Possible Infection or just bad shot?

[Eddie.]

So guys it seems I'm dealing with an inflamed shot. I thought i was invincible with higher concentration testosterone but maybe i exceeded my limits.

I recently made the biggest test order I've ever done since we all fear the availability issues that we have. I'm a sucker for test E and never had any issues so far with pip, bad shots or knots.

I've used up to 300 mg/ml which actually was tested 323mg from pharmaqo and never had an issue. I bought now from another source 400 mg/mg which tests 392mg since normal concentration was out of stock and man, first pin and have a swollen chest, a big sized marble inside, it's slightly red (not much) and it's hotter than the other side. I used a pistol temp and it's shown 1 degree *C hotter.

Volume was only 0,44ml and in the same syringe i had 0,3ml of EQ i have leftover from pharmaqo so it wasn't test only. 72 hours have passed and it's not getting worse, perhaps the marble and the swelling is slightly decreasing but the redness and hot to the touch is still there.

Mostly I'm kinda scared and pissed off because i fakked up my protocol which is everytime i draw from a new compound, new supplier and even a new vial, if my shot rotation comes up to shoot chest just change the rotation because i don't want to do experiments close to the heart. And all of a sudden i was in such hurry i completely forgot it, pinned left pec and voila. Now I'm inflamed and pissed af doing that rookie mistake.

Anyway, my concern now is, should i wait and suck it up if it's not getting worse? Unfortunately even though I always keep antibiotics in hand, i used most of these months ago on a tooth abscess and only have 4 pills of augmentin 500mg and a nice amount of flagyl 500. No amoxicillin or ceflex. Should i take them even if it's not getting worse?

Last thing i want is having doctors to remove abscess and leave a hole above the heart lol.

What is weird to me is that i have not any kind of pip, zero. Yesterday i did a push session and didn't have any discomfort on chest exercises. Just left side being kinda swollen lol. What can i say..

Now, another concern i have. How to make this work without throwing in the trash all the vials? Funny thing is i also bought a kit of test Decanoate 400 mg/ml since I've heard from everyone that test D is painless in order to mix these 2 esters and make the blend pip free. Tried yesterday 0,44ml with 0,3ml of my EQ in my delt and holy fuck, pip is horrendous. Slightly worse than 0,8ml primo. So even if i mix those 2 it seems that I'm fakked.

Now I'm thinking to start npp or deca earlier just for the sake of putting more oil in the blend to make it viable. Only 2 shots in and i miss the oils from my previous UGL..

Pic for reference. The pin is an inch or so above nipple.

 

[Nidus]

I would throw in some anti-inflammatory things right away and on top some baby aspirin or very low dose ibuprofen and look at cooling it a little, otherwise i guess you just have to wait it out and worst case throw in some anti biotics if it gets worse

 

[sionnach]

And all of a sudden i was in such hurry i completely forgot it

This, combined with the heat at injection site (along with the mixing in a single syringe) makes me think you probably just missed a wipe step somewhere and you've got a possible infection. Since it's receding, you'll likely be OK, but keep an eye on it to avoid a @mr.redpill situation.

Do not start the augmentin if you only have 4 doses, unless you have a plan to acquire more in that two day period and keep going. Without a full cycle (typically 10 days worth) you run the risk of killing off the weak just to let the strong flourish.

Good luck, @Eddie. Keep us posted.

I know you know all this stuff, but I'm gonna say it anyway as a warning just in case some future noob comes across this post -
There is bacteria on everything. Even on what looks like clean vials, and our skin carries some particularly nasty ones. Any time you pierce that protective layer with a tiny piece of metal to inject mystery fluids, you run the risk of dying. If you can't be OCD about sanitization/sterilization and extremely anal about the process, pinning is a bad idea. Wipe everything. And clean your bathroom, it's filthy.

 

[sionnach]

I would throw in some anti-inflammatory things right away and on top some baby aspirin or very low dose ibuprofen and look at cooling it a little, otherwise i guess you just have to wait it out and worst case throw in some anti biotics if it gets worse

Don't cool it, IMO. If it is an infection, your body is creating a localized fever for a reason - to kill the invaders. Let it do its thing. If it gets unbearably hot, that's your sure sign to go in and get some antibiotics.
Also, ibuprofen kills gains. It's not just a meme.

 

[Eddie.]

Thanks @Nidus. I have some ibuprofen but honestly I'm trying to avoid even that. I guess if it's gonna get worse I'll just throw the kitchen sink for a few days and that's it. Ibuprofen is mostly a painkiller, right? Do you think it could help with the inflammation? Because i have no pain whatsoever.

@sionnach thanks for the recommendations but i think there's a big misconception about wiping or not, or even changing needles and syringes regularly. You know there's people who reuse syringes and needles and they're fine. Also, there are guys like chase irons (one you might know too since he's popular) that have never wiped a vial or an injection spot for more than 15 years of steroid use and never had an infection. I'm not preaching to be slack on hygiene but you know, there's a fine line between doing nothing and becoming a hypochondriac.

I'm sure i wiped the vial and the injection spot. I was in a hurry because i had a little in my old test e vial that i thought it would get me through one dose of test (0,7ml of straight 250) but it only had 0,4. I immediately grabbed the new vial and went to add just a tiny amount of the E400 after i heated the vial and fill the rest with EQ. I had already lost some time and wanted to get ready for work, i drew back the plunger to fill the new vial with air before pulling the test and boom, plunger gets off of the rubber stopper (they're BD slin pins and never had problem). I immediately throw the syringe with the test inside and grab a new one to draw entirely from the E400 and that moment i forgot to change spot and wipe from the start. I just did the pin in the spot i had already prepared and wiped.

