Trest E/D sources?

[nutcase6174]

Interestingly, I have the opposite response to primo but the same response to DHB that you do. Primo turns me into an asshole within 2-3 days. It isn’t even enough time to crash my E2 so there has to be something else going on with a metabolite.

Were you eating in a surplus with DHB? Interesting that you didn’t gain weight. My cycle was cut short due to surgery. I wanted to save what I have for a bulk but maybe that isn’t the best use for it, if you were not gaining weight.

Yeah we seem to be a rare breed in terms of bad primo responses.

200mg of primo will cause me more problems than 1g of tren lmao. To be fair, the only tren side I get is slight insomnia (that melatonin and hgh solve). But primo makes my mood shit within a few days similar to you, and I get more shedding, skin texture weirdness, and fatigue.

 

[bigdaddyandfriends]

I ended up purchasing DHB because of all your DHB posts lol

Keep us posted on how it works for you. The one consistent thing I read about it (anecdotal reports only as there as a paucity of human studies) is that it enhances strength. And I can confirm it did that in me.

 

[nutcase6174]

I ended up purchasing DHB because of all your DHB posts lol

DHB is amazing if you can tolerate the PIP, but that only becomes an issue when you start pushing past 200mg/week.

DHB tends to give a fullness/vascularity that sits there the whole day.

The PIP past 200mg/week is really wonky though. You do get used to it after a few weeks to some degree, but you won't be running a marathon anytime soon. And every few pins sometimes you'll just get a surge of PIP out of nowhere. Sometime it would hurt to get in and out of bed, or to sit down lmao. One time I literally had to limp for a day or two.

 

[nutcase6174]

Keep us posted on how it works for you. The one consistent thing I read about it (anecdotal reports only as there as a paucity of human studies) is that it enhances strength. And I can confirm it did that in me.

It definitely did for me, more than trest. I never bench due to a shoulder injury and when I do I never go heavy (it fixed now but I still am weary since I found out I have hypermobility).

DHB literally shot my calculated 1RM up 25lbs in 3 weeks, where I only benched that single time in the entire cycle (and right before the beginning obv). I actually had more in me but my shoulder joint started to feel tense so I called it quits.

 

[bigdaddyandfriends]

Yeah we seem to be a rare breed in terms of bad primo responses.

200mg of primo will cause me more problems than 1g of tren lmao. To be fair, the only tren side I get is slight insomnia (that melatonin and hgh solve). But primo makes my mood shit within a few days similar to you, and I get more shedding, skin texture weirdness, and fatigue.

Except for the insomnia and some night sweats, I get along great with tren. Melatonin doesn’t cut it for me… but found that a true sublingual microdose of Seroquel/quetiapine ~ 6.25-12.5mg knocks me out in 20 min. Not a favored sleep med in USA, but think it’s a preferred one in some other countries including NZ.

 

[nutcase6174]

Except for the insomnia and some night sweats, I get along great with tren. Melatonin doesn’t cut it for me… but found that a true sublingual microdose of Seroquel/quetiapine ~ 6.25-12.5mg knocks me out in 20 min. Not a favored sleep med in USA, but think it’s a preferred one in some other countries including NZ.

Have you tried a macrodose of Melatonin? Apparently it is an extremely potent anti-oxidant.

Studies have been conducted on extremely high doses (i think up to 100mg a night), and the best part is that the body actually doesn't have a feedback loop for melatonin to downregulate your natural production, unlike other processes. This prevents dependence (if you needed it to sleep originally, it wont make your baseline insomnia worse without it).

I usually do 20-40mg of melatonin a night. You need to work your way up to it to avoid the daytime groginess, but the tren tends to block most of it.

Also, HGH works wonders. 6IU before bed + the melatonin = near perfect sleep. You still tend to wake up earlier, and occasionally wake up once in the middle of the night, but you can fall back asleep pretty easily. Usually the reason you wake up is because of the vivid dreams.

I'm sure you are aware of the risks of rx sleep meds given you are microdosing them, so this stack might be a way to limit your usage of them. Plus, HGH and melatonin will positively contribute to your recovery/health aside from just the sleep.

 

[bigdaddyandfriends]

It definitely did for me, more than trest. I never bench due to a shoulder injury and when I do I never go heavy (it fixed now but I still am weary since I found out I have hypermobility).

DHB literally shot my calculated 1RM up 25lbs in 3 weeks, where I only benched that single time in the entire cycle (and right before the beginning obv). I actually had more in me but my shoulder joint started to feel tense so I called it quits.

Ditto… I can’t flat or incline bench any more because of labral tears and instability. Allowing the arms to move inward during the range of motion makes a huge difference (ie isolateral press). So I can still load up the Hammer Strength machines and the Arsenal standing bench press at my gym and get good reps/sets. Dumbbells work too but it’s tough getting them up and down gracefully so I usually avoid. I think there is a fancy bench bar that allows the hands to move together a bit but never tried it.

