First Cycle - 500 test 500 primo 16 wk

[stevegrantrogers]

Stats

Mid 20s
6'1
185
Around 14/15 percent bf, many would guess lower
Lifts
245 bench, 415 dl, 20 pullups, 45 pound curls for sets of 12, 135 ohp for 5

I arimidex, raloxifene, and nolva. I also have hcg.

Will be making first pin shortly.

Why so much for a first cycle, and why a cycle at all?

For the first question, I have suspicions I am a high aromatizer. My blood work shows I have estrogen towards the higher end of the range, and I have small gyno from puberty. I want an effective cycle, and the sides of primo sound way more tolerable than the sides of AI, and will also just add to the effictiveness of the cycle rather than detract. The risk here, from what I understand, would be smashing my estrogen, but I feel that is unlikely. I also suspect I am not at risk for hair loss, and I want to grow more facial hair, so the high amounts of dht would be good.

Why a cycle at all? I want to be more manly. I want to get more girls.

 

[stevegrantrogers]

Oh yeah 4 weeks of anavar to start too

 

[Bandern]

No primo no anavar. Run the test with nolva and get bloods in 4-6 weeks to see what your e2 response is.

 

[stevegrantrogers]

No primo no anavar. Run the test with nolva and get bloods in 4-6 weeks to see what your e2 response is.

I'm just vary wary of gyno and bloating and dick issues, would rather avoid it all together

 

[BigDadd7]

I'm just vary wary of gyno and bloating and dick issues, would rather avoid it all together

That's why you get bloods in 4-6 weeks.

Cycling isn't a new concept. You haven't discovered a cheat code that bypasses all the problems. Why not be smart about it and get a baseline of how gear effects you?

 

[stevegrantrogers]

That's why you get bloods in 4-6 weeks.

Cycling isn't a new concept. You haven't discovered a cheat code that bypasses all the problems. Why not be smart about it and get a baseline of how gear effects you?

I suppose I am just overconfident in my prediction in how test will affect me, and would be annoyed if the blood test just confirms it. While assuredly, your approach is superior, I'm gonna ignore it sorry. You can tell me you told me so later if it goes bad

 

[BigDadd7]

I suppose I am just overconfident in my prediction in how test will affect me, and would be annoyed if the blood test just confirms it. While assuredly, your approach is superior, I'm gonna ignore it sorry. You can tell me you told me so later if it goes bad

Trust me, it's better to know for sure. You should be testing every cycle anyways. You can have thia baseline to compare/reference over the years.

 

[Deezznutzz]

This is the dumbest first cycle ever besides Tren. Haha.....come back and comment when your dicks broken and no sex drive. Sides from ai? Never had any in 6 years of using arimidex. Sides from 400 mg primo and 500 test was horrible. At least don't run an ai until your first blood test and your estrogen may be nuked even without an ai on that much primo. You should probably just run 500 test with 1mg arimidex a week. Run labs at 6 weeks. Add in 200 primo later and run labs again in 6 weeks. See what 200 primo does first to your estrogen before recklessly taking 500 primo for your first time.

 

[stevegrantrogers]

This is the dumbest first cycle ever besides Tren. Haha.....come back and comment when your dicks broken and no sex drive. Sides from ai? Never had any in 6 years of using arimidex. Sides from 400 mg primo and 500 test was horrible. At least don't run an ai until your first blood test and your estrogen may be nuked even without an ai on that much primo. You should probably just run 500 test with 1mg arimidex a week. Run labs at 6 weeks. Add in 200 primo later and run labs again in 6 weeks. See what 200 primo does first to your estrogen before recklessly taking 500 primo for your first time.

What would the sides from primo be excluding low estrogen sides?

 

[eery]

nobody needs 1000mg for their first cycle, thats just dumb and excessive when you can get so much out of just 300-600mg testosterone titrated up over 20-24 weeks. Add the anavar and titrate it up from 20-30mg the last 4-6 weeks.

