Is it Primo? or is it EQ?

[k710]

All this text and paragraphs, when the only logical common sense answer is to test it with jano. lol

Oh no, my tism is showing lol sorry for the info dump.

I also dont have a lot of irl people that I can nerd out over this stuff with so it was enjoyable to write lol

 

[Tbaz192]

Oh no, my tism is showing lol sorry for the info dump.

I also dont have a lot of irl people that I can nerd out over this stuff with so it was enjoyable to write lol

I honestly feel that haha

 

[k710]

Update: Re-establishing baselines - Back to basics

- Dropped xt-Primo 60mg/week.
- Dropped HCG.
- Dropped xt-Test-c 300mg/week.

- Started Primal Pharma Test-e @ 200mg/week.
- Added P-5-P 100mg daily to supplement routine.

- Testosterone only, no AI. Labdraw to compare in 4-6 weeks.
- Asses if hyporesponder or previous test was underdosed via results.
- Draw Labs: e2, prolactin, testosterone and ferretin @ minimum.
- Full annual labs from primary doctor first week November.
- Further lab work up discussed once all lab work is received.
- Use data to determine compound selections
- Repeat procress all over again.

 

[Whistles77]

Update: Re-establishing baselines - Back to basics

- Dropped xt-Primo 60mg/week.
- Dropped HCG.
- Dropped xt-Test-c 300mg/week.

- Started Primal Pharma Test-e @ 200mg/week.
- Added P-5-P 100mg daily to supplement routine.

- Testosterone only, no AI. Labdraw to compare in 4-6 weeks.
- Asses if hyporesponder or previous test was underdosed via results.
- Draw Labs: e2, prolactin, testosterone and ferretin @ minimum.
- Full annual labs from primary doctor first week November.
- Further lab work up discussed once all lab work is received.
- Use data to determine compound selections
- Repeat procress all over again.

Solid plan to stabilize. How are you going to split your weekly dose?

 

[k710]

Solid plan to stabilize. How are you going to split your weekly dose?

Going to continue with daily IM injections

 

[k710]

Update: Re-establishing baselines - Back to basics

- Dropped xt-Primo 60mg/week.
- Dropped HCG.
- Dropped xt-Test-c 300mg/week.

- Started Primal Pharma Test-e @ 200mg/week.
- Added P-5-P 100mg daily to supplement routine.

- Testosterone only, no AI. Labdraw to compare in 4-6 weeks.
- Asses if hyporesponder or previous test was underdosed via results.
- Draw Labs: e2, prolactin, testosterone and ferretin @ minimum.
- Full annual labs from primary doctor first week November.
- Further lab work up discussed once all lab work is received.
- Use data to determine compound selections
- Repeat procress all over again.

10 days in:

My mood has improved and joints feel much better. Night/Day difference.
My hair has stopped shedding like crazy (been using kx-826 too). Hair smoothed out again from looking almost fried, skin isnt as dry/flakey anymore, acne has been a little more aggressive. Libido improved (almost too much) but still hard af to climax. Energy levels continue climbing out of the depths of hell.

Id like to say my e2 is no longer crashed and the signs of increased estradiol levels are there. Im still going to hold steady till 11/12 to run labs again.

My thoughts so far:
E2 recovered surprisingly fast.. Even while dropping compounds and dropping test dose. I thought I was going to be in for a long recovery reducing my T dose. I guess this is the benefit of starting compounds at low dosages.

Will update again in about 2 weeks.

 

[xrayphoton13]

Daily IM is a huge pain in the ass. I've tried for a cycle. Anything more than 3 days a week and I start to hate what I'm doing.

Anyway I was gonna say lower the test but it looks like you have. Yes, primo can lower your e2 that much. That's not exclusive to EQ.

P5p is a placebo at best. Waste of money like caber IMHO. Control your e2 and you'll never have to worry about prolactin

 

[Thorshammer]

Brother when it comes to aromitization and compounds like EQ and primo that have mild AI affects using bloods to determine if one is real or not is like speculating if lizard people control the world. Send a sample to the lab and find out. I hate scammers but there is a lot of labs that take pride in their craft and want to make a name for themselves so its only fair we base our assumptions on solid data and bloodwork is not it with this.

 

[NightBeast666]

Hey all,

I wanted to ask for some opinions on my current compound situation and labs.

Quick recap:
So I started my first t-cycle on 7/4/25 with 200mg test-c weekly split into daily IM injections.
4 weeks later, I pulled labs again to see how things were going. E2 was at 22.1. T levels were at 1402.
Decided to bump T up to 300 to push e2 a bit higher and find my estrogen threshold.
3 weeks later, e2 sides came in hot. Ran e2, results came back at 60H. Threshold found.
Decided to introduce a low dose Primo.. 30mg 2x/week to manage estrogen. 3 weeks later, repulled labs and e2 came back at 32.
Began feeling pretty crapy, body was hurting, hair shedding like crazy, skin dry, bloated pretty quickly, and fatigued w/ heavy brain fog
Concerned, I ran testing again on 10/9 and T levels were 1524 and e2 came back at 9.

