Estrogen Crash ?

[fw190jd]

I'll start off by saying I'm a very high aromatizer, and my last blood work I came in with my estrodol at 98.
Currently at 240mg NPP, 400 Mast, 575 Test C, broken out into 3 pins per week. 169 pounds, dexa scan has me at 9.5 BF, age 64.
Was taking 125 mg exemestane broken out to three doses per week 2x 37.5 and one at 50mg.

Recent BW came in with E2 at 5.7, feel like shit, lethargic, first time in my life I was in the gym this week and I didn't want to be there. little nauseated not able to get my full food intake in.
so I stopped the AI and added in 40mg of debol broken out into 2 doses ED.
I never had an estrogen crash is this a classic case of that and how long do I have to put up with this shit ?

I also just got some Primo finally and I was looking to replace the mast with that, but now I think I should just hold off. Will retest in 10 days ?

 

[Geardad]

I'll start off by saying I'm a very high aromatizer, and my last blood work I came in with my estrodol at 98.
Currently at 240mg NPP, 400 Mast, 575 Test C, broken out into 3 pins per week. 169 pounds, dexa scan has me at 9.5 BF, age 64.
Was taking 125 mg exemestane broken out to three doses per week 2x 37.5 and one at 50mg.

Recent BW came in with E2 at 5.7, feel like shit, lethargic, first time in my life I was in the gym this week and I didn't want to be there. little nauseated not able to get my full food intake in.
so I stopped the AI and added in 40mg of debol broken out into 2 doses ED.
I never had an estrogen crash is this a classic case of that and how long do I have to put up with this shit ?

I also just got some Primo finally and I was looking to replace the mast with that, but now I think I should just hold off. Will retest in 10 days ?

I wouldn’t fuck with primo until you get your e2 sorted. Should be able to recover the e2 in a week or 2 with the dbol, especially if you’re a heavy aromatizer. When I crash my e2, I use test p and suffer for a couple of weeks while it comes back up. The other option would be estradiol valerate, but the only sources I know for it are in India, so you’ll be recovered by the time it gets here. Might be something to consider adding to the toolbox for future use though.

 

[fw190jd]

thanks brother I will look into that I have a pretty good source in India. yeah this really sucks I never felt so crappy and I'm missing my gym time and I'm in a bulk now and I can't even eat 1200 calories a day thanks for your help

 

[k710]

I'll start off by saying I'm a very high aromatizer, and my last blood work I came in with my estrodol at 98.
Currently at 240mg NPP, 400 Mast, 575 Test C, broken out into 3 pins per week. 169 pounds, dexa scan has me at 9.5 BF, age 64.
Was taking 125 mg exemestane broken out to three doses per week 2x 37.5 and one at 50mg.

Recent BW came in with E2 at 5.7, feel like shit, lethargic, first time in my life I was in the gym this week and I didn't want to be there. little nauseated not able to get my full food intake in.
so I stopped the AI and added in 40mg of debol broken out into 2 doses ED.
I never had an estrogen crash is this a classic case of that and how long do I have to put up with this shit ?

I also just got some Primo finally and I was looking to replace the mast with that, but now I think I should just hold off. Will retest in 10 days ?

Im dealing with estradiol at 9, prob lower by now but this is my first time dealing with so I wont speak too much to ways to correct it out of lack of personal experience.

What I did what to say though is that Mast might not have been doing anything for e2 management (as well as it could have been doing a little for it) BUT, Primo will definitely put downward pressure on e2 more so than Mast.

I wouldn't think of introducing that until you have your e2 dialed in and healthy ranges. Changing one variable at a time is best practice.

Good thing is that your not using any excessively long esters and your test is high, so having stopped AI should make significant difference in e2. Maybe wait it out 2 weeks monitoring symptoms and retest. Im sure youll get a more informed awnser any moment lol

Btw, are you using standard estradiol testing or ultra sensitive?

 

[Wolf7]

You’re taking 125mg of aromasin a week?!

 

[ganciodestro]

Wow 125 aromasin a week… wild

 

[fw190jd]

You’re taking 125mg of aromasin a week?!

yep..SMH

 

[fw190jd]

Im dealing with estradiol at 9, prob lower by now but this is my first time dealing with so I wont speak too much to ways to correct it out of lack of personal experience.

What I did what to say though is that Mast might not have been doing anything for e2 management (as well as it could have been doing a little for it) BUT, Primo will definitely put downward pressure on e2 more so than Mast.

I wouldn't think of introducing that until you have your e2 dialed in and healthy ranges. Changing one variable at a time is best practice.

