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[OEP LABS]

So the material that we have now, what a day of driving, I feel like an Uber and doordash all in one .

Okay more Test Decaonate landed and test prop. TD is the same batch and lot number but it will still be sent in for testing no surprises here or funny business. Both will be sent in.

it will not be given to members nor combined until we have the reports, feel more at ease doing that way. Tonight I'm gonna go ahead and pay for the GCMS report, off memory it does indeed give us some info on the material. At this point something is alot better than nothing.

 

[Duck Eggs]

Save your unusable raws Guaranteed.... thread may be useful in this case.

I think that every time I see a source get lower purity raws (especially cause God knows what the other 10-15% is), but I don't know of any sources here who have the time or appetite to mess with solvents and recrystallization to get an incredibly pure product. I won't speak for Pench, he may have never even seen the thread before or know it's possible, but it's certainly very different work that traditional brewing.

 

[OEP LABS]

I think that every time I see a source get lower purity raws (especially cause God knows what the other 10-15% is), but I don't know of any sources here who have the time or appetite to mess with solvents and recrystallization to get an incredibly pure product. I won't speak for Pench, he may have never even seen the thread before or know it's possible, but it's certainly very different work that traditional brewing.

I’ve seen it. Was there a conclusion in the end a comparison report A then report B higher purty I ask sincerely? I discussed recrytalization with Jano and he advised proper schooling prior too. Do you know how to ? Another sincere question

 

[OEP LABS]

I’ll look into again however I came across below steps and hot acetone ? In the end of that thread didn’t appear to be a solid outcome. Maybe I’ll toy around with the removal of estrogen from Tren pellets to start by crystallizing the estrogen there is reason why estro does that and not Test, can’t remember but will look later

• Dissolve the raw steroid in a high-purity hot solvent (typically 99.5%+ ethanol or acetone).
• Hot filter to remove insoluble trash like oils, waxes, pigments, or binders.
  
  How do I hot filter. I normally filter my oils after heating and stirring. Once they start cooling down I typically run them through a 500 ml 22 micron filter.
  
  
• Crash the steroid out of solution by either cooling it slowly or adding an anti-solvent (e.g. distilled or deionized water).
  
  OK. I have dealt with crazed gear by heating it until it falls back into solution. Not sure how to crash steroid out of solution.
  
  
• Cold filter the solid crystals that form.
  
  Do I do this the same way I filter above?
  
  
• Dry the purified crystals under vacuum or low-temp desiccation.
  
  Not sure I know how to do this either.
  
  I will read the thread more fully to try and answer these questions, but any help is appreciated.

 

[Duck Eggs]

I’ve seen it. Was there a conclusion in the end a comparison report A then report B higher purty I ask sincerely? I discussed recrytalization with Jano and he advised proper schooling prior too. Do you know how to ? Another sincere question

Yes if done properly you can get incredible purity (which can also make compounds require less solvent/hold in higher concentrations). The exact process and solvent(s) will vary slightly depending on the particular raw. The good news is solvents are typically pretty cheap and in some cases reusable. The bad news is your investment is time. Where does it make sense for a brewer like you? A few cases I can think of. Let's say you order a key and it tests low. You have a good relationship with that raw vendor. You reach out and say hey, I'll help you move another 5 key, but I want a 50%+ discount. 20% for the missing 20% purity, 30% for my time to clean it up. You invest time, but you batch process all that raw identically as it's all the same batch and it'll take the same process to clean it all up. THEN you can move that final brew at a premium because it'll be purer than likely 99% of stuff out there. So you invest time, but you can increase your margin due to (hopefully) discount on raws and premium on brewed oil.

 

[OEP LABS]

Yes if done properly you can get incredible purity (which can also make compounds require less solvent/hold in higher concentrations). The exact process and solvent(s) will vary slightly depending on the particular raw. The good news is solvents are typically pretty cheap and in some cases reusable. The bad news is your investment is time. Where does it make sense for a brewer like you? A few cases I can think of. Let's say you order a key and it tests low. You have a good relationship with that raw vendor. You reach out and say hey, I'll help you move another 5 key, but I want a 50%+ discount. 20% for the missing 20% purity, 30% for my time to clean it up. You invest time, but you batch process all that raw identically as it's all the same batch and it'll take the same process to clean it all up. THEN you can move that final brew at a premium because it'll be purer than likely 99% of stuff out there. So you invest time, but you can increase your margin due to (hopefully) discount on raws and premium on brewed oil.

I’ll be honest with you in these times there are far fetch vendors if you think their going to front you 50% on a 5 kg load. I’m not sure if you’ve dealt with the vendors in present time but they are not anywhere near what we used to be.

