Another Tren A vs E

[Liter O' Test]

200+ makes me a raging animal. Idk how guys push past 300 lol.

well I started at 50mg a day ace, so by the first dose I was already out of my mind and increased it to 100mg a day by the end of the week

 

[RockyP]

200+ makes me a raging animal. Idk how guys push past 300 lol.

Several top Open BBers have recently said they don’t go over 300. And the guys from past generation said nobody went over 225 parabolan. Not trying to reignite the old debates and it’s not a criticism to anyone taking more than 300. But this mantra of 225-300 weekly long acting tren from the biggest bodybuilders in the world spanning generations has to mean something.

 

[SwolieGuacamole]

So why not keep it under 200 mg/week?

Unfortunately ED pinning guarantees minimum serum peak levels.

Whether TRE or TRA no matter (practically) with ED pinning once you account for ester weight, except you can bail faster and come up to stable blood levels faster with TRA.

Was honestly curious if ester made if difference, and I could push higher.

I know some will argue otherwise, but I have completely different experiences on NPP and Deca.

 

[readalot]

but I have completely different experiences on NPP and Deca

What were they? Did you pin them the same? Fun experiment would be to pin each one ED accounting for ester weight (same total mg nandrolone base per week) and blind subject to ID of ester. The NPP would reach stable levels** faster but would blinded user notice any differences after week 6?

Dr. Todd approved, haha.

Edit: the perfectionist in me wants to front load the Deca to match up the serum profiles over first few weeks. Then we really got a fun one.

 

[Liter O' Test]

What were they? Did you pin them the same? Fun experiment would be to pin each one ED accounting for ester weight (same total mg nandrolone base per week) and blind subject to ID of ester. The NPP would reach stable levels** faster but would blinded user notice any differences after week 6?

Dr. Todd approved, haha.

Edit: the perfectionist in me wants to front load the Deca to match up the serum profiles over first few weeks. Then we really got a fun one.

yes the deca user would have levels twice as high because of the half life

edit: not twice as high but like 50% higher

edit: like 75% higher

 

[RockyP]

FYI I wasn’t being that hyperbolic when I said recently that the guys who tolerate Tren can run a nice cycle for about 10 to 20 bucks. Do the math on 100-150 mg enanthate weekly. Combine that with one of those $28 sust 250’s floating around and you’ve got a helluva setup for less than a steak dinner.

 

[readalot]

yes the deca user would have levels twice as high because of the half life

edit: not twice as high but like 50% higher

edit: like 75% higher

Not a chance once you have corrected for ester weight. The ester only changes the approach time to steady state. We are pinning both ED at same mg/day of base API (nandrolone). Hence why i mentioned front loading the deca to match up the approach to steady state.

 

[SwolieGuacamole]

What were they? Did you pin them the same? Fun experiment would be to pin each one ED accounting for ester weight (same total mg nandrolone base per week) and blind subject to ID of ester. The NPP would reach stable levels** faster but would blinded user notice any differences after week 6?

Dr. Todd approved, haha.

Edit: the perfectionist in me wants to front load the Deca to match up the serum profiles over first few weeks. Then we really got a fun one.

Deca I pin 3x a week. Npp I pin ED.

I’ve run both at 16+ weeks. Similar doses.

Deca makes me completely emotionless, absent and anti social.

Npp makes me a nut lol. I over analyze EVERYTHING. Depressed, jealous, anxious, start arguments over rationalized assumptions, etc. It’s not a good time.

I love the results I’ve gotten from npp, so I’ve learned to work with it. Proviron at 30mg ED helps significantly with mental sides.

I get seasonal depression. Hate the cold and dark. Npp on top will introduce sucidial thoughts lol. So I say away from it during winter.

 

[RockyP]

I get seasonal depression. Hate the cold and dark. Npp on top will introduce sucidial thoughts lol. So I say away from it during winter.

