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[riggspersonal]

Just to add to this, high IGF-1 can increase estrogen.

https://aacrjournals.org/cancerres/article/67/17/8368/533549/Insulin-Like-Growth-Factor-I-Regulating-Aromatase

And, yeah, estrogen can lower IGF-1

So left unchecked, they kinda balance each other out?

Increased HGH --> higher IGF-1 --> higher estrogen --> lower IGF-1 repeat

 

[Meatgazer]

Never mind- false alarm. I got to the payment window and it said no payment options available. Sorry for bumping the thread.

The banner is gone and the website is up. Nothing looks new, has anyone tried to order lately?

 

[bigstepper]

Never mind- false alarm. I got to the payment window and it said no payment options available. Sorry for bumping the thread.

The banner is gone and the website is up. Nothing looks new, has anyone tried to order lately?

Clear your browsing history, cookies, cache, etc.

 

[Athleticfreak]

You’ve asked a few people that. There are entire threads about grey tops if you try the search function. Then you can make your own decision on it instead of internet strangers opinion.

lol the search function is going to give you internet strangers opinions.

 

[broilovesushi]

Are you using the grey tops?

Used grey tops for awhile but they got expensive so switch to black tops. Notice no difference. I'm on 9ius a day right now in prep for a show. 3iu am fasted, 3ius pre workout, 3ius post workout. HGH before bed disrupts my sleep.

 

[Jron]

How the hell you guys use HGH in day time? I tried it and almost fell asleep driving. Like eyes felt heavy as hell and was fighting to stay alert. I gotta use it at night.

 

[Crizcrae]

Used grey tops for awhile but they got expensive so switch to black tops. Notice no difference. I'm on 9ius a day right now in prep for a show. 3iu am fasted, 3ius pre workout, 3ius post workout. HGH before bed disrupts my sleep.

Do you not eat an hour before and wait to eat 2 hours after each shot?

 

[riggspersonal]

How the hell you guys use HGH in day time? I tried it and almost fell asleep driving. Like eyes felt heavy as hell and was fighting to stay alert. I gotta use it at night.

how long did you try it for? in my very limited experience, it takes some time for your body to adjust to changes related to exogenous HGH. i had sleep issues when taking it at night initially but that went away after a couple week with no changes.

 

[Sagnastymuscle]

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How the hell you guys use HGH in day time? I tried it and almost fell asleep driving. Like eyes felt heavy as hell and was fighting to stay alert. I gotta use it at night.

I’ve done both morning and night high doses with little to no lethargy it’s just individual response, and a duration of exposure thing I think because initially I was a lot groggier then I am now post HGH Dose

 

[KOArtist]

Used grey tops for awhile but they got expensive so switch to black tops. Notice no difference. I'm on 9ius a day right now in prep for a show. 3iu am fasted, 3ius pre workout, 3ius post workout. HGH before bed disrupts my sleep.

Glad to hear that’s a prep schedule…year round that would be a lot of beetus pulses!

 

[JuG888]

Gray tops = optitropin. They are very good

Black tops are best, I can’t wait to order like 20 kits when he re opens

I’ve tried couple of high but his black tops are the only gh that tightens the face, body, gives you teenager naps/lethargy, I got to 750 igf on the blacks 10iu, 250 igf on 1.5 iu of greys.

Blacks for sure, whatever factory producing them is super good. I feel like Greys are more natural and the blacks are more of a synthetic gh.

 

[BatmanVAR]

Black tops are best, I can’t wait to order like 20 kits when he re opens

I’ve tried couple of high but his black tops are the only gh that tightens the face, body, gives you teenager naps/lethargy, I got to 750 igf on the blacks 10iu, 250 igf on 1.5 iu of greys.

Blacks for sure, whatever factory producing them is super good. I feel like Greys are more natural and the blacks are more of a synthetic gh.

750 IGF-1? What's your Z-score at that dosage? I'd be worried about acromegaly and looking like a neanderthal

 

[rtrnofbesoge]

 

[ThatGuy500mg]

How long does the initial water fluff take to go down after titrating up for you guys? Finally got my way up to 4iu a week ago and am noticing I’m less defined, obviously from water retention. Still pretty new to gh.

 

[Dial It In]

How long does the initial water fluff take to go down after titrating up for you guys? Finally got my way up to 4iu a week ago and am noticing I’m less defined, obviously from water retention. Still pretty new to gh.

Did you get all your baseline IGF and Z Score before you got going? The fluff can be different for everyone. Might take you a few weeks might just hang around a bit longer. My experience after titrating up 2-3 weeks. Make sure you are well hydrated it helps

 

[riggspersonal]

How long does the initial water fluff take to go down after titrating up for you guys? Finally got my way up to 4iu a week ago and am noticing I’m less defined, obviously from water retention. Still pretty new to gh.

I just titrated up to 4iu two days ago coming off of 3iu. Instantly gained another 5lbs in a couple days lol. I feel like the water weight has just been accumulating and hasn't really went down since starting HGH. But I'm also dealing with high E2 so that might be why.

 

[adrenalytic]

I just titrated up to 4iu two days ago coming off of 3iu. Instantly gained another 5lbs in a couple days lol. I feel like the water weight has just been accumulating and hasn't really went down since starting HGH. But I'm also dealing with high E2 so that might be why.

Sounds like you might be titrating too fast. I typically need to run a dose for a month before I can push higher and I only go in 0.5 IU increments if that. But that's just me personally, I am very susceptible to CTS symptoms. YMMV.

 

[jan912]

I just titrated up to 4iu two days ago coming off of 3iu. Instantly gained another 5lbs in a couple days lol. I feel like the water weight has just been accumulating and hasn't really went down since starting HGH. But I'm also dealing with high E2 so that might be why.

Try a small dose of HCTZ or Telmisartan/HCTZ what's your BP?

 

[riggspersonal]

Sounds like you might be titrating too fast. I typically need to run a dose for a month before I can push higher and I only go in 0.5 IU increments if that. But that's just me personally, I am very susceptible to CTS symptoms. YMMV.

I've been doing minimum 30 days before titrating up each additional IU. I haven't noticed any CTS symptoms luckily, but I suppose that is only a matter of time if the water retention keeps getting worse.

 

[riggspersonal]

Try a small dose of HCTZ or Telmisartan/HCTZ what's your BP?

Thanks for the recs. BP is consistently <130 / <80 at any given time throughout the day. Have been watching like a hawk. I'm also on retatrutide and test with E2 in the 80s so I'm sure that is having an impact as well. I'm trying to avoid other medical interventions as long as possible.