During my month on DHB I added 50 lbs weight and was same # of reps, after being stalled for about a year. And it happened in just 2-3 weeks. Very dramatic and it was the only compound I added; basically I replaced 30mg/day primo with 15mg/day DHB and it happened.

Shame there isn’t more studies with humans on DHB; it’s strange because it is not new and in fact was the starting point for making both primobolan and stenbolone, both ancient compounds. The c1/c2 methylations have their purposes but both attenuate the androgen, particularly C1, and the Δ1 A-ring alteration (compared to DHT) alone sure seems to deter 3α-HSD degradation in skeletal muscle.

Also I know some have used DHB to recover from PFS - Alex Kikel has talked about it at some length, and he knows his stuff - so it may well have similar, if not more potent, transcription activity and cofactor activation as DHT. Since it’s already 5α-reduced synthetically, it should be and does seem hair safe. Maybe at typical primo doses it would not be, though.

I’m now trying 10mg/day to see what effect I get. My strength increase was at 15mg/day. I’d dose it higher but the anecdotal reports of liver toxicity and systemic inflammation remain a concern, even though I have not experienced them and do not have a good explanation for them. Newer formulas up to 100mg/ml are PIP free, at least the couple sources I’ve used. Old ones I know used excessive BB and maybe guaiacol too to get it to hold. And I’ve wondered if old M1T stock had found its way into some raws - that would be a clear explanation for the liver toxicity.

 

[bigdaddyandfriends]

Have you tried a macrodose of Melatonin? Apparently it is an extremely potent anti-oxidant.

Studies have been conducted on extremely high doses (i think up to 100mg a night), and the best part is that the body actually doesn't have a feedback loop for melatonin to downregulate your natural production, unlike other processes. This prevents dependence (if you needed it to sleep originally, it wont make your baseline insomnia worse without it).

I usually do 20-40mg of melatonin a night. You need to work your way up to it to avoid the daytime groginess, but the tren tends to block most of it.

Also, HGH works wonders. 6IU before bed + the melatonin = near perfect sleep. You still tend to wake up earlier, and occasionally wake up once in the middle of the night, but you can fall back asleep pretty easily. Usually the reason you wake up is because of the vivid dreams.

I'm sure you are aware of the risks of rx sleep meds given you are microdosing them, so this stack might be a way to limit your usage of them. Plus, HGH and melatonin will positively contribute to your recovery/health aside from just the sleep.

Have only tried 3mg melatonin, seems to work best a few hours before bed. But I will take your advice and buy some high dose and try them. I’ve had no ill-effects from Seroquel though… first time I tried it took 50mg which left me groggy but 1/8 that amount to work fine. I am aware of the cardiac effects b don’t believe they are significant at non-therapeutic doses; smallest tabs are 25mg and it is dosed up too 750mg/day. Not sure how anyone can function on that, maybe they don’t and that is the point lol.

I do take 4iu GH before bed, and another
3.5iu during the day split am and pm/preworkout. 100-200υg of IGF-1LR3 makes me more tired/sleepy than GH, probably from hypoglycemia.

 

[bigdaddyandfriends]

Good YT video on DHB (Mircea Milaj) for anyone interested. Health issues @ 20:00


View: https://youtu.be/-SylYPZKrGY?si=7vD3jSvgoEYHqjgs

 

[ChemBB]

So i reached out to a few of these companies and here's what I gathered so far.

From steroid-peptide.com, I emailed them and they got back super fast. They said:

We have COA report for each of them. The purity is about 98%.
The price is as follows:
100g Trestolone Decanoate:3100USD
100g Trestolone Enanthate:3100USD


Also, I reached out to this peptide vendor that the longevity folks are using called ERP. They said that right now their production is not active but next week they can quote me for FINISHED MCT OIL Trest decanoate. The only catch is that they have an MOQ of 50 kits of 10 vials (500 total). Ill let you guys know how much they want for that.


It seems like we do have some options now. Perhaps we could convince a UGL to make a move? Even on other forums people have been looking for long ester trest every since the research chem sites went down. Huge potential market and they'd be the only domestic seller across the space to offer it.

I somehow missed this; I reached out to ask for Trest E/D and THG prices

Been trying to source THG ("The Clear") for a while
I'm not in a position to brew but if we can find a supplier, maybe we can do a group-buy?

Also it's good to know there's a raws source for Trest E/D. Again, could be a group-buy thing, or we can petition one of the domestic sources to do a small order with the promise we'd buy it out?

 

[ChemBB]

It definitely did for me, more than trest. I never bench due to a shoulder injury and when I do I never go heavy (it fixed now but I still am weary since I found out I have hypermobility).

DHB literally shot my calculated 1RM up 25lbs in 3 weeks, where I only benched that single time in the entire cycle (and right before the beginning obv). I actually had more in me but my shoulder joint started to feel tense so I called it quits.

What is it about DHB and Bench PR's, lol...

Post in thread 'What would you suggest in place of Primo?'

Oct 11, 2025

I was thinking EQ, but DHB sounds similar as well? I was thinking about doing Test/EQ for an 18-20ish week bulk, then test/Var/DHB for a short cut? Any cons of doing this?