My brother. Might I suggest moving on from nandrolone altogether? There are plenty of compounds to give you the results you seek. None of this is worth your physical or mental health. It’s one of the biggest “secrets” in the sport. You can use any compound for cutting / bulking and vice versa. Once you’ve found what you tolerate and what’s easiest on your system, run that. Adjust the diet for bulking / cutting. It’s really that simple. If you’re competing there’s another layer but really it’s only the final weeks. And most of the process is still mostly diet dependent.

 

[readalot]

Deca I pin 3x a week. Npp I pin ED.

I’ve run both at 16+ weeks. Similar doses.

Deca makes me completely emotionless, absent and anti social.

Npp makes me a nut lol. I over analyze EVERYTHING. Depressed, jealous, anxious, start arguments over rationalized assumptions, etc. It’s not a good time.

I love the results I’ve gotten from npp, so I’ve learned to work with it. Proviron at 30mg ED helps significantly with mental sides.

I get seasonal depression. Hate the cold and dark. Npp on top will introduce sucidial thoughts lol. So I say away from it during winter.

Holy shit. I have only run deca similar to what you have done. Similar results.

I gotta try this NPP! Maybe I just run the NPP, TRA, and Primo E all together and save time haha.

 

[pewex]

I've timestamped the video where Nathan mentions running Tren year round

 

[AlexDavis43]

ester weight is meaningless , not going to say anymore than that
just start very fucking low and see how you react.
I haven't used tren since like 10 years ago and I felt my first 15mg e pin same day
doing 45mg a week which is just shy of the 50mg a week parabolan dosing

Could you clarify?

ester weight is meaningless , not going to say anymore than that

 

[RockyP]

I've timestamped the video where Nathan mentions running Tren year round

De Asha is a perfect contra (aka do the opposite of what he does). He’s an absolute madman. I don’t question his claim, and I think anyone who follows it will get a very massive Darwin Award at the end

 

[readalot]

Wow, that really does feel better. First time for everything.

 

[Jeffholio5]

chatgpt told me to use glycine, taurine and L-theanine before bed to chill out.

also taking zyrtec and some histamine pill for the gut because i read on another forum that tren and histamine are very related.

Add p5p In for prolactin issues prophylaxis and you’re golden

 

[Liter O' Test]

Add p5p In for prolactin issues prophylaxis and you’re golden

 

[Liter O' Test]

the ester weight doesnt matter, the ester does. if you pin something that hangs around for twice as long as another ester, you only need half as much
i think that explains it

 

[carbmaster]

Add p5p In for prolactin issues prophylaxis and you’re golden

Modafinil reduces prolactin as well. Definitely want to try and stay far away from Caber and Prami. Dopamine Agonists are serious meds.

 

[SwolieGuacamole]

My brother. Might I suggest moving on from nandrolone altogether? There are plenty of compounds to give you the results you seek. None of this is worth your physical or mental health. It’s one of the biggest “secrets” in the sport. You can use any compound for cutting / bulking and vice versa. Once you’ve found what you tolerate and what’s easiest on your system, run that. Adjust the diet for bulking / cutting. It’s really that simple. If you’re competing there’s another layer but really it’s only the final weeks. And most of the process is still mostly diet dependent.

I’ve ran everything lol. Unfortunately I can’t move past the results I get from nandrolone. Test/npp/var with slight surplus and heavy lifting makes me a mass monster lol. It’s addicting, can’t lie. I just play it a little more strategic when I do run it.

Totally agree with where you’re coming from though.

 

[readalot]

the ester weight doesnt matter, the ester does. if you pin something that hangs around for twice as long as another ester, you only need half as much
i think that explains it

It doesnt explain it correctly. Easiest case to think of is both esters in the limit of continous infusion. Once correcting for ester weight and infusing either nandrolone ester at same amount of base hormone, serum levels will be constant and equivalent.

This is basic pharmacokinetics and law of mass action. It might help to try plotting it out.