this.

I'd also throw 2iu of GH in the mix since you are 40+. I'm 51 and running standard Test, GLP, GH stack.

 

[BabaJagga]

Agree with this.

I'd also throw 2iu of GH in the mix since you are 40+. I'm 51 and running standard Test, GLP, GH stack.

why not. its cheap enough with generic from china

 

[IndividualMan]

GH is pretty nice for old fellas. definitely worth a try

 

[Flatriggerman]

I wouldn't start test unless you plan on it the rest of your life. I would however add 2IU HGH daily and reta 4mg weekly split for for 6-8 weeks and do bloodwork. See how you look. Then, up the HGH to 4iu if you want to improve fat burn. The reta/hgh combo is life changing or at least it is for me. It took some time to come together. It's a long game with HGH. Too many people inject too much reta. It takes time to work, let it do its thing.

 

[Flatriggerman]

Agree with this.

I'd also throw 2iu of GH in the mix since you are 40+. I'm 51 and running standard Test, GLP, GH stack.

agree on the trinity of life combo. Life changing protocol.

 

[picklemerick]

I’m very very interested in gh but I not familiar with it at all. Always seemed like a step to far for me. But since I’m past the halfway point in life now anyway, why not. I’ve read up on it quite a bit, just never wanted to pull the trigger.

Not familiar with all the shortcuts. Reta?
I know the test is a lifetime deal. I kinda feel like that’s why I’m at where I’m at. I ran it for way to long last year and the pct kinda didn’t do its thing like it did when I was younger. Balls are tired I guess.

Gonna dive into the underground forum and check on some sources for Europe. Shopping list

Test E
GH
GLP
Reta?

I really appreciate everyone’s input. I was way unsure about posting something - not knowing what the reaction might end up in. So very pleased.

 

[Noneya14]

Reta is your GLP

 

[Flatriggerman]

I’m very very interested in gh but I not familiar with it at all. Always seemed like a step to far for me. But since I’m past the halfway point in life now anyway, why not. I’ve read up on it quite a bit, just never wanted to pull the trigger.

Not familiar with all the shortcuts. Reta?
I know the test is a lifetime deal. I kinda feel like that’s why I’m at where I’m at. I ran it for way to long last year and the pct kinda didn’t do its thing like it did when I was younger. Balls are tired I guess.

Gonna dive into the underground forum and check on some sources for Europe. Shopping list

Test E
GH
GLP
Reta?

I really appreciate everyone’s input. I was way unsure about posting something - not knowing what the reaction might end up in. So very pleased.

RETA is a GLP. The one that's in final clinical trials. It has some metabolic and insulin factors that are different than Sema and Tirz.

Try reta 2mg split into two injections weekly. 2mg is the starting weekly dose. You could even try 1mg. No reason to rush. Some will say it doesn't do anything until you hit 4mg. That's BS. I did 2mg for 6 months and it along with hgh melted the fat off. It took 3 months to notice changes. I tried tirz to start but it knocked me on my ass with fatigue and no appetite at low doses. GLPs hit everyone different.

 

[adrenalytic]

Always seemed like a step to far for me.

GH is far safer than unmonitored TRT. I ran GH before I ever touched gear.

 

[IndividualMan]

I’m very very interested in gh but I not familiar with it at all. Always seemed like a step to far for me. But since I’m past the halfway point in life now anyway, why not. I’ve read up on it quite a bit, just never wanted to pull the trigger.

Not familiar with all the shortcuts. Reta?
I know the test is a lifetime deal. I kinda feel like that’s why I’m at where I’m at. I ran it for way to long last year and the pct kinda didn’t do its thing like it did when I was younger. Balls are tired I guess.

Gonna dive into the underground forum and check on some sources for Europe. Shopping list

Test E
GH
GLP
Reta?

I really appreciate everyone’s input. I was way unsure about posting something - not knowing what the reaction might end up in. So very pleased.

good list.
I would expand it a bit, so you have more choices, for examples if a source is out of test E.

