Biggerisbetternl
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Is it usefull to use peptides like tesamorelin as PCT after HGH cycle to kickstart the pituitary ?
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Why do some people run growth hormone releasing peptides instead of HGH?
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songsofpyramids
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If it didn’t cause me histamine reactions I’d still use ipamorelin while on hgh for the sleep hygiene benefits. I’d really love that drug if it didn’t give me an itch reactions.
Proud Pangolin
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Are you sure its not the bac water? That was the issue for me
songsofpyramids
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I only use Hospira and it doesn’t cause issues with other peptides. It’s the ipa. Mod grf 1-29 (the cjc no dac) also caused my body to develop an allergy to it after a year of use so be careful with it as well. The mod grf makes every injection site I’ve ever used mod grf in swell. Both the ipa hives and mod grf allergy happen across multiple vendors. The allergy issue are why both were banned by the FDA for compounding.
Proud Pangolin
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hmm interesting. I got like a red rash in my face from CJC no dac (and or GHRP-2) but since i switched the source (and the bac water) i havent got any reaction. I also used to get specifically from the CJC like 20min high bloodpressure. I could hear my pulse when trying to sleep right after injecting. (Back then i was only doing 3x per day cjc no dac + GHRP-2) but that was also gone with the new source.
Have tried filtering the peptides? Because while obviously the peptide it selt may cause the reaction, other ingredients/bulking agents/impuritys could cause that aswell.
Or maybe try it intra m. with the insulin needles?
(But i would advise using a refillable pen for that in the long term because you wont inject with a dull needle because with syringes you dull the needle when drawing up the peptides.)
songsofpyramids
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Filtering didn’t make a difference which surprised me. I read the FDA pulled the plug on these for compounding because of the immune responses people were having and I might just be one of those unlucky people. Shallow IM shots made the itch more bearable but got worried I was just building the allergy in my system and dropped it and started cycling hgh.
Proud Pangolin
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yeah good call. If i would get such bad side i would do the same. Still weird. As i said i got sides aswell but only from certain sources
john123321
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for height growth they are superior
Macaco brazil
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So, based on your experience and knowledge, has it been more worthwhile to use GHRH (Tesa) + GHRP (ipamorelin) instead of using GH?
I'm using CJC with DAC 1.5mg a week (4 weeks on, 4 weeks off) + MK677 (10mg daily). My IGF-1 reached 197, then dropped to 177 after one week off.
I'm thinking of using GH to try and keep my IGF-1 levels at 250.
I'd like to know your opinion, our oracle. If I start GH, should I maintain this protocol, or switch to TESA + IPA.
Considering that I am using retatrudide 3mg and am having sleep problems (I saw a post considering the use of GH in this case)
If you could answer me, I would be very grateful.
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Ateam2023
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Ghoul is MIA, he got absorbed back into the matrix,
Macaco brazil
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No way, The wisest guy on the forum and a problem solver.
Macaco brazil
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@Ghoul Another think you already said this:
You've got to be careful with weird headaches on rHGH. It increases volume of spinal fluid, and some people have a rare issue that makes it not drain properly. It may not be symptomatic your entire life, but on rHGH pressure in the skull increases, and worst case scenario could cause blindness. If this (headaches you think might be related to rhgh) happens stop immediately and reconsider future use, or at least, if you try again, use a much lower dose and go slow. I've seen this happen to one guy who was 20 using 8iu/day.
I've been having the same problem after a month of use; I feel eye pressure, it seems to be in the back of my eye, often the left one.
It's not continuous, but it always appears and disappears throughout the day.
Anything that produces IGF-1 and elevates it will cause me this problem?
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thejumpingsheep
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For sleep, HGHS will always be better than HGH because they are not reliant on timing. Rather, they support your natural process. So they generally dont make sleep worse and can make it better. HGH has to be timed right or you will get worse sleep. Its more finicky but obviously, with HGH, you can more easily control IGF1 levels once you figure out your dosage.