Good thing is that your not using any excessively long esters and your test is high, so having stopped AI should make significant difference in e2. Maybe wait it out 2 weeks monitoring symptoms and retest. Im sure youll get a more informed awnser any moment lol

Btw, are you using standard estradiol testing or ultra sensitive?

standard.
never eeally liked Mast, but since the primo went scarce it was the next nest option. I gel like primongives me a better fuller look, mast for menis leaner grainer

 

[Sera]

One thing I’ve noticed is low e2 never gives me bad anxiety but high e2 does.

Low e2 will make me not feel great and it will also make me feel the androgens very strongly but I can tough it out with a level head normally.

High e2 makes me feel panicked though.

For me, hcg raises my estrogen reliably, it’s almost like injecting pure e2.

 

[fw190jd]

One thing I’ve noticed is low e2 never gives me bad anxiety but high e2 does.

Low e2 will make me not feel great and it will also make me feel the androgens very strongly but I can tough it out with a level head normally.

High e2 makes me feel panicked though.

For me, hcg raises my estrogen reliably, it’s almost like injecting pure e2.

Thanks, I really appreciate the feedback

 

[benfrankparkway]

What other recovery methods are suggested for a crashed e2?

 

[BigDadd7]

What other recovery methods are suggested for a crashed e2?

Man up and handle business until it comes back up in a few weeks. You'll live.

 

[fw190jd]

Man up and handle business until it comes back up in a few weeks. You'll live.

there are things you can do, man up what the heck kind of advice is that ?
Once you know where your E2 is at, you can add Dbol it will boost your estrogen, hydrate, cut back and rethink your AI dosing protocol. Rest , I did that at 20mg of Dbol 2x a day for 3 days and the sides were just about gone, going to retest in three more days, that would be a week from onset.

 

[DoubleDeez]

What other recovery methods are suggested for a crashed e2?

I know a lot of men are against this because pride, but I think one of the safest things one can do is inject a tiny amount of estradiol. I know there are a few on meso who go that route. Direct, effective, and doesn’t come with the sides that some of the alternatives do. You mustn’t be stupid and overdose it though, there was a guy in here injecting female doses and wondering why he was starting to look like a lesbian.

 

[BigDadd7]

there are things you can do, man up what the heck kind of advice is that ?
Once you know where your E2 is at, you can add Dbol it will boost your estrogen, hydrate, cut back and rethink your AI dosing protocol. Rest , I did that at 20mg of Dbol 2x a day for 3 days and the sides were just about gone, going to retest in three more days, that would be a week from onset.

Adding dbol is dumb. You have no way to guarantee you won't over shoot your e2 and end up bloated. You guys make crashed e2 sound like a death sentence. Yes, deal with the sides. You're cranky and irritable? Take ownership of your behavior. Lots of things in life make me cranky and irritable. It's my responsibility to not be a jerk. Crashed e2 is a couple of weeks and everything is back to normal. Injecting estrogen, taking some random dose of dbol and evaluating on feelz, thats all dumb. Just my opinion after doing this for 20 years.

 

[BigDadd7]

I know a lot of men are against this because pride, but I think one of the safest things one can do is inject a tiny amount of estradiol. I know there are a few on meso who go that route. Direct, effective, and doesn’t come with the sides that some of the alternatives do. You mustn’t be stupid and overdose it though, there was a guy in here injecting female doses and wondering why he was starting to look like a lesbian.

That darn @Bandern ! I told him to be careful with that! How is he liking that Subaru?

 

[Bandern]

That darn @Bandern ! I told him to be careful with that! How is he liking that Subaru?

It’s a dependable vehicle!!!!! Highest safety ratings in the game, relatively low maintenance, and they’re built to last!

Also “crashed estrogen” is not the proper term. In the scientific community we refer to it as “an excuse to take some fuggin dbol”

 

[DoubleDeez]

That darn @Bandern ! I told him to be careful with that! How is he liking that Subaru?

lmao I don’t think he has the balls to go that route.

He does love his Outback though

 

[Bandern]

He does love his Outback though

I’ll never beat the lesbian allegations

 

[benfrankparkway]

I know a lot of men are against this because pride, but I think one of the safest things one can do is inject a tiny amount of estradiol. I know there are a few on meso who go that route. Direct, effective, and doesn’t come with the sides that some of the alternatives do. You mustn’t be stupid and overdose it though, there was a guy in here injecting female doses and wondering why he was starting to look like a lesbian.

I was just asking for knowledge sake, and maybe if it was something I encountered in the future. My e2 naturally runs lower (it was 8 my last labs and its normally below 15) at least in the last 7 years I have been doing bloodwork. I was looking at supplementing ways to increase it.