-Test Enanthate/Cypionate/Isocaproate (any of these work, same half life etc. isocaproate is just a bit more expensive) THis one gets you more jacked

-GH (good sources have a janoshik report included on their pricelists, gun for 97%+ purity, you probably want 10-15IU vials when using 2IU/day. THese are usually marked as something like "120 IU kit", meaning 10 vials of 12 IU. this one gets you more jacked and leaner

-Retatrutide (this is your GLP-1 agonist, which also has GastroIntestinal Peptide signaling (GIP), and glucagon signaling, all of which are nice. start with .5mg every 5 days to 1mg 1x/week, and up it slowly so you dont poop yourself on accident or lose the ability to poop more than once every few days) this one makes you eat less and gets you leaner that way


also, get yourself a stationary bike. (secondhand/ used is great and cheap)
this makes cardio less shit, and cardio is very important, especially if you wanna be jacked and handsome for the wife wayy into your 60s and 70s.

Have a nice day and a good next few years getting lean and jacked.

 

[picklemerick]

good list.
I would expand it a bit, so you have more choices, for examples if a source is out of test E.

-Test Enanthate/Cypionate/Isocaproate (any of these work, same half life etc. isocaproate is just a bit more expensive) THis one gets you more jacked

-GH (good sources have a janoshik report included on their pricelists, gun for 97%+ purity, you probably want 10-15IU vials when using 2IU/day. THese are usually marked as something like "120 IU kit", meaning 10 vials of 12 IU. this one gets you more jacked and leaner

-Retatrutide (this is your GLP-1 agonist, which also has GastroIntestinal Peptide signaling (GIP), and glucagon signaling, all of which are nice. start with .5mg every 5 days to 1mg 1x/week, and up it slowly so you dont poop yourself on accident or lose the ability to poop more than once every few days) this one makes you eat less and gets you leaner that way


also, get yourself a stationary bike. (secondhand/ used is great and cheap)
this makes cardio less shit, and cardio is very important, especially if you wanna be jacked and handsome for the wife wayy into your 60s and 70s.

Have a nice day and a good next few years getting lean and jacked.

Well that is way more advice then expected. Thanks for that. Sounds like a clear roadmap layed out and pointed at success. I like it and I think that’s gonna be my route.

Test is fairly easy to get at most sources. Although test E seems to be getting rare. Retatrutide on the other hand - never heard of it or seen it at any of the European sources. However based on etiquette that I’ve learned reading other posts - there seems to be a time and place (underground) to ask for advice - and this is not the place

Thanks for your input guys, I really appreciate it. It’s a shame realizing that the life achievements cup is fuller then ever but the body capabilities are declining

 

[BabaJagga]

Well that is way more advice then expected. Thanks for that. Sounds like a clear roadmap layed out and pointed at success. I like it and I think that’s gonna be my route.

Test is fairly easy to get at most sources. Although test E seems to be getting rare. Retatrutide on the other hand - never heard of it or seen it at any of the European sources. However based on etiquette that I’ve learned reading other posts - there seems to be a time and place (underground) to ask for advice - and this is not the place

Thanks for your input guys, I really appreciate it. It’s a shame realizing that the life achievements cup is fuller then ever but the body capabilities are declining

go for C ester then. thex are interchangable amd you will find it everywhere.

 

[IndividualMan]

Well that is way more advice then expected. Thanks for that. Sounds like a clear roadmap layed out and pointed at success. I like it and I think that’s gonna be my route.

Test is fairly easy to get at most sources. Although test E seems to be getting rare. Retatrutide on the other hand - never heard of it or seen it at any of the European sources. However based on etiquette that I’ve learned reading other posts - there seems to be a time and place (underground) to ask for advice - and this is not the place

Thanks for your input guys, I really appreciate it. It’s a shame realizing that the life achievements cup is fuller then ever but the body capabilities are declining

2 EU sources are pretty damn good on here, if you can wait till march, they carry everything at pretty good prices. one is closed till march, the other is open atm and restocks Reta and GH in march as well.

one is red/white the other orange/white. wont name names tho, as this isnt the underground section

 

[picklemerick]

2 EU sources are pretty damn good on here, if you can wait till march, they carry everything at pretty good prices. one is closed till march, the other is open atm and restocks Reta and GH in march as well.

one is red/white the other orange/white. wont name names tho, as this isnt the i

I think one is associated with snakes and the other with cheese

I’ll stay natty till march then I guess. I’ve had my eyes on them. Orange has been steady out and snake - as you said, seems to be going through some restructuring and will hopefully be back up in march