 

[lalakis]

first cycle go with just test, after some weeks get bloods. after that adjust accordingly your ai or your test dosage. second cycle up your dose or add something else, after some weeks get bloods and adjust again your doses. dont do something with guessing. and why? for girls? then blast tren and you maybe nut in a ladyboy

 

[stevegrantrogers]

Ok. Perhaps I was overzealous. You have managed to dent my stubbornness. Starting with test only for now

 

[Bandern]

I'm just vary wary of gyno and bloating and dick issues, would rather avoid it all together

If you like a functional dick then save the primo for later. I got some puberty gyno and would consider myself a slightly above average aromatizer. I start getting e2 sides at 375test. 1:1 primo to test would still probably crash my estrogen.

Also running a gram of gear right off the bat is a bad idea all around. You gonna run 2 grams for your 2nd cycle? You’ll make the same gains on half the milligrams, maybe even more since you’ll be able to run it longer.

I started at 300 test and slowly ramped up to 500 and sprinkled in a lil eq and npp. If I started with all that I’d be a walking pimple with high blood pressure

 

[readalot]

You kinda give off that I wanna to play the "stump the chump" game vibe. Ok.

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Thread 'Considering a first cycle....all your confusion cleared up here.'

Dec 28, 2023

So you want to dabble with AAS for body dysmorphia or cosmetic reasons?

Step 1. Understand the basic workings of hpt(g)a - hypothalamic pituitary testicular (aka gonadal) axis. Control theory. Where does testosterone exhibit negative feedback? H or P? How about estradiol?

Step 2. Understand PCT. What is it? Is it necessary? When is it necessary?

Step 3. Understand basics of pharmacokinetics/pharmacodynamics for the drugs you are considering

Step 4. What's your plan? Inject some stuff and come back to the forums in 10 to 12 weeks and ask what to do next? Short, medium...

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[adrenalytic]

I want to get more girls.

Be prepared to have only dudes come up to you and compliment your physique. Confidence, social status and money will get you girls, good looks is just icing for them. Be the cake.

 

[readalot]

Be prepared to have only dudes come up to you and compliment your physique. Confidence, social status and money will get you girls, good looks is just icing for them. Be the cake.

Great point. Very wrong forum and hobby for that.
Young dudes? Bingo! And some older ones.

 

[RockyP]

Sooooo I guess we're not doin the gyno surgery first.

1 gram is just ridiculous for a first cyle. You will grow like a weed on 300 mg test if you are eating and training properly. What the bro's said about running test only for 6 weeks, pulling bloods, adjusting with AI, etc. is spot on.

We're all different, but nobody needs a gram of gear for a first cycle. It's so incredibly counter productive. You want to get results on the least effective dosage so you can minimize side effects and stay in the game long term.

When I first upped my TRT to 300 mg test per week I went from 230 to 255 lbs in 3 months, and I'm by no means genetically gifted. I can't imagine what I'd do with a gram per week (sounds fun tho).

Oh and what the bro's said about attracting dudes is also true. Nothing wrong with that if it's your thing, but you stated otherwise. Take it from us old guys. If you want more girls, make more money, be funny, play guitar. Don't bother with this other noise. Don't let the scantily clad ladies doing their accentuated RDL's fool you - they are mostly at the gym to admire themselves. And by the way, they will also want you to have money.

 

[stevegrantrogers]

Just did first pin

Now that is all real, and Im not living in an imaginary world, I appreciate you guys talking some sense into me and to only go for 500 test. My hands are shaking after 1 ml injection. Maybe I'll live to regret this, maybe I wont. Only time will tell.

 

[readalot]

Just did first pin

Now that is all real, and Im not living in an imaginary world, I appreciate you guys talking some sense into me and to only go for 500 test. My hands are shaking after 1 ml injection. Maybe I'll live to regret this, maybe I wont. Only time will tell.

Congrats. You just front loaded on 250 mg/week test cycle. Make the rest 250 mg a week or 300 mg/week if you want to push it.

 

[readalot]

500 test. My hands are shaking after 1 ml

You need to work on your units. Numbers have units. Use them.

1 ml tells us nothing. Concentration time volume equals mass.

Specify concentration and your planned injection frequency. Way to ignore what I provided above.