Considering a Mini Blast

[ganciodestro]

Hi guys, I’m currently on TRT or better said, a very light permanent cruise. After several questions here on the forum, I’ve stabilized at 205 mg of testosterone cypionate split into 3 weekly micro doses subq (Monday–Wednesday–Friday).

When I was on 250 mg split into two weekly IM injections, my total testosterone went up to 1500 and my estrogen to 34, so I assume I have a low tendency for aromatization. I’ll repeat blood work in a few weeks to see what has changed with the latest adjustments.

In the meantime, I’ve been thinking about doing a mini cruise. My idea is to keep my TRT base with cypionate and add some propionate around 30 mg per day, for a total of 415 mg of testosterone. I prefer propionate because it would be easy to bring my blood values back into range quickly, and it also takes little to raise them. What do you think?

The second option would be to add another compound with a 2:1 testosterone ratio. I was considering 100 mg of masteron propionate or NPP, also taken daily. Since I tend to convert little to estrogen, I’m afraid masteron could crash my estrogen. I’ve never tried NPP, and I’ve read that some people experience libido or depression issues with it. For me, libido is extremely important i definitely don’t want to lose it; if anything, I’d like to improve it.

 

[ganciodestro]

I’d also like to ask you about the lipid profilehow do masteron and NPP affect it?
When I used proviron at 25 mg ED, it dropped my HDL by about 20 points in 3 weeks… maybe I’m a bit unlucky in that regard.

 

[knucklesamich]

It depends on what you're trying to do. Certain compounds are better for certain things. Opinions will vary.

Masteron is used most often in cutting
NPP is most often used in bulking

Test P is fast acting, so what you propose to do with it is reasonable.
Adding another compound like NPP will help to put on some muscle, it works pretty well for that. It's fast acting too, so the MWF schedule is how a lot of folks use it and would fit in with your proposed schedule. It also helps bring on appetite for some. I've never had libido issues with it. Some say, keep your Test higher when using NPP or Deca and that will help avoid libido issues, but, so much depends on body chemistry. What they say is true, "We're all different, so the way it works for one, may not work the same way for another" All you can do sometimes is find out.

Keep an eye on your blood pressure and resting heart rate with NPP, that is one thing I get from it as a side effect, high BP and HR.

 

[ganciodestro]

It depends on what you're trying to do. Certain compounds are better for certain things. Opinions will vary.

Masteron is used most often in cutting
NPP is most often used in bulking

Test P is fast acting, so what you propose to do with it is reasonable.
Adding another compound like NPP will help to put on some muscle, it works pretty well for that. It's fast acting too, so the MWF schedule is how a lot of folks use it and would fit in with your proposed schedule. It also helps bring on appetite for some. I've never had libido issues with it. Some say, keep your Test higher when using NPP or Deca and that will help avoid libido issues, but, so much depends on body chemistry. What they say is true, "We're all different, so the way it works for one, may not work the same way for another" All you can do sometimes is find out.

Keep an eye on your blood pressure and resting heart rate with NPP, that is one thing I get from it as a side effect, high BP and HR.

Thanks a lot for the reply. Yes, I knew that one compound lends itself better for a cutting phase and another more for bulking, but what I wanted to know was your opinion on whether the dosage I mentioned is fine or too low?





Also, regarding the addition of Masteron at that dosage in relation to testosterone, is there a strong chance it could crash my estrogen? I’ve heard Masteron can give a strong boost to libido, but I’ve also heard it can crash estrogen and have the opposite effect on libido.





And lastly, how do these two compounds affect blood lipids?

 

[knucklesamich]

If you go the Test P add in route, that's good. You may not need anything, it does sound like you're a low aromatizer.

If you add in Masteron, at that ratio, yes, you might crash your estrogen. So maybe less Masteron, OR, use the Test P as well. So total of 415 mg Test/week and 100 mg Masteron/week. That is not a HUGE blast, it's pretty reasonable in my opinion.

If you go the NPP route, that's fine 2:1 Test:NPP is pretty common.

Of these compounds, neither of them are going to hit your lipids that hard probably, especially at that dose, you're being very reasonable about it. Use TUDCA to keep help your liver along, take a muliti-vitamin, eat nice and clean. Drink as much water as you can per day, they say one whole gallon throughout the day.

How long do you plan to run your cycle?

 

[ganciodestro]

If you go the Test P add in route, that's good. You may not need anything, it does sound like you're a low aromatizer.

If you add in Masteron, at that ratio, yes, you might crash your estrogen. So maybe less Masteron, OR, use the Test P as well. So total of 415 mg Test/week and 100 mg Masteron/week. That is not a HUGE blast, it's pretty reasonable in my opinion.

If you go the NPP route, that's fine 2:1 Test:NPP is pretty common.

Of these compounds, neither of them are going to hit your lipids that hard probably, especially at that dose, you're being very reasonable about it. Use TUDCA to keep help your liver along, take a muliti-vitamin, eat nice and clean. Drink as much water as you can per day, they say one whole gallon throughout the day.

How long do you plan to run your cycle?

