Lobster HGH no vacuum - fridge vs no fridge test

[AlexDavis43]

A&B being the only one with much dimmer is a real head scratcher for us bubbles boys. Feels like a crap shoot trying to get it right. Always nice to find out that it probably doesn’t matter in any kind of practical way. Do I take my Hgh out of the fridge to make room for more food?
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My opinion is that if the dimer % was one decimal point to the right (4% instead of 0.4%), we might have something to talk about

0.3 to 0.4 is a 33% increase in two samples that are supposed to be identical, which suggests a relatively wide margin of error... it could be 0% if tested again

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

So clearly he's not going to respond at all. He's silent and can't even admit he's wrong. I'm not going to be continuing this on because it proves my point. And I wanted it to be stated here and anytime he talks more shit. I'm going to be linking back to this very post.

This was a long time coming and his attitude/ knowledge is pretty shitty. He can't critically think outside the search engine and he makes it sound like I am a terrible person. I do hate him but it's not for no reason. It's because he talking about stupid shit with no data collection or experiment to validate his online findings. All he does use a search engine.


So at least this data that I was collected over an argument has been proven useful in regards to storage of HGH. This changes the way that a lot of us have been believing and shows that the quality is still being upheld. Now the other question is does other HGH compare to this and is it worth it to even evaluate it? Sometimes I don't think so.

There could be more studies in regards to evaluation of degradation of peptides and if cryo freezers are even worth it for the average user.

Most of us can utilize just manual defrost freezers and maintain proper integrity of the peptides.

I do hope more users will be able to think outside the box and perform/fund more experiments rather than listening some to some online dipshit

 

[brutalbuilt]

Purity:
No sig difference between groups.

Dimer+:
One or more groups are sig different but not in the trend you would expect.

Seems more like an analysis of Jano's method precision with this particular measurement. Makes no sense for other groups to have lower "dimer+" than control.

Caveat: n=2 for each group. No obvious outliers to throw out.

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so no vacuum had the highest purity lmao

 

[AlexDavis43]

So clearly he's not going to respond at all. He's silent and can't even admit he's wrong. I'm not going to be continuing this on because it proves my point. And I wanted it to be stated here and anytime he talks more shit. I'm going to be linking back to this very post.

This was a long time coming and his attitude/ knowledge is pretty shitty. He can't critically think outside the search engine and he makes it sound like I am a terrible person. I do hate him but it's not for no reason. It's because he talking about stupid shit with no data collection or experiment to validate his online findings. All he does use a search engine.


So at least this data that I was collected over an argument has been proven useful in regards to storage of HGH. This changes the way that a lot of us have been believing and shows that the quality is still being upheld. Now the other question is does other HGH compare to this and is it worth it to even evaluate it? Sometimes I don't think so.

There could be more studies in regards to evaluation of degradation of peptides and if cryo freezers are even worth it for the average user.

Most of us can utilize just manual defrost freezers and maintain proper integrity of the peptides.

I do hope more users will be able to think outside the box and perform/fund more experiments rather than listening some to some online dipshit

I hope you don't get banned for this and I agree with these points about actual testing results vs copy/pasting ChatGPT or citing Pharma pamphlets

Now there are data that people can achieve good IGF1 responses from vacuumless GH -- from UGL where the headspace is room air, and Serostim

Lyophilized UGL stored up to 8 months with or without fridge doesn't effect GH purity or dimer

Who wants to buy a $1000 cryofreezer because of untested speculative possibilities ?

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

I hope you don't get banned for this and I agree with these points about actual testing results vs copy/pasting ChatGPT or citing Pharma pamphlets

Now there are data that people can achieve good IGF1 responses from vacuumless GH -- from UGL where the headspace is room air, and Serostim

Lyophilized UGL stored up to 8 months with or without fridge doesn't effect GH purity or dimer

Who wants to buy a $1000 cryofreezer because of untested speculative possibilities ?

If for some reason that this deserves a band then so be it. speaks alot about what the forum is about.

My statement is literally about harm reduction and the importance of taking action especially with the resources we have been given,

There are people out there that won't admit that they're wrong and can't learn from their mistakes. It's dangerous for newcomers because it shows arrogance and people will not back down. no room to grow and nothing to learn.

He started this argument and he can't finish it. Not even in a manner of learning.

He also made racist comments about @TheLobster who funded the test.

What if Lobster was wrong? it would have been detrimental to his HGH sales with no vacuum

 

[readalot]

One problem is that unlike the studies attached, UGL vials don't have identical starting amounts of rHGH. Filtering prior to analysis removes large aggregates.

see second test link attached (somewhat dated and i am not going to look up again when Jano switched methods).

Thread 'Pharma grade HGHs Genotropin/Cinnatropin'

Jan 9, 2022

Recently sent two pharma grade HGH's for lab testing to Jano, Dimer testing included.

https://janoshik.com/tests/16120-GENOTROPIN_GOQUICK_12mg_ml_16KSW39RAIB4

https://janoshik.com/tests/16121-Cinnatropin_10_mg_in_1.5_ml_33YQDQEKVR6Q

• Turkish Pharmacy

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Appears that some fraction of "dimer+" does and can pass through 0.2 um filtration. So question in my mind is how would these samples (in above link) test with Jano's current method.

Those results gives me some reassurance that the low "dimer+" values across all the samples here are not an artifact of the 0.2 um filtration done prior to testing. If "dimer+" is high(er)/high(ish), testing procedure with filtration will (has in the past) pop high.

Does anyone have a more recent example of a sample that tested 1-4% dimer+?

 

[dinfar1337]

Does anyone have a more recent example of a sample that tested 1-4% dimer+?

good luck! with everybody getting hgh from china shit is so available and tested its hard find bad quality.

 

[readalot]

More recently...

Post in thread 'International HGH price comparison'

Feb 27, 2025

- Added Lobster blind test results

• MyNameIsJeff

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Then again you have two Cinna rows above with similar purities but very different dimer+. Smh.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

see second test link attached (somewhat dated and i am not going to look up again when Jano switched methods)

Your friend is quiet . I think his meso glitched. He responds to every thread other than this

 

[Zebedee]

If for some reason that this deserves a band then so be it. speaks alot about what the forum is about.

My statement is literally about harm reduction and the importance of taking action especially with the resources we have been given,

There are people out there that won't admit that they're wrong and can't learn from their mistakes. It's dangerous for newcomers because it shows arrogance and people will not back down. no room to grow and nothing to learn.

He started this argument and he can't finish it. Not even in a manner of learning.

He also made racist comments about @TheLobster who funded the test.

What if Lobster was wrong? it would have been detrimental to his HGH sales with no vacuum

I totally agree with everything you’ve said in this thread & I would be extremely disappointed, disillusioned & angry if you were banned for this or any other post you’ve made in this thread so far.

Meso is supposed to be about harm reduction - that is a space to further learning from which each individual can make a more informed choice about their drug use. That goal is not helped one bit by arrogant, ego driven obsessions with being “right” & appearing to be the inhouse expert in every subject area (except training & diet!).

A little bit of humility (& civility!) goes a very long way in fostering an environment where genuine harm reduction can thrive. That means, amongst other things, accepting that you don’t know everything & not being a cunt to those whose opinions differs to yours.