Concerns:
-LOWW estradiol; Long ester, best way to restore
-Primo at such a small dose shouldnt cuz e2 so drastically from what Ive read.
-Im assuming it was faked with EQ, but the cut in e2 almst seems too aggresive for 60mg/week dosage of EQ.
-Addressing e2, finding a different path forward without using this mystery compound throwing off all my testing.

Options for e2:
- Keep "prim.EQ" in place and raise testosterone a bit to help e2 recover while dealing with the long ester. Get e2 to healthy range and maintain.
- Cut "Prim.EQ" out and allow e2 to recover. Control e2 with AI or try mast-p to see if it affects estrogen for me.
- Cut questionable compound, bump test to recover e2, once in healthy range introduce Mast-p or NPP.
- Reconsider Primo when trusted source has avaialble again.
- Get E.Q from trusted source when becomes avaialbe again (this time knowing compound and tested strength)

Blood work:

7/2/25 - Pre-ped baseline
Test - 608
TSH 1.300
Prolactin 15.7
PSA 0.5
Estradiol 23.3 (sensitive)

8/18/25 - 6 week follow labs
Test - 1402
Estradiol - 22.1 (standard)

9/11/25 - 3.5 weeks later (Test up to 300mg)
Estradiol - 60 (standard)

9/29/25 - "Prim.EQ" introduced at 30mg 2x/week (60mg/week)
Estradiol - 34 (standard)

10/09/25 - "Sensitive testing for confirmation"
Total Test (MS) - 1524
Estradiol LC/MS - 9
Prolactin - 14.4

Any suggestions on how you would move forward would be greatly appreciated. I have lab review consultation with my coach on wednesday, but Im technically suppossed to pin second compound today and leaning towards pinning it but boosting my T say 50mg/week.

Im about to do a complete brand swap to utilizing Primal's products exclusively;
Test-E, NPP and Mast-P on hand. EQ should be back soon and Ill have that in the stash.

Feel like I took a crash course in Estrogen. Experienced high and low e2 symptoms in 4 week timeframe, at least I got it out of the way early lol

At 1/5th the Test dosages, I don't think it's EQ. Maybe something else. I run EQ at 60% of Test and never had that drastic of an effect.

Anyways, it's always better to check what you are actually using. Get that vial tested.

As for crashed E2, increasing Test might not be the right solution. Rather, add in some DHEA and Pregnelonone.

 

[Whistles77]

10 days in:

My mood has improved and joints feel much better. Night/Day difference.
My hair has stopped shedding like crazy (been using kx-826 too). Hair smoothed out again from looking almost fried, skin isnt as dry/flakey anymore, acne has been a little more aggressive. Libido improved (almost too much) but still hard af to climax. Energy levels continue climbing out of the depths of hell.

Id like to say my e2 is no longer crashed and the signs of increased estradiol levels are there. Im still going to hold steady till 11/12 to run labs again.

My thoughts so far:
E2 recovered surprisingly fast.. Even while dropping compounds and dropping test dose. I thought I was going to be in for a long recovery reducing my T dose. I guess this is the benefit of starting compounds at low dosages.

Will update again in about 2 weeks.

This is interesting. From a primo crash it took me about 2 weeks to feel human. I'd have anticipated an eq based e2 crash to be longer and more unpleasant due to longer half life. We're all different though.

Planning on doing both e2 and e2sensitive in your 11/12 labs? Having seen a few people doing both here, i think im gonna jump on that ship too.

 

[k710]

At 1/5th the Test dosages, I don't think it's EQ. Maybe something else. I run EQ at 60% of Test and never had that drastic of an effect.

Anyways, it's always better to check what you are actually using. Get that vial tested.

As for crashed E2, increasing Test might not be the right solution. Rather, add in some DHEA and Pregnelonone.

My thoughts exactly, but ive never used the compound before. Im pretty positive my e2 is back and banging, but I run labs on 11/11 and will confirm when sensitive testing returns.

I actually dropped my test dosage along with the two compounds and still felt recovered in about 5 days. I have dhea, but right now im just sticking the course with 200mg of test only to get some solid data

 

[k710]

This is interesting. From a primo crash it took me about 2 weeks to feel human. I'd have anticipated an eq based e2 crash to be longer and more unpleasant due to longer half life. We're all different though.

Planning on doing both e2 and e2sensitive in your 11/12 labs? Having seen a few people doing both here, i think im gonna jump on that ship too.

That was my expectation also. Gotta leave some room in the 5-7 days because It did take me a bit to realized I was crashed. But once I adjusted, 5-7 days I felt better.

