What time would be the best for me?

[nicholas0721]

Ive heard a lot of people say its best to pin your hgh at night or day but what matter is that you don’t eat 2 hours before or 2 hours after. My question is what time would be the best time to pin because of my busy schedule. On a regular day I get up at 7 AM and eat breakfast around 7:30. Then i go to school from 8-1pm. After that I go to work at 1:30-7pm. After i get out of work i got to the gym 7pm to 9 pm and eat my last meal around 9:30pm and go to bed at 10:30 to get 8 hours of sleep. So what would be the best time for me to take it because no matter what time im always eating an hour before or after. Any help would be appreciated thank you

 

[Ghoul]

It depends on what you’re using it for. What effect are you most interested in.

 

[nicholas0721]

It depends on what you’re using it for. What effect are you most interested in.

Muscle gain mostly

 

[Cyp180]

20 years old and HGH use ?

 

[nicholas0721]

20 years old and HGH use ?

yes is that bad lol

 

[Ghoul]

Muscle gain mostly

Morning just before your breakfast then. This maximizes IGF-1 production for a “pro anabolic environment” since insulin will rise post meal, which is the key hormone the liver needs to speed up the GH -> IGF-1 process.

For maximum fat loss you’d want to delay that insulin increase so conversion to IGF is delayed, you keep GH levels as high as possible, and they can directly act on fat cells releasing FFAs. In other words, maximizing lipolysis.

 

[Ghoul]

yes is that bad lol

You’d better monitor your IGF-1, and make sure your Z score isn’t above 3, or you’re risking becoming one ugly mfer for the rest of your life.

 

[nicholas0721]

Morning just before your breakfast then. This maximizes IGF-1 production for a “pro anabolic environment” since insulin will rise post meal, which is the key hormone the liver needs to speed up the GH -> IGF-1 process.

For maximum fat loss you’d want to delay that insulin increase so conversion to IGF is delayed, you keep GH levels as high as possible, and they can directly act on fat cells releasing FFAs. In other words, maximizing lipolysis.

Thanks and should i eat a high carb meal or low carb meal with high protein?

 

[nicholas0721]

You’d better monitor your IGF-1, and make sure your Z score isn’t above 3, or you’re risking becoming one ugly mfer for the rest of your life

Why is that? Are you talking about the increase of bone mass or something else?

 

[Ghoul]

Thanks and should i eat a high carb meal or low carb meal with high protein?

More carbs -> more insulin. But I think this maxes out pretty quickly, other things limit how much IGF your liver can produce. So don’t go out of your way to eat more carbs than usual.

 

[Ghoul]

Why is that? Are you talking about the increase of bone mass or something else?

IGF-1 controls cell division. Above a certain level of this it goes from “increased cell turnover / growth” to “abnormal cell growth”.

The effects are very slow, so many people don’t notice them, sometimes for years. It’s cartilage, soft tissue, and organs first, bone is much later.

Z score 2 is the highest IGF that’s stil physiological. Z 3 is supraphysiological but unlikely to cause problems. Above that is the danger zone, and the high it is above 3, the faster the ugliness comes on.

Computer simulation of you at 22 after a year or two of Z score 4.

 

[nicholas0721]

IGF-1 controls cell division. Above a certain level of this it goes from “increased cell turnover / growth” to “abnormal cell growth”.

The effects are very slow, so many people don’t notice them, sometimes for years. It’s cartilage, soft tissue, and organs first, bone is much later.

Z score 2 is the highest IGF that’s stil physiological. Z 3 is supraphysiological but unlikely to cause problems. Above that is the danger zone, and the high it is above 3, the faster the ugliness comes on.

Computer simulation of you at 22 after a year or two of Z score 4.

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Lmao okay thanks for the input. Im sure that wont happen unless im blasting over 10ius per days for years. Which i wont even be remotely close to doing that. 6ius max And for 4-6 month cycle

 

[Ghoul]

Lmao okay thanks for the input. Im sure that wont happen unless im blasting over 10ius per days for years. Which i wont even be remotely close to doing that. 6ius max And for 4-6 month cycle

You have no idea what your IGF is without testing. Some hyper responders get sky high IGF on 2ius, or very low IGF on 8ius.

IGF is what guides the dose,

If you’re in the US you can get the test for less than $50 from some place like jasonhealth, and get the blood draw at a local lab.

Don’t be stupid and go into this blind. Just get a test at least two weeks after using a particular dose.

 

[nicholas0721]

You have no idea what your IGF is without testing. Some hyper responders get sky high IGF on 2ius, or very low IGF on 8ius.

If you’re in the US you can get the test for less than $50 from some place like jasonhealth, and get the blood draw at a local lab.

Don’t be stupid and go into this blind. Just get a test at least two weeks after using a particular dose.

Sure i will get testing done. Thats why im starting at 2ius to see how my body responds.

 

[nicholas0721]

You have no idea what your IGF is without testing. Some hyper responders get sky high IGF on 2ius, or very low IGF on 8ius.

IGF is what guides the dose,

If you’re in the US you can get the test for less than $50 from some place like jasonhealth, and get the blood draw at a local lab.

Don’t be stupid and go into this blind. Just get a test at least two weeks after using a particular dose.

Oh and one last question. When i go and do my test. Should i use the current dose or a higher dose? Also how long before should i pin before doing my test? Anything else i should know to do before?

 

[Ghoul]

Oh and one last question. When i go and do my test. Should i use the current dose or a higher dose? Also how long before should i pin before doing my test? Anything else i should know to do before?

You want to know what your IGF is on the same stable dose you’ve been using for at least 2 weeks.

There’s no need for special timing (the only applies to GH tests, which you don’t need), in fact, don’t change anything before testing. For follow up tests, you’ll want to take them at roughly the same time as the first test, so you’re comparing apples to apples.

Good for you man, getting IGF tested makes you smarter than 75% of rHGH users, and probably 99% of those your age.

 

[nicholas0721]

For sure, prioritizing health is the most imporant thing im going to do while doing PEDs. Thanks a lot for your help and info really appreciate it.

 

[Ghoul]

For sure, prioritizing health is the most imporant thing im going to do while doing PEDs. Thanks a lot for your help and info really appreciate it.

Who knows, the results may not even end up being about “boring” safety, you may find you need a higher dose than expected to get IGF in the optimal range, so it could just as likely be a tool to make your investment in this more effective, not just safer.

 

[Laworg]

Ive heard a lot of people say its best to pin your hgh at night or day but what matter is that you don’t eat 2 hours before or 2 hours after. My question is what time would be the best time to pin because of my busy schedule. On a regular day I get up at 7 AM and eat breakfast around 7:30. Then i go to school from 8-1pm. After that I go to work at 1:30-7pm. After i get out of work i got to the gym 7pm to 9 pm and eat my last meal around 9:30pm and go to bed at 10:30 to get 8 hours of sleep. So what would be the best time for me to take it because no matter what time im always eating an hour before or after. Any help would be appreciated thank you

I split up my dose majority in the morning and rest at night i read that the spike in morning fasted is much bigger than at night correct me if im wrong.