What would you suggest in place of Primo?

[ChemBB]

I was thinking EQ, but DHB sounds similar as well? I was thinking about doing Test/EQ for an 18-20ish week bulk, then test/Var/DHB for a short cut? Any cons of doing this?

You're going to get a million different opinions (as you already have)

Here's my $0.02 + anecdotal experiences:

- EQ response seems to vary dramatically in terms of effectiveness + sides. You'll have to experiment with tiers of doses between 200-900mg to see whether it works, how well if it does, and if you experience sides. Personally, I'm not an EQ guy.

- DHB is great for either bulking or cutting. I'd be more inclined to use during a bulk if I had to choose. I hit my lifetime incline bench PR of 365 while on 600 Test + 500 DHB.

- Anavar, out of everything, would be my pick. It's an unreasonably solid steroid: excellent lean, dry mass, strength gains, increased collagen synthesis for joint health, lipolysis, limited toxicity. I rank Oxandrolone as an "S" tier steroid, with the other being MENT.

My wife's been using Anavar at a dose of 20-35mg/day for ~8 years.

Personally, I'd stick to the same compounds for your bulk + cut (so you know exactly how you respond, don't have hormonal fluctuations) and just change your calorie intake + exercise levels.

- Test, Mast (optional), DHB/EQ, Var

If it were ME, the dosages would look like:

500-750mg Test D
300-400mg DHB
200-400mg Mast E
50mg Var ED (cycle it on/off if you get lipid/liver issues)
4-6iu GH

 

[Brah02]

You're going to get a million different opinions (as you already have)

Here's my $0.02 + anecdotal experiences:

- EQ response seems to vary dramatically in terms of effectiveness + sides. You'll have to experiment with tiers of doses between 200-900mg to see whether it works, how well if it does, and if you experience sides. Personally, I'm not an EQ guy.

- DHB is great for either bulking or cutting. I'd be more inclined to use during a bulk if I had to choose. I hit my lifetime incline bench PR of 365 while on 600 Test + 500 DHB.

- Anavar, out of everything, would be my pick. It's an unreasonably solid steroid: excellent lean, dry mass, strength gains, increased collagen synthesis for joint health, lipolysis, limited toxicity. I rank Oxandrolone as an "S" tier steroid, with the other being MENT.

My wife's been using Anavar at a dose of 20-35mg/day for ~8 years.

Personally, I'd stick to the same compounds for your bulk + cut (so you know exactly how you respond, don't have hormonal fluctuations) and just change your calorie intake + exercise levels.

- Test, Mast (optional), DHB/EQ, Var

If it were ME, the dosages would look like:

500-750mg Test D
300-400mg DHB
200-400mg Mast E
50mg Var ED (cycle it on/off if you get lipid/liver issues)
4-6iu GH

I can get DHB, but i've heard people can't make it past the PIP and quit early. Any suggestions for reducing PIP to where it is tolerable?

 

[fit2beking]

I can get DHB, but i've heard people can't make it past the PIP and quit early. Any suggestions for reducing PIP to where it is tolerable?

This is what I do to get past the PIP with DHB and practically every injection as well. I combined DHB with another oil you are running in your cycle. Heat the oil up a bit not too hot though. I massage the area I’m injecting for about a minute or two then after injection I massage the injection site for about 5 minutes. The massage after the injection is the absolute key for me. That part is important not to skip. It keeps the knots away from DHB. You still may get a bit of PIP but keep at it and it seems your body will adjust to it. I rarely ever get PIP with it now.

 

[ChemBB]

Any suggestions for reducing PIP to where it is tolerable?

Like @fit2beking mentions, the only things you can really do are:

- Dilute the oil by combining with other compounds in the same syringe, or using sterile MCT or, my preference, EO
- Warm it. I'm not sure if this actually reduces PIP but at least it makes it easier to pin

I've not tried massage so can't comment there

 

[bigdaddyandfriends]

You're going to get a million different opinions (as you already have)

Here's my $0.02 + anecdotal experiences:

- EQ response seems to vary dramatically in terms of effectiveness + sides. You'll have to experiment with tiers of doses between 200-900mg to see whether it works, how well if it does, and if you experience sides. Personally, I'm not an EQ guy.

- DHB is great for either bulking or cutting. I'd be more inclined to use during a bulk if I had to choose. I hit my lifetime incline bench PR of 365 while on 600 Test + 500 DHB.