I was thinking of doing both e2's, but honestly the standard number would just be for shits and giggles. Ill make my changes based on sensitive testing. Also having the standard e2 back immediately would make the wait for sensitive that much worse. Especially if the reading is not in range lol

 

[Whistles77]

My thoughts exactly, but ive never used the compound before. Im pretty positive my e2 is back and banging, but I run labs on 11/11 and will confirm when sensitive testing returns.

I actually dropped my test dosage along with the two compounds and still felt recovered in about 5 days. I have dhea, but right now im just sticking the course with 200mg of test only to get some solid data

You could simply be lucky in how you aromatise and recovery your e2. Im no expert in the pharmokinetics, but glad you didn't get stuck with long period of misery. If it wasn't XT, i'd still be suggesting it could be real Primo, but XT lowers my confidence. All good learnings.

 

[k710]

You could simply be lucky in how you aromatise and recovery your e2. Im no expert in the pharmokinetics, but glad you didn't get stuck with long period of misery. If it wasn't XT, i'd still be suggesting it could be real Primo, but XT lowers my confidence. All good learnings.

My coach and I are torn on it as well. She not convinced its not primo but thought the eq swap was pretty clever.

Im sitting here praying my vendors actually get their primo raws to land safely so I can give it another go

 

[cbol]

only way of finding out what it is is gonna be by testing it, fact it made your e2 drop shows that its definitely something and its not test

 

[k710]

only way of finding out what it is is gonna be by testing it, fact it made your e2 drop shows that its definitely something and its not test

Yeah this is the general consensus. Previous testing of this product showed it was in fact EQ but at like 40mg/mL. Tanked my e2 with a quickness so my concern was liquid AI possiby in the mix. Should be pulling some labs this week and then have to wait for sensitive results to know how I run on 200mg test alone.

 

[spins08]

Any updates on XT Test C300? Is it legit?

 

[masternak]

Wow, that's quite the estrogen rollercoaster! It sounds like you're on the right track getting a consult. I'd personally be wary of pinning anything until you figure out what that first compound actually was. Better to start fresh with known quantities, even if it means waiting a bit.

 

[k710]

Any updates on XT Test C300? Is it legit?

Its testosterone, yes. Id say closer to 200mg/mL but I need my labs to get back to confirm

 

[k710]

10 days in:

My mood has improved and joints feel much better. Night/Day difference.
My hair has stopped shedding like crazy (been using kx-826 too). Hair smoothed out again from looking almost fried, skin isnt as dry/flakey anymore, acne has been a little more aggressive. Libido improved (almost too much) but still hard af to climax. Energy levels continue climbing out of the depths of hell.

Id like to say my e2 is no longer crashed and the signs of increased estradiol levels are there. Im still going to hold steady till 11/12 to run labs again.

My thoughts so far:
E2 recovered surprisingly fast.. Even while dropping compounds and dropping test dose. I thought I was going to be in for a long recovery reducing my T dose. I guess this is the benefit of starting compounds at low dosages.

Will update again in about 2 weeks.

4 Week Labs: Hormones (sensitive)

I got my follow up hormones checked as planned after dropping everything from my "stack", switching sources and running test @ 200mg/week solo for baseline about 5 weeks ago. Finally got my sensitive testing results back so figured I'd share. I still have all my regular labs to draw next week.

Results:
Total Test (MS) - 2082
Estradiol (LC/MS) - 26
Prolactin - 11
Ferritin - 28 (L)
Thoughts:
Im glad I added Ferritin testing to last labs, my coach was spot on. I was mentioning how I was feeling a bit tired lately and wasnt too sure why, well now I know lol I was advised 20-30mg iron bisglycinate supplementation and I started at 20mg (didnt want to split tablets tbh) last check in.

Although not huge, I did notice an improvement in the low energy/tired/groggy feeling. Continuing supplementation, not expecting much movement on my ferritin levels but hopefully signs of level pointing up, or atleast not pointing down. Will re-asses Iron protocol next labs.

Prolactin levels dropped from 14.4 to 11.0 using only 100mg p-5-p daily. Will take another reading soon to confirm.

Now for the big one,
Total T @ 2082. Levels went up ~560ng/dL while having dropped dosage from 300 to 200mg/week and switching to Primal Pharma. This reinforces our theory that previous gear was underdosed by about 50% (XT-Labs).

To be fair, my injection volume is a dumb number of 11 units so maybe possible actual volume was between 11-12 units if you average out the injections. Seems minimal, but if you add an extra .5 units while doing daily administration that can be up to an extra 3.5 units per week. Even accounting for that, its no where near explaining the differences in serum levels. Ill follow up with coach next week and get her thoughts.

This is my last Total T levels with date reference btw (10/9/25)
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