Yes, I drink more than 5 liters of water, I eat clean, and I live a very regular lifestyle. I don’t take TUDCA since I don’t use oral AAS—does it have any other function besides being a liver protector?





I was planning to do a blast for about 8 weeks, no longer. I want to stay as conservative as possible with the doses, specifically choosing fast-acting compounds so that in case of any problems they can clear out of the body quickly.





I also wanted to ask you something else: between Proviron and Masteron, what’s the difference besides the fact that one is oral and the other is injectable? From both an aesthetic and health perspective, what would change?

 

[knucklesamich]

I believe Proviron is pretty hash on lipids. I don't think Masteron is.
There's a good site that provides great info on this. I'll DM you with it, as it may be in conflict with this forum. Here's a bit of info on both Prov and Mast

Proviron-
The good- There are possible side effects of Proviron use; however, this steroid carries one of the highest safety ratings among all anabolic steroids

The bad- The Mesterolone hormone has the ability to greatly affect HDL and LDL cholesterol. Studies have shown that this steroid has the ability to reduce HDL cholesterol (good cholesterol) by more than 30% and increase LDL cholesterol (bad cholesterol) by more than 60%


Masteron-
The good- In many ways, Masteron is a fairly side effect friendly anabolic steroid. Side effects of Masteron use most certainly exist, but most men will find this steroid highly tolerable

The bad- Due to the cholesterol effects of Drostanolone, cholesterol management becomes very important with this steroid. Far more important than with basic testosterone cycles or stacks including a basic 19-nor.

Here's a pretty good link to a brand of TUDCA I get. You're right in that you aren't taking an oral, so you don't need to. I like to though, personally, any time I run a cycle.

Amazon.com

Also, I see you're going to run it for 8 weeks. That's good.

 

[SwolieGuacamole]

What is your goal out of this? Just experimentation? Caloric surplus? Etc

With test at 400, even being a low aromatizer, I don’t see 100 mast crushing your e2. And not everyone experiences lower e2 from mast. You’re your own experiment.

I don’t see 100 mast doing much. Personally, npp is my favorite compound. 100 npp will yield better results, nothing overwhelming though. Mental side can hit hard, provirion helps. But it gets better as you become familiar with the compound.

As far as cutting and bulking compounds, that just comes down to diet and training.

 

[ganciodestro]

Thinking about adding 100 mg of Mast P on top of my 200 mg Test (no prop), or maybe trying 100 mg NPP, or as a third option just upping my test with some prop on top of my current 200 mg TRT.

Plan is:

Last 4 weeks of cut: 200 Test (trt dose) + 100 Mastprop

Then 8 weeks bulk: higher Test (trt dose 200 mg + 200 mg prop) or trt dose(200 mg) + NPP. (100mg)

Question is: with 200 mg Test keeping my E2 around 34 (no hCG), could Mast crash my estrogen?

Also wondering about NPP mental sides,
What kind of mental sides can you expect with NPP? (anxiety, depression, anger?)
can they really hit hard even at low doses?
Maybe better run at less then 100 mg week (kinda 10 mg per day) is it worth?
If they show up (mental side) do they fade quickly once I stop (since NPP is a short ester), or can they linger?
I’ve read a lot of guys feel great and even get a solid libido boost (really sex drive) on low Nandrolone… hoping I’ll be one of them too.

My main goal is to feel good mentally, have great libido, and look more aesthetic (whether I’m cutting or bulking).

That’s why I prefer low doses and short esters. I’d never want to go through rough periods just to add a few extra kilos of mass.
For me, mental and physical well-being always comes first.

What is your goal out of this? Just experimentation? Caloric surplus? Etc

With test at 400, even being a low aromatizer, I don’t see 100 mast crushing your e2. And not everyone experiences lower e2 from mast. You’re your own experiment.

I don’t see 100 mast doing much. Personally, npp is my favorite compound. 100 npp will yield better results, nothing overwhelming though. Mental side can hit hard, provirion helps. But it gets better as you become familiar with the compound.

As far as cutting and bulking compounds, that just comes down to diet and training.

 

[Dial It In]

Yes, I drink more than 5 liters of water, I eat clean, and I live a very regular lifestyle. I don’t take TUDCA since I don’t use oral AAS—does it have any other function besides being a liver protector?





I was planning to do a blast for about 8 weeks, no longer. I want to stay as conservative as possible with the doses, specifically choosing fast-acting compounds so that in case of any problems they can clear out of the body quickly.





I also wanted to ask you something else: between Proviron and Masteron, what’s the difference besides the fact that one is oral and the other is injectable? From both an aesthetic and health perspective, what would change?

Even on injectables liver enzymes may change. Injectable can create cholestasis. Orals alone aren’t the determining factor. We are all different. No harm in adding in a support. The liver is very resilient and heals well. Watching those kidneys is a big priority. You’re looking at what most consider “mild” AAS so that’s a plus. With NPP personally highest I ran was 300 with 450 test cyp. Had no issues with anything except a flux in the ol red blood cell count but nothing concerning. But work your way up and see how you respond of course. Everyone reacts different.