Defiant Pharma (US Domestic)

[Elektrobot]

If you don’t want to run an ai. Id suggest adding a little primo or eq

It's not so much that I don't want to run an AI. I was just hoping to find a dose of test that put me above my natty level but didn't require any ancillaries to tolerate. That just might not be in the cards for me.

The plan was find my tolerable trt dose, then cycle up with test prop and add a second compound or AI to control E2, and use TNE a few times a week PWO

But if I'm already at 90-100 E2 at TRT doses I don't know if going heavy on test is the best idea.

Not sure if I should consider other compounds like deca, with very low dose test cyp... or just say fck it and let it rip with test and an AI

 

[Defiant Pharma]

It's not so much that I don't want to run an AI. I was just hoping to find a dose of test that put me above my natty level but didn't require any ancillaries to tolerate. That just might not be in the cards for me.

The plan was find my tolerable trt dose, then cycle up with test prop and add a second compound or AI to control E2, and use TNE a few times a week PWO

But if I'm already at 90-100 E2 at TRT doses I don't know if going heavy on test is the best idea.

Not sure if I should consider other compounds like deca, with very low dose test cyp... or just say fck it and let it rip with test and an AI

I might have missed it but, how long have you been on your TRT dose now?

 

[Erock523]

It's not so much that I don't want to run an AI. I was just hoping to find a dose of test that put me above my natty level but didn't require any ancillaries to tolerate. That just might not be in the cards for me.

The plan was find my tolerable trt dose, then cycle up with test prop and add a second compound or AI to control E2, and use TNE a few times a week PWO

But if I'm already at 90-100 E2 at TRT doses I don't know if going heavy on test is the best idea.

Not sure if I should consider other compounds like deca, with very low dose test cyp... or just say fck it and let it rip with test and an AI

A lot of people are against ais. I used to think that too but my coach has pretty much convinced me they’re not the devil and he’s yet to lead me wrong before so I use them. Next cycle I am going to run eq for the first time and try to dial in my e2 with it though.

 

[Elektrobot]

I might have missed it but, how long have you been on your TRT dose now?

Dropped to 15mg/day 40 days ago. Was previously at 25mg/day

 

[newguy2]

would you guys say TNE is newbie friendly? i'm only 8 months enhanced. worth trying it PWO for fun?

side note im also midst a 500mg/wk test cycle

I've mentioned this before and it may be just me. I got excited about it on my first cycle (500mg test) and started taking it about 4x a week pwo. Was doing about 50-75mg. It shot my hematocrit to 56.9. I cut out the tne and did a blood dump and stayed at 50 the rest of the cycle.

So I now use it sparingly.

 

[Turkeybuilder]

I've mentioned this before and it may be just me. I got excited about it on my first cycle (500mg test) and started taking it about 4x a week pwo. Was doing about 50-75mg. It shot my hematocrit to 56.9. I cut out the tne and did a blood dump and stayed at 50 the rest of the cycle.

So I now use it sparingly.

Knowing you other restrictions/preferences around typical PWOs (like orals), I think TNE is a good option. I just started using it, so can only speak from very limited first hand experience. But from what I’ve read, it’s relatively safe at reasonable doses. Start at 25mg and work your way up from there. I know many people will only use it a few days per week.

As long as you're comfortable using a mug warmer or something similar to dissolve it before injecting, and start with maybe 25mg, you should be fine. ~1 hour preworkout is good timing for most. It doesn't stick around long enough to aromatize to any great extent, so estrogenic activity isn't a concern. I wouldn't count it toward your weekly test total. I'd say it's a solid preworkout, and one of the safer ones too.

is it even worth taking if i dont have a problem getting "into it" during my workout? i still dont really know the benefits of it lol it seems like it just gets you amped up?

 

[Photon]

is it even worth taking if i dont have a problem getting "into it" during my workout? i still dont really know the benefits of it lol it seems like it just gets you amped up?

I pin it 7days a week.
Just try it.

 

[Turkeybuilder]

I pin it 7days a week.
Just try it.

I’m very tempted to

 

[ackmack78]

As long as you're comfortable using a mug warmer or something similar to dissolve it before injecting, and start with maybe 25mg, you should be fine. ~1 hour preworkout is good timing for most. It doesn't stick around long enough to aromatize to any great extent, so estrogenic activity isn't a concern. I wouldn't count it toward your weekly test total. I'd say it's a solid preworkout, and one of the safer ones too.