- Anavar, out of everything, would be my pick. It's an unreasonably solid steroid: excellent lean, dry mass, strength gains, increased collagen synthesis for joint health, lipolysis, limited toxicity. I rank Oxandrolone as an "S" tier steroid, with the other being MENT.

My wife's been using Anavar at a dose of 20-35mg/day for ~8 years.

Personally, I'd stick to the same compounds for your bulk + cut (so you know exactly how you respond, don't have hormonal fluctuations) and just change your calorie intake + exercise levels.

- Test, Mast (optional), DHB/EQ, Var

If it were ME, the dosages would look like:

500-750mg Test D
300-400mg DHB
200-400mg Mast E
50mg Var ED (cycle it on/off if you get lipid/liver issues)
4-6iu GH

Your wife uses 25-35mg/day anavar long term ? Has there been any masculination, dyslipidemia, or transaminitis from that?

My wife uses sublingual 2.5mg anavar or 2mg (pharma) Winstrol about five days a week as an evening preworkout, also long term. I also give her 1mg TNE a couple times a month in lieu of those, that takes her from crazy/hormonal to cool/chill in about 30 - the rapid change is extremely dramatic.

We’ve also talked about dosing some exemestane a couple days before she ovulates to blunt the huge physiologic estrogen spike, but have not tried it yet.

 

[Duke309]

You're going to get a million different opinions (as you already have)

Here's my $0.02 + anecdotal experiences:

- EQ response seems to vary dramatically in terms of effectiveness + sides. You'll have to experiment with tiers of doses between 200-900mg to see whether it works, how well if it does, and if you experience sides. Personally, I'm not an EQ guy.

- DHB is great for either bulking or cutting. I'd be more inclined to use during a bulk if I had to choose. I hit my lifetime incline bench PR of 365 while on 600 Test + 500 DHB.

- Anavar, out of everything, would be my pick. It's an unreasonably solid steroid: excellent lean, dry mass, strength gains, increased collagen synthesis for joint health, lipolysis, limited toxicity. I rank Oxandrolone as an "S" tier steroid, with the other being MENT.

My wife's been using Anavar at a dose of 20-35mg/day for ~8 years.

Personally, I'd stick to the same compounds for your bulk + cut (so you know exactly how you respond, don't have hormonal fluctuations) and just change your calorie intake + exercise levels.

- Test, Mast (optional), DHB/EQ, Var

If it were ME, the dosages would look like:

500-750mg Test D
300-400mg DHB
200-400mg Mast E
50mg Var ED (cycle it on/off if you get lipid/liver issues)
4-6iu GH

Don't forget the risk of liver adenomas from running oral steroids. Not fun.

 

[bigdaddyandfriends]

I can get DHB, but i've heard people can't make it past the PIP and quit early. Any suggestions for reducing PIP to where it is tolerable?

Modern formulations don’t really have it.

In the past excessive BB was used to keep it in solution and that was irritating, and guaiacol was often used too.

well made DHB these days should be pain free… at least from the sources I got it from. Don’t buy high concentration > 100mg/ml. You won’t be needing to inject high volumes with it - it’s potent af.

And like others said, mix it with your other oils to be injected, and if needed warm the vial up on a mug warmer… that will redissolve any microcrystals too small to see, but which can irritate the injected muscle.

I’m using DHB from DutchPharmaUS (source from ASF) - just as smooth/painless as mast E.

 

[ChemBB]

Your wife uses 25-35mg/day anavar long term ? Has there been any masculination, dyslipidemia, or transaminitis from that?

Yeah, 25-35mg Var for 8 years + 20mg Tren E cruise last few years. She's tried a bunch of stuff (NPP, Tren, EQ) and found that Tren is what she feels best + has least sides on, believe it or not lol.

Her clit is massive, and her lipids are slightly out of range + some erythropoiesis.

But no significant degree of facial masculinization or hair growth.

We’ve also talked about dosing some exemestane a couple days before she ovulates to blunt the huge physiologic estrogen spike, but have not tried it yet.

My wife is medically sterilized + explicitly does not want to menstruate, so that's a bonus for us.

She recently her on the below since her E2 was single-digits and she started to feel bad:

- 25mg Test E
- 20mg Var
- 5mg E2 Cyp