However, where does it make sense like a brew like me? When there’s not that very many places you can get TD. Make you a deal. Show me the way and I’ll compensate your time, but you gotta guarantee it’s gonna work. If the material is destroyed, well…. you compensate me. I’d rather have something to work with than destroy the whole thing.

 

[Duck Eggs]

I’ll be honest with you in these times there are far fetch vendors if you think their going to front you 50% on a 5 kg load. I’m not sure if you’ve dealt with the vendors in present time but they are not anywhere near what we used to be.

However, where does it make sense like a brew like me? When there’s not that very many places you can get TD. Make you a deal. Show me the way and I’ll compensate your time, but you gotta guarantee it’s gonna work. If the material is destroyed, well…. you compensate me. I’d rather have something to work with than destroy the whole thing.

I'm unfortunately not your guy, wish I could help, but there may be some people in the other thread willing to lend a hand to participate in your profit. The material never gets destroyed. Only issue would be if you pick the wrong solvent and can't remove it. The real question is do you feel it's worth your time. Dissolving, cooling, crashing, evaporating, ECT. The plus is you'll never really have to worry about raw purity.

 

[OEP LABS]

I'm unfortunately not your guy, wish I could help, but there may be some people in the other thread willing to lend a hand to participate in your profit. The material never gets destroyed. Only issue would be if you pick the wrong solvent and can't remove it. The real question is do you feel it's worth your time. Dissolving, cooling, crashing, evaporating, ECT. The plus is you'll never really have to worry about raw purity.

Absolutely worth my time. I wouldn’t have offered the deal if it wasn’t. Not able to remove a certain solvent would deem the material unusable though. Same same, destroyed.

When you say other thread you mean home brew section? You gotta come with answers or else I’m not gonna take you serious. I wouldn’t waste your time, however it appears, no disrespect your saying a lot without saying a lot. I’m not gonna pull answers out of you. That itself requires too much effort. Let me know when you’re serious or they’re serious in the other thread. Have to finish this transfer of media.

If your next response is not serious you won’t get response. Have lots to do

 

[Dial It In]

Absolutely worth my time. I wouldn’t have offered the deal if it wasn’t. Not able to remove a certain solvent would deem the material unusable though. Same same, destroyed.

When you say other thread you mean home brew section? You gotta come with answers or else I’m not gonna take you serious. I wouldn’t waste your time, however it appears, no disrespect your saying a lot without saying a lot. I’m not gonna pull answers out of you. That itself requires too much effort. Let me know when you’re serious or they’re serious in the other thread. Have to finish this transfer of media.

If your next response is not serious you won’t get response. Have lots to do

He’s talking about that save your raws thread. That’s where he read that stuff. That’s the thread with the biggest ass clown on Meso who’s just waiting for LE to knock his door down.

 

[OEP LABS]

He’s talking about that save your raws thread. That’s where he read that stuff. That’s the thread with the biggest ass clown on Meso who’s just waiting for LE to knock his door down.

Thank you sir. Good looking out, this will be my last response towards any of those individuals involved in that thread.

I’ll figured it out another way

 

[Duck Eggs]

Thank you sir. Good looking out, this will be my last response towards any of those individuals involved in that thread.

I’ll figured it out another way

Pench, I'm not involved in that thread. I was simply pointing you towards it as a resource if you were finding lower purity raws frustrating. With the current raw market, producers are getting away with cutting corners because whatever they make will generally sell. I brought it up because you seem to be someone who cares deeply about your product and process. Only meant to be helpful. Cheers.

 

[Photon]

I’ll look into again however I came across below steps and hot acetone ? In the end of that thread didn’t appear to be a solid outcome.

Personal opinion is not to bother.
1) not worth the time
2) not easy to do for test D
3) there's no UGL lab that can test if the solvent used is actually removed from the compound

I did do it out of curiosity since i received some crappy Tren from AASRaws I did not plan on using.

Insanely strong chemical smell, clumpy, looked like fiber..probably soaked with chemicals..sigh
Pic was shared by @pipo , but same batch.


Cleaned it up using 99.7% ethanol, i lost like 20% i believe, but i was just being lazy (since i didn't plan on using it). It completely got rid of the smell, looked really pretty but..



Purity only budged a little.
Before: Janoshik Analytical
After: Janoshik Analytical

86.69->88.4. Gain of 1.71%. For all we know it could just be a testing variance.