I just used it for the first time today. Only did 25mg and didn't really get much of it. It's only been like 50 minutes. But I'm thinking on 1.5g total gear that 25mg is probably not enough to really notice. Gear doesn't really affect me mentally so I'm not surprised. Even 150mg of anadrol ED doesn't give me any extra drive, just strength and crippling back pumps

 

[Ateam2023]

would you guys say TNE is newbie friendly? i'm only 8 months enhanced. worth trying it PWO for fun?

side note im also midst a 500mg/wk test cycle

Go for it start off at 50 mg per dose and adjust from there. , everyone recommended 25 mg but the stuff I have is 100 mg/mL and I can only handle comfortably .75 ML is my sweet spot one full ML kind of overstimulates me a bit

 

[brutalbuilt]

Got Deca Raw results back. Not the best but still satisfactory I'd say.

This came from AnnaWatts on here in case anyone was wondering.

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as long as the finished oils for deca are dosed correctly and not underdosed thats all that matters

 

[RockyP]

I just used it for the first time today. Only did 25mg and didn't really get much of it. It's only been like 50 minutes. But I'm thinking on 1.5g total gear that 25mg is probably not enough to really notice. Gear doesn't really affect me mentally so I'm not surprised. Even 150mg of anadrol ED doesn't give me any extra drive, just strength and crippling back pumps

What else are you running in that 1.5 g? May want to try 50 mg next time. And be sure you are hydrated and carbed up to get the full benefit in terms of strength and pumps. I've been playing around with some oral pre-workouts as well as transdermal TNE but I'm very depleted and I don't get much out of them other than increased pumps and vascularity unless I have a high carb day the day before.

 

[Photon]

as long as the finished oils for deca are dosed correctly and not underdosed thats all that matters

That's as good as saying you'll pin any crap as long as it's dosed right..

(The deca purity is fine tho imo)

 

[RockyP]

Other vendors have recently shown us that they can hit the mark with their advertised compound but there can be other shit lurking in the oil. I have no such concerns for Defiant, but raws purity matters.

 

[ackmack78]

What else are you running in that 1.5 g? May want to try 50 mg next time. And be sure you are hydrated and carbed up to get the full benefit in terms of strength and pumps. I've been playing around with some oral pre-workouts as well as transdermal TNE but I'm very depleted and I don't get much out of them other than increased pumps and vascularity unless I have a high carb day the day before.

800 Test 400 EQ 300 Deca, I'm definitely carbed up & hydrated. I'll go with 50 next time. Some extra strength would be nice, my pumps are already pretty good especially with some pre Humalog but I'd really like to see some extra drive, focus, aggression. Something to give me that extra drive before I squat.

 

[RockyP]

800 Test 400 EQ 300 Deca, I'm definitely carbed up & hydrated. I'll go with 50 next time. Some extra strength would be nice, my pumps are already pretty good especially with some pre Humalog but I'd really like to see some extra drive, focus, aggression. Something to give me that extra drive before I squat.

Sounds like a job for some Halotestin

 

[brutalbuilt]

That's as good as saying you'll pin any crap as long as it's dosed right..

(The deca purity is fine tho imo)

if the purity was lower i wouldnt have said that... tf you talkin bout

you even agree the purity is fine

 

[AllGoodThings]

if the purity was lower i wouldnt have said that... tf you talkin bout

you even agree the purity is fine

My guess is that Photon read your post as;

"(regardless of any purity %) as long as the finished oils for deca are dosed correctly and not underdosed thats all that matters" with the parenthesis part being an incorrect assumption on his part.

When what you were actually saying is;

"(at that specific tested purity level) as long as the finished oils for deca are dosed correctly and not underdosed thats all that matters"

 

[brutalbuilt]

My guess is that Photon read your post as;

"(regardless of any purity %) as long as the finished oils for deca are dosed correctly and not underdosed thats all that matters" with the parenthesis part being an incorrect assumption on his part.

When what you were actually saying is;

"(at that specific tested purity level) as long as the finished oils for deca are dosed correctly and not underdosed thats all that matters"

well thats his fault for being a dumbass

 

[Oldhand]