E2/Test ratio critique- intermediate experience AI

[Mfras]

Howdy

I have my baseline TRT cruise dialed in great- 200 TestC and .5mg anastrozole/week. Had some learning experiences with mild blasts, but nothing crazy in the past.

Just got done 8 weeks trying a TRT+ type run during a recomp/cut and got bloods after- it was 300 testC/100 mastP per week pinned MWF. I tried using the same .5mg anastrozole mondays but used 12.5mg aromasin W and F.

I felt good the whole time- lively bedroom, nips not ever spicy, mood great.

I know higher e2 can be beneficial in ratio to test, depending on individual response. On TRT dose my e2 is mid/high 30s, test high 600s in the trough. After this cycle it was high 60s e2, 1600/590free T. Other bloods all great too.

Any comments or direction in terms of T/e2 ratios and mixing or not and relative strength of anastrozole vs aromasin (I do understand the difference in AI process and sides) would be appreciated!

Thanks

 

[BigDadd7]

Numbers look good

 

[Mfras]

Numbers look good

Thanks, that’s reassuring!

Wasn’t sure if maybe I was pushing e2 a little high and the taste of mast in there made it feel ok. But I have read about the benefits of well tolerated higher e2 and that it maybe even should be higher when T goes over natural range with it. I know that even with Mast at 125mg/week nips get spicy in the mid/high 90s e2 but never stayed there long enough to really get into gyno trouble & never got emotional or bedroom probs.

I am still curious about people’s opinions/anecdotes concerning the effects of arimidex vs aromasin. For me maybe 12.5 aromasin is similar to .5 arimidex? I have a good supply of both on hand but it could become important at some point if I can only find one or the other and primo is still not an option.

Not willing to take the time and $ to dial in EQ when you have to push so much load ml/mg wise depending on supply/concentration availability.

And I’m fat, high teens bf%, so hopefully things will change as I approach 10% and I can dial back the AIs for blast and hopefully skip em for cruise. Not planning any mass cycles until abs pop anyway- only have all 6 in the harshest light right now

 

[buck]

I have never seen any real studies show a ratio of T to E2 is as healthy or healthier then just keeping E2 in range.

 

[Mfras]

I have never seen any real studies show a ratio of T to E2 is as healthy or healthier then just keeping E2 in range.

Yeah I guess it’s anecdotal? I try to look to published studies for this stuff if possible, but a lot of times the default is to scour the forums etc and read everything I can find, then try to decide what’s safest and best for me, try it and find out the hard way. It can be hard to avoid bro science and trends in PED thinking/use but not terrible since I’m much more cruise than blast, and very conservative in both.

In my case with this latest bloodwork I’m relying on the synthesis of all the stuff I’ve read and which ideas (wrong or right) stuck in my head- more e2 has health, mood, & libido benefits until sides come and then more is definitely bad for health mood & libido plus the danger is irreversable gyno if pushed high too long. And also a lot of folks saying that individual tolerance before sides creep in is totally variable so the number means almost nothing until you have a problem and need to check bloods to see how you can address the problem- dbol? AI? Drop the cycle and pct?

Luckily I am back to real TRT cruise and the little 8 week TRT+ “blast” was a total success. I lost 7lbs eating 2150cals/day with 220g protein on a 5 day lifting split and if the dexa is to be believed (did bloods & dexa before & after the 8 weeks) I gained almost 2lbs of muscle. My lifts all went up, so I tend to believe the dexa that good recomp happened!

Anyway, there is so much right and wrong info out there but things like floating a thread here can be helpful after doing conservative little experiments on my own physiology and getting decently meaningful data back.

 

[Liter O' Test]

this "ratio" that keeps getting repeated by beginners, idk where it comes from but its dumb and makes zero sense. i dont see any serious people mention this.

keep estrogen in range, twenty to 40. you can do higher but i dont reccomend, especially over 60.

 

[buck]

Yeah I guess it’s anecdotal? I try to look to published studies for this stuff if possible, but a lot of times the default is to scour the forums etc and read everything I can find, then try to decide what’s safest and best for me, try it and find out the hard way. It can be hard to avoid bro science and trends in PED thinking/use but not terrible since I’m much more cruise than blast, and very conservative in both.

In my case with this latest bloodwork I’m relying on the synthesis of all the stuff I’ve read and which ideas (wrong or right) stuck in my head- more e2 has health, mood, & libido benefits until sides come and then more is definitely bad for health mood & libido plus the danger is irreversable gyno if pushed high too long. And also a lot of folks saying that individual tolerance before sides creep in is totally variable so the number means almost nothing until you have a problem and need to check bloods to see how you can address the problem- dbol? AI? Drop the cycle and pct?