You're going to get a million different opinions (as you already have)

Here's my $0.02 + anecdotal experiences:

- EQ response seems to vary dramatically in terms of effectiveness + sides. You'll have to experiment with tiers of doses between 200-900mg to see whether it works, how well if it does, and if you experience sides. Personally, I'm not an EQ guy.

- DHB is great for either bulking or cutting. I'd...

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[ChemBB]

From steroid-peptide.com, I emailed them and they got back super fast. They said:

We have COA report for each of them. The purity is about 98%.
The price is as follows:
100g Trestolone Decanoate:3100USD
100g Trestolone Enanthate:3100USD

They got back to me saying MOQ for Trest is 10g

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The price without shipment cost is as follows:
10g Trestolone Enanthate:450USD
10g Trestolone Decanoate:450USD

 

[nutcase6174]

They got back to me saying MOQ for Trest is 10g

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The price without shipment cost is as follows:
10g Trestolone Enanthate:450USD
10g Trestolone Decanoate:450USD

Unfortunately, even if we do buy it we still are going to need to send samples to jano give the state of the raw market. Then we'd need someone to brew it and we're looking at a very low profit margin for any of the UGLs who want to make it...

I think most products UGLs tend to get like 90% margins on the cost of the raws (not including other stuff) so if we want 100mg/mL vials, already we are looking at easily $250+ per vial if the UGL is okay with sacrificing a large chunk of their usual profit.

On top of that, we are assuming that the raws are legit and of good purity. I wonder if we could find any brewers here who have experience with this source? I searched this forum for the url but the only results are this thread.

 

[nutcase6174]

Have only tried 3mg melatonin, seems to work best a few hours before bed. But I will take your advice and buy some high dose and try them. I’ve had no ill-effects from Seroquel though… first time I tried it took 50mg which left me groggy but 1/8 that amount to work fine. I am aware of the cardiac effects b don’t believe they are significant at non-therapeutic doses; smallest tabs are 25mg and it is dosed up too 750mg/day. Not sure how anyone can function on that, maybe they don’t and that is the point lol.

I do take 4iu GH before bed, and another
3.5iu during the day split am and pm/preworkout. 100-200υg of IGF-1LR3 makes me more tired/sleepy than GH, probably from hypoglycemia.

Make sure to work up to the high dose, max I'd jump to at first is 10mg. If I'm not on tren, anymore makes me want to take a nap the entire following day. But you do feel good, not the same type of tiredness you get from staying up all night or anything. More like the tiredness you can get after eating a big meal. Its kind of nice, feels kinda floaty. But definitely not good if you have work haha.

 

[Photon]

They got back to me saying MOQ for Trest is 10g

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The price without shipment cost is as follows:
10g Trestolone Enanthate:450USD
10g Trestolone Decanoate:450USD

So that's 5 vials assuming 80 percent purity for Trest D 150mgml. I believe shipping is around 60 to 80.

Total is
450 raws
60 shipping to US
120 finished product testing
50 shipping to Jano.

Total 680

About 136 a vial excluding time spent and vial etc cost.

 

[ChemBB]

About 136 a vial excluding time spent and vial etc cost.

100% worth it given the level of anabolism (150mg/wk is a hefty dose)

But yeah, not a lot of incentive for UGL's, is it...

 

[Photon]

100% worth it given the level of anabolism (150mg/wk is a hefty dose)

But yeah, not a lot of incentive for UGL's, is it...

The cost is more than Q's selling price of 200mgml primo..

 

[ChemBB]

Aye but a single vial of Trest 150 is going to put more muscle on you than 3-4 vials of Primo 200

 

[nutcase6174]

Have only tried 3mg melatonin, seems to work best a few hours before bed. But I will take your advice and buy some high dose and try them. I’ve had no ill-effects from Seroquel though… first time I tried it took 50mg which left me groggy but 1/8 that amount to work fine. I am aware of the cardiac effects b don’t believe they are significant at non-therapeutic doses; smallest tabs are 25mg and it is dosed up too 750mg/day. Not sure how anyone can function on that, maybe they don’t and that is the point lol.

I do take 4iu GH before bed, and another
3.5iu during the day split am and pm/preworkout. 100-200υg of IGF-1LR3 makes me more tired/sleepy than GH, probably from hypoglycemia.

Here's the review on Melatonin I was talking about. Covers a ton of different studies and goes over a bunch of other pathways it helps with.

Melatonin: Facts, Extrapolations and Clinical Trials - PMC

Melatonin is a fascinating molecule that has captured the imagination of many scientists since its discovery in 1958. In recent times, the focus has changed from investigating its natural role as a transducer of biological time for physiological ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[nutcase6174]

Aye but a single vial of Trest 150 is going to put more muscle on you than 3-4 vials of Primo 200

Yeah but all the 'science based' youtubers aren't shilling (yet) it as a 'side effect free perfect anabolic that only the most civilized connoisseurs like them are smart enough to use', so people won't drain their accounts for it.