I have about half a vial left of Primo from last year but unfortunately I can't get my hands on any more. I was thinking about just doing a test only cycle, and maybe add Anavar towards the end. I am prone to hairloss so I was thinking Masteron but ultimately decided against it. Looking for a good lean bulk cycle. I have only ever taken Test, anavar, Primo, and Deca so I don't have experience with the others. Deca made me too bloated so I don't want to add that this time.
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What would you suggest in place of Primo?
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Primo and Mast are both DHT derivatives so they'll wreck your hair. Nandrolone reduces to a metabolite that is generally considered hair safe; this doesn't occur if you use a 5AR inhibitor like Finasteride or Dutasteride, however.
EQ, in my opinion, is one of the best compounds (and really the only remaining realistic compound you haven't used). Doesn't aromatize into E2, while also seemingly reduces E2 in most people. Low 5AR binding affinity so it's hair safe, even more so if combined with a 5AR inhibitor. Still an AAS at the end of the day, though, and YMMV.
A good lean bulk cycle doesn't really exist. Your caloric surplus is going to determine that.
Kingshit108
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The answer is EQ its primo for poor people.. wont mess with ur hair.. allegedly anti estrogen but I think that been debated.. you could also try DHB is just better EQ and ide say its like if tren fucked EQ
I was just looking into EQ. I take AI with my TRT so I could just stop that to assess the e2. My RBC was 5.49 and HCT 49.1% as of last week so I can just keep an eye on those as I've read both can increase.
Thanks! I was just looking into EQ (actually was reading some of your previous comments on other posts, thanks! lol)
I haven't looked into DHB much, i'll research that some as well! I am trying to stay away from Tren for as long as possible for the sake of my marriage lol I already can be pretty irritable and I am already too horny for my own good at 31 lol
From my understanding the RBC increase is largely a myth. Definitely keep an eye on it but in my experience it increases it just as much as any other AAS would.
Keep in mind that if you start EQ, it won't reach stable concentration for 90 days, so if you pull your AI immediately your E2 will sky rocket. I would leave it in and then get bloods at day 30-60 and see if it's trending down.
Oh interesting! How long of a cycle would you suggest for EQ in that case?
I would run it for as long as blood work and side effects allow for. You can technically reach your desired blood concentration quicker if you use say 2x the dosage for the first few weeks, but it has a much greater potential of crashing your E2. Overall, individual variability is so large that you really just have to experiment with it.
ChemBB
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You want something that doesn't aromatize, have few sides, and is preferably DHT-based?
Your options are:
- Masteron
- DHB
- Anavar
IME, DHB is the most similar to Primo effects-wise, minus the weird E2 suppression some people seem to get from it.
Your options are:
- Masteron
- DHB
- Anavar
IME, DHB is the most similar to Primo effects-wise, minus the weird E2 suppression some people seem to get from it.
I might try and frontload the first week at least.
I was thinking EQ, but DHB sounds similar as well? I was thinking about doing Test/EQ for an 18-20ish week bulk, then test/Var/DHB for a short cut? Any cons of doing this?
adrenalytic
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The PIP from DHB is intense. Like prevents you from training intense. Mixing and warming oils is mandatory and even then it's roll of the dice.
Slowww
Member
EQ, or masteron would be what I prefer/recommend depending on the phase. Aesthetically I prefer masteron with low body fat, and using its strength increasing properties to preserve it in a deficit. if bulking I feel like EQ helps also with work capacity and is a more appropriate tool since caloric surplus will already give a lot of strength, and requirement for higher work capacity is reduced in a deficit.
LiftAR
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EQ is a great replacement if you run it long enough, just be sure to keep an eye on your hematocrit levels. Mast is also good, especially if you're lucky enough to lose no hair with it lol.
Turinabol is another good option. It's my first run with it and while it’s not quite on Primo’s level, it’s definitely up there among the best AAS when it comes to minimal side effects.
Turinabol is another good option. It's my first run with it and while it’s not quite on Primo’s level, it’s definitely up there among the best AAS when it comes to minimal side effects.
Yeah I was reading that. Might be one of those things i'll need to try and see if I can handle.
Yeah I am doing a bulk so I think EQ would be a good addition. I don't want to crash my estrogen so was thinking maybe starting out around 500 test/250EQ but I am not sure if thats too low EQ to really have much of an effect for bulking?
I can get Masteron but I am prone to hairloss so that is my only reason i've been avoiding it.
Unfortunately I am not lucky enough to avoid hairloss at least I wasnt when I ran Primo last year, haven't tried Mast, but thats my main reason why.
adrenalytic
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Just don't frontload it. I made the mistake of frontloading 3 mLs of 100mg/mL into my VL. Two weeks walking with a severe limp and no leg days made me rethink some life choices. Currently injecting 0.5 mL daily mixed with test and seems to be ok - still a little pain. I have some sterile MCT oil on order to further dilute it. I'll let ya know if I find a sweet spot.
Would you say its better during a cut phase or a bulk phase?
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