For sleep with HGH, its person to person. Most will recommend taking it in the morning because your cortisone is already high so it wont make things worse by raising it some more. But some take it at night and despite raising cortisone, they sleep fine.
To get IGF1 to 250 is a different matter. If 1.5mg/wk CJC+DAC & 10mg MK677 arent enough, then you may need to try something else. Did you test your products? Are you sure they are good?
Just as a FYI, my baseline IGF1 is about 220-250 and with 1mg CJC+DAC per week (nothing else) I reach over 400 IGF1. I just reduced it to 0.8mg becuase I didnt really want it that high. I pulled Janos to make sure they are good.
Just curious. Why are you cycling CJC?
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Macaco brazil
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Desensitization
Desregulação do sistema devido à liberação contínua de GH, além de problemas de pressão ocular e intracraniana com cjc DAC.
• GHRH receptor begins to respond less
• Increasingly less effect with the same use
Negative feedback
• Hypothalamus increases somatostatin
•The body begins to block its own GH.
I wanted to use something that wouldn't cause those side effects and that I could use continuously. Have you had any experience with tesamorelin + ipamorelin, HGH?
Proud Pangolin
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i want to disagree. GHRP's wont mean automatically that they improve your sleep and timining is more cruicial than with GH. You have to take them right before falling asleep as they will result in a GH spike very fast while when injecting GH the spike will reach is max. only hours after
Proud Pangolin
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First of all: Dont use GHRHs and GHRPs with such a long half life as MK-677 or CJC DAC. Its stupid as it wilk reault in desens. as you pointed out correctly
I have done any GHRP and GHRH out ther excelt Hexarelin and the only thing that really works is Tesamorelin + Ipamorelin. You need the GHRP (Ipamorelin) to supress the soma. I also use GABA and 9mg of time release melantonin ( 6mg time release an hour before my night dosage and 3mg when injecting it). You could also use Arginine in addition to that. Melatonin and Arginine are strong soma inhibitors.
Proud Pangolin
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Tesmorelin only showed desens. after over 1 year of usage.
As you will certainly go on vacation just build in natural 2-4weeks breaks from time to time in your regime.
2mg of Tesamorelin + 600mcg if Ipamorelin RIGHT before turning off the lights. As close as you can to you beeing asleep.
As i said, for moe effectiveness i would pair it with melantonin and 16g of Arginine (or less if you get stomache issues from it, i wont and its dirt cheap).
im als using in additin to that 2x per day CJC NO dac ane GHRP-2 as both is dirt cheap but not even nearly as potent as Tesamorelin. So you can skip that. For most people the additional injections arent worth the trouble, better to focus on getting everything out of your night dosage of tesa+ipa.
If yoh should decide to do my regime anyway, be aware to space the dosage at least 4h apart. So what we dont want to do is: taking ou CJC+GHRP and then 2h later our Tesa+Ipamorelin because we want our receptors to be active for the Tesa.
The Tesamorelin can do what the CJC cant. CJC no dac will result in one big peak. Thats it. Tesmorelin will do this aswell butni will also result in bigger GH peaks for the following 6h!
CJC WITH dac for example will simple result in GH-bleedinh so the baselevel will be elevated continously (not good). The same thing goes for MK-677 (even though its a GHRP).
Thats why Tesmorelin is the king.
Why Ipamorelin and not GHRP-2? A couple of reasons:
1. With GHRP-2 you reach a saturation dosage. So taking more than 1mcg per kg, lets say 100mcg if you weigh 100kg wont result in more GH release and soma inhibition. Tesmorelin isnt as potent mg for mg but when taking 500-600mcg it achieves a way bigger GH release.
2. Desensitization: Ipamorelin wont result in such strong desensitization as GHRP-2. Even though i have to say that this issue is generally overblown anyways
3. Its cleaner, you wont get hungry or increase cortisol with it
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