Luckily I am back to real TRT cruise and the little 8 week TRT+ “blast” was a total success. I lost 7lbs eating 2150cals/day with 220g protein on a 5 day lifting split and if the dexa is to be believed (did bloods & dexa before & after the 8 weeks) I gained almost 2lbs of muscle. My lifts all went up, so I tend to believe the dexa that good recomp happened!

Anyway, there is so much right and wrong info out there but things like floating a thread here can be helpful after doing conservative little experiments on my own physiology and getting decently meaningful data back.

Side effects show up after damage has been going on awhile. Just look at high blood pressure or high glucose levels as an example.

If gyno or how you feel is all you are worried about then higher E2 may be fine.

From some small studies i have seen guys with heart issues tend to have high E2. Did the high E2 cause that? No real way to know.

We all make our choices with what to be comfortable with.

 

[Mfras]

Side effects show up after damage has been going on awhile. Just look at high blood pressure or high glucose levels as an example.

If gyno or how you feel is all you are worried about then higher E2 may be fine.

From some small studies i have seen guys with heart issues tend to have high E2. Did the high E2 cause that? No real way to know.

We all make our choices with what to be comfortable with.

This kind of thoughtful info is why I’m here and bothered to try to spark discussion about what I can learn from my experiment. Thank you.

Next time I play in the deeper waters of the kiddie pool I’ll be just slightly more aggressive with my AI protocols, and get mid cycle bloodwork if I’m going any longer than 8 weeks even if I still feel good.

 

[Mfras]

this "ratio" that keeps getting repeated by beginners, idk where it comes from but its dumb and makes zero sense. i dont see any serious people mention this.

keep estrogen in range, twenty to 40. you can do higher but i dont reccomend, especially over 60.

Good info. Thank you.

 

[Dav1D3XT]

Yo dude, your run was clean as hell.

• E2 in the high 60s at 1600 total and you felt awesome? That’s literally your sweet spot, ratio is whatever, you proved it.
• Mixing 0.5 mg adex Mon + 12.5 asin W/F is a sneaky good move with MWF pins, keeps E2 flat, no rebound, mood stays high. A ton of us do exactly that now.
• 100 mg mast P helped a bunch too, it’s basically a baby AI itself.

Next time you could probably even drop the Monday adex and just run 12.5 asin M/W/F and let E2 sit low 70s-80, bet you’d feel even better.


Sick bloods man, nothing to fix here.

 

[Liter O' Test]

Yo dude, your run was clean as hell.

• E2 in the high 60s at 1600 total and you felt awesome? That’s literally your sweet spot, ratio is whatever, you proved it.
• Mixing 0.5 mg adex Mon + 12.5 asin W/F is a sneaky good move with MWF pins, keeps E2 flat, no rebound, mood stays high. A ton of us do exactly that now.
• 100 mg mast P helped a bunch too, it’s basically a baby AI itself.

Next time you could probably even drop the Monday adex and just run 12.5 asin M/W/F and let E2 sit low 70s-80, bet you’d feel even better.


Sick bloods man, nothing to fix here.

A.I

 

[BulkBuddy]

Your numbers look pretty good! Honestly, I wouldn't get too hung up on chasing a specific T to E2 ratio. As long as your E2 is in a healthy range and you feel good, that's what really matters. I've seen some people say the same thing – there aren't really any solid studies showing a specific ratio is healthier than just keeping E2 in range. ‍

 

[Mfras]

Thanks Bulk Buddy. @Liter O' Test are you saying the above response was a member using AI or some kinda bot? I’m old and participated in lots of car & bike forums in the oughts but the AI stuff creeping in is new to me!

Currently holding steady at 300T 100mast recomp/cutting cruise with 4-5iu GH split AM/PM for the planned duration to finish my current cut (est. 25lbs left!) but did add in 70-80mg deca per week about 4 weeks ago in an old man joint comfort experiment. I have experience with mild NPP blasts so I’m watching for any (managable) mental sides and hoping for some minor smoothing of creaks. Don’t expect lifts to get easier but wouldn’t mind!

Just sent blood for a solo sensitive e2 test because I’m cheap and all other markers have been in range or improving on a similar protocol- e2 from Quest always seems to take 7-10 days so I’ll find out soon how I’ve been doing on estrogen management for the current protocol.