Simply put...
You create a homogeneous solution using high heat and a solvent that doesn't dissolve the AAS well..Crash the AAS out badly (cold temperature, freezer, evaporating the solvent to increase mg/ml concentration, or by adding something to dilute the solvent), filter out the AAS crystals then dry it.

It was fun tho!
I did it a second time!
Purity should get better with each repeated attempt, but the net yield gets lesser and lesser.
(did not test lol)

 

[OEP LABS]

Personal opinion is not to bother.
1) not worth the time
2) not easy to do for test D
3) there's no UGL lab that can test if the solvent used is actually removed from the compound

I did do it out of curiosity since i received some crappy Tren from AASRaws I did not plan on using.

Insanely strong chemical smell, clumpy, looked like fiber..probably soaked with chemicals..sigh
View attachment 375339

Cleaned it up using 99.7% ethanol, i lost like 20% i believe, but i was just being lazy (since i didn't plan on using it). It completely got rid of the smell, looked really pretty but..

View attachment 375340

Purity only budged a little.
Before: Janoshik Analytical
After: Janoshik Analytical

86.69->88.4. Gain of 1.71%. For all we know it could just be a testing variance.

Simply put...
You create a homogeneous solution using high heat and a solvent that doesn't dissolve the AAS well..Crash the AAS out badly (cold temperature, freezer, evaporating the solvent to increase mg/ml concentration, or by adding something to dilute the solvent), filter out the AAS crystals then dry it.

It was fun tho!
I did it a second time!
Purity should get better with each repeated attempt, but the net yield gets lesser and lesser.
(did not test lol)
View attachment 375341

This is exactly what I was looking for a comparison between report A and the higher purity Report B. Outstanding work Photon maybe 1 day I can pick your mind on it, compensate your time with no catch on my end if the material gets damaged hell with it, it gets damaged.

 

[dinfar1337]

This is exactly what I was looking for a comparison between report A and the higher purity Report B. Outstanding work Photon maybe 1 day I can pick your mind on it, compensate your time with no catch on my end if the material gets damaged hell with it, it gets damaged.

for honest thoughts.

his solvent choice was really poor with tren e reflecting a bad purity gain.

i've not done recrystallaztion yet in aas but i believe you should be able to get better purity gain with better solvent.

although its just walter and bunch of nobodies who have done it so far i cant tell for sure how well it works in AAS.

 

[Photon]

for honest thoughts.

his solvent choice was really poor with tren e reflecting a bad purity gain.

i've not done recrystallaztion yet in aas but i believe you should be able to get better purity gain with better solvent.

although its just walter and bunch of nobodies who have done it so far i cant tell for sure how well it works in AAS.

I totally agree
1) a better solvent
2) slower crash

Could get a better purity.
But then you're face with another issue of getting that solvent out. Ethanol is used in pharma injectables so that's the only one I was willing to use.

I believe some used acetone and hexane..I'm not taking any chances with those lol

 

[dinfar1337]

I totally agree
1) a better solvent
2) slower crash

Could get a better purity.
But then you're face with another issue of getting that solvent out. Ethanol is used in pharma injectables so that's the only one I was willing to use.

I believe some used acetone and hexane..I'm not taking any chances with those lol

ethanol and acetone is defiently the go to.

both are class 3, residuals aren't a big problem as long as its not in big amounts.

hexane and other stuff i would probably steer away from.

we can all expect some kind of residual solvents with diy home setups

 

[OEP LABS]

for honest thoughts.

his solvent choice was really poor with tren e reflecting a bad purity gain.

i've not done recrystallaztion yet in aas but i believe you should be able to get better purity gain with better solvent.

although its just walter and bunch of nobodies who have done it so far i cant tell for sure how well it works in AAS.

Agreed especially with #3 in which @Photon pointed out about detecting any residual traces of solvent left behind would be determinantal for me in itself. More so I think why Jano stated it took proper schooling and possibly high end equipment

 

[dinfar1337]

possibly high end equipment

defiently. big up on very high end expensive equipment.

not only are we just retards using it ourselves.

when you sell it to people you have to take that kind of responsbility to not kill someone other than yourself.

 

[OEP LABS]

defiently. big up on very high end expensive equipment.

not only are we just retards using it ourselves.

when you sell it to people you have to take that kind of responsbility to not kill someone other than yourself.

After discussing the solvent side of this subject and how harsh they are. Its safe to say as Vendor myself not to mess with any of that.

 

[Oldhand]

After discussing the solvent side of this subject and how harsh they are. Its safe to say as Vendor myself not to mess with any of that.

I know you will make the right/safe choice…. One must wonder if the solvents are worse then the impurities.