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[raysugar1234]

I would never take anything that might make my stomach grow permanently. I think it takes so much away from the physique. Arnolds physique with the tiny waist kicked ass.. Ronnie looks like shit now, He looked much, much, better before. I wonder if he had any idea that was going to happen to him when he started.

 

[raysugar1234]

And on top of that, I'm sure Ronnie had professionals planning his cycles and look how he turned out.. Doing this on your on and not knowing what your doing is a recipe for disaster.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

The big guts seem to be the norm today. The idea that a tiny waist is a necessity to be a successful bodybuilder appears to be long gone.

It must take a lot of effort just to suck it in when posing. Regardless, these guys are a mess, IMO.

Compared to Arnold's era...

 

[raysugar1234]

Exactly my point, good pics to really show the difference.. Wow I didn't realize Kai's gut was that big ... Arnolds stomach is ridiculously small, I wonder if height plays a part in his stomach looking smaller.. He was a tall bodybuilder compared to the guys of today... Sorry for the thread Hijack btw....

 

[mands]

Hey big Mike I wouldn't go so far as calling them a dip shit. Prolonged GH can cause high BG!

You need to keep your Blood Glucose near or below 100. Running 3-4 iu's could put you on the 120 plus range.

High BG can lead to higher chance of stroke, heart attack, kidney disease so maybe you won't fall over from injecting 10-20 iu's of gh at any given time. There are risks though.

Just realize all these things we do are no joke.

mands

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

Hey big Mike I wouldn't go so far as calling them a dip shit. Prolonged GH can cause high BG!



You need to keep your Blood Glucose near or below 100. Running 3-4 iu's could put you on the 120 plus range.



High BG can lead to higher chance of stroke, heart attack, kidney disease so maybe you won't fall over from injecting 10-20 iu's of gh at any given time. There are risks though.



Just realize all these things we do are no joke.



mands

Wow, I didn't know that... I've spent a lot of time on this site (obviously [)] ) and I'm still always learning!!

 

[Mike Oxbig]

Hey big Mike I wouldn't go so far as calling them a dip shit. Prolonged GH can cause high BG!

You need to keep your Blood Glucose near or below 100. Running 3-4 iu's could put you on the 120 plus range.

High BG can lead to higher chance of stroke, heart attack, kidney disease so maybe you won't fall over from injecting 10-20 iu's of gh at any given time. There are risks though.

Just realize all these things we do are no joke.

mands

I agree that chronic hyperglycemia can be extremely dangerous in a multitude aspects and one's BGL should be monitored with higher doses.

But with the exception of DKA fatal hyperglycemia is for the most part a non-issue. Glucose levels need to be incredibly high to be life threatening.

 

[tubesox]

so would a simple diabetic blood sugar monitor be adquate?

 

[Mike Oxbig]

so would a simple diabetic blood sugar monitor be adquate?

Yes. You can buy Accu-Checks for something like $40 at Wal-Mart.

 

[mands]

I agree that chronic hyperglycemia can be extremely dangerous in a multitude aspects and one's BGL should be monitored with higher doses.

But with the exception of DKA fatal hyperglycemia is for the most part a non-issue. Glucose levels need to be incredibly high to be life threatening.

So what do you consider a higher dose and what do you consider to be incredibly high?

mands

 

[Mike Oxbig]

So what do you consider a higher dose and what do you consider to be incredibly high?

mands

My definition of 'incredibly high' is relates to a given patient's presentation. People don't typically get symptomatic until levels get in the neighborhood of 300.

Hypoglycemia is much more serious than hyperglycemia as the brain NEEDS glucose, it doesn't take much deviation from normal ranges to cause brain damage/death.

Too much blood sugar on the other hand is relatively benign until levels get extremely high, acute issues are generally limited to the increased sugar content creating a high osmolarity which draws water and causes dehydration. Fatal hyperglycemia is typically refractory to the dehydration causing hypokalemia(decreased serum potassium) which creates a fatal arrhythmia.

A person's BGL needs to get quite high to cause dehydration to that extent. The blood sugar itself isn't even the main issue, ketones(the byproduct of fat metabolism) are also a diuretic which worsens the problem. High levels of ketones also create acidosis and the drop of blood PH removes even more potassium from the cells. The situation essentially snowballs into a complete clusterfuck.

In reply to your initial question, the state of dehydration/hypokalemia is just as important as the glucose reading itself in determining how dangerous a reading is, which in the field can only be guesstimated via skin tugor and the T wave amplitude on an EKG. In general though, I typically don't get too worried until levels reach 500+.

Incredibly small deviations above/below normal glucose levels that are prolonged over years can cause a host of extremely serious issues. We can both agree on that and I believe is what you were trying to get at, I just don't see fatal hyperglycemia resulting from HGH being a plausible scenario.

 

[Spyder]

You can run a low dose of slin along with gh but would be very careful fucking around with slin it is no joke. DATs got a ton of great info on it and I have played around in the past with low dose slin. I am currently playing around with the idea again to run it with gh - would be interesting to see my BG level without it and then add the slin and see where it is at. There is a whole timing protocol when to take peptides, slin and gh and what to to eat etc(protocol from DAT). I do not recommend anyone touching slin unless you know what you are getting into because I certainly do not want to be 6 feet under and I am saying that at even just 1-2 ius.

 

[Undertow333]

The big guts seem to be the norm today. The idea that a tiny waist is a necessity to be a successful bodybuilder appears to be long gone.

It must take a lot of effort just to suck it in when posing. Regardless, these guys are a mess, IMO.

Compared to Arnold's era...

IGF 1. HGH, insulin, and IGF 1 are the basic recipe for turtle shell belly. I doubt that reasonable doses of any of these would be a problem, but these guys are taking massive ammounts no matter what anyone tells you. I prefer to get my turtle shell belly from this nasty baking habit that I have picked up since becoming a stay at home dad for the winter.!

 

[Gape Van Damme]

To be fair, while the immediate possible negative effects of insulin supplementation can be much worse than AAS, you have to be a complete fucking idiot to kill yourself with insulin. Then again, most people are trash anyways, so I can see it happening.

As in all things, get your read on, start at a low dose, taper up, and always have your quick-acting sugar food/drink on hand when you take your insulin.

 

[mands]

You can run a low dose of slin along with gh but would be very careful fucking around with slin it is no joke. DATs got a ton of great info on it and I have played around in the past with low dose slin. I am currently playing around with the idea again to run it with gh - would be interesting to see my BG level without it and then add the slin and see where it is at. There is a whole timing protocol when to take peptides, slin and gh and what to to eat etc(protocol from DAT). I do not recommend anyone touching slin unless you know what you are getting into because I certainly do not want to be 6 feet under and I am saying that at even just 1-2 ius.

I think the slin could bring it down considerably!

mands