I'll try to grab a new antibiotic but since i moved in a new town i don't have my old known pharmacists who could give me antibiotics without prescription. I doubt they'll give me one without going to a doctor and I'll try to avoid that hassle.

In my previous tooth infection i took both augmentin and flagyl for couple days and it worked great. I was thinking of starting with both for 2 days and then continue with flagyl only for another 4-5 days. Do you think it's pointless?

 

[sionnach]

@sionnach thanks for the recommendations but i think there's a big misconception about wiping or not, or even changing needles and syringes regularly. You know there's people who reuse syringes and needles and they're fine. Also, there are guys like chase irons (one you might know too since he's popular) that have never wiped a vial or an injection spot for more than 15 years of steroid use and never had an infection.

It's not a misconception, it's personal level of comfortability with a diceroll. You're fine until the one time you're not. If you don't wanna take the 2 seconds to remove the variable, you are completely free to do so.

Chase Irons is a great entertainer. I, personally, am gonna Like, Subscribe, and hit that Bell on science and not a YouTube personality.

 

[Eddie.]

It's not a misconception, it's personal level of comfortability with a diceroll. You're fine until the one time you're not. If you don't wanna take the 2 seconds to remove the variable, you are completely free to do so.

Chase Irons is a great entertainer. I, personally, am gonna Like, Subscribe, and hit that Bell on science and not a YouTube personality.

Yes, and I said he who never wipes never had an infection and I who always wipe I just had. I’m just having a hard time believing a wipe can make that much of a difference if you’re always clean and not after work drenching in sweat and, dust and what not. Anyway, I’m 99% positive that in my case the one to blame is the high concentration OR a fakkup in brewing which I really hope not.

 

[sionnach]

I’m just having a hard time believing a wipe can make that much of a difference.

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I'm not preaching to be slack on hygiene

That's kinda what it sounds like you're doing, though.

 

[pipo]

IMO doesn't look and sounds like a infection but just a regular pip from a high concentration gear but don't listen to me on this one as if I'm wrong you are cooked

Regarding what you can do with those oil is to bring down the concentration. Filter some oil whatever type you prefer,add 2% ba and draw in syringe 10% from start and if pip still persists go to 20%. 20% should be more than enough to bring down the concentration.

 

[Eddie.]

That's kinda what it sounds like you're doing, though.

I’m sorry but it seems you deliberately missed for a second time the fact that I always wipe vials and injection spot and always draw and pin with a new needle. I said I believe it’s probably unnecessary if you’re not a filthy person but still for the peace of my mind I’m doing the full hygienic process. I don’t know how else to describe it to you to make you understand it.

IMO doesn't look and sounds like a infection but just a regular pip from a high concentration gear but don't listen to me on this one as if I'm wrong you are cooked

Regarding what you can do with those oil is to bring down the concentration. Filter some oil whatever type you prefer,add 2% ba and draw in syringe 10% from start and if pip still persists go to 20%. 20% should be more than enough to bring down the concentration.

Yeah that’s an option too, but honestly if i end up doing that it’s probably better to find a kit of test c at 200mg and mix them all together to make it 300mg. I’ll see.. the other option is to pin it subc since it seems I tolerate everything well, but I’ll have to pin every day to not go very high in oil volume, which sucks.

 

[sionnach]

I don’t know how else to describe it to you to make you understand it.

I read it all twice. I'm just a returd on the internet, but I stand by my take.

 

[xrayphoton13]

I'm sure i wiped the vial and the injection spot. I was in a hurry

I work in a hospital. I can tell you "I was in a hurry" never ends well. Slow down and find the time or skip the shot until you have time for proper prep. Yes there are people who never wipe and get away with it. There's also people who smoke and live to 100. We probably aren't those people. Better to be paranoid and do extra cleaning honestly. I have a spray bottle of alcohol and spray my insulin needle before injection and my body part before the wipey for a little extra cleaning power. Having to have an access removed sucks. It recently happened to a board member here on his quad. I think he said he didn't wipe if I remember right.

All that said if I understand your post correctly you believe you did clean everything so this could just be a case of your body not agreeing with the carrier oil and solvents or possible super solvents used to teach 400mg test e. A lot of these Chinese vendors seem to be using eo instead of MCT which can cause problems. And many are using too much ba/bb and even guaiacol to keep these higher concentrations from crashing at all during shipping and storage. It's really sad honestly. Short of diluting it down with MCT just to see if you get less of a reaction, I can't think of anything else that you could try

 

[Eddie.]

I work in a hospital. I can tell you "I was in a hurry" never ends well. Slow down and find the time or skip the shot until you have time for proper prep. Yes there are people who never wipe and get away with it. There's also people who smoke and live to 100. We probably aren't those people. Better to be paranoid and do extra cleaning honestly. I have a spray bottle of alcohol and spray my insulin needle before injection and my body part before the wipey for a little extra cleaning power. Having to have an access removed sucks. It recently happened to a board member here on his quad. I think he said he didn't wipe if I remember right.

All that said if I understand your post correctly you believe you did clean everything so this could just be a case of your body not agreeing with the carrier oil and solvents or possible super solvents used to teach 400mg test e. A lot of these Chinese vendors seem to be using eo instead of MCT which can cause problems. And many are using too much ba/bb and even guaiacol to keep these higher concentrations from crashing at all during shipping and storage. It's really sad honestly. Short of diluting it down with MCT just to see if you get less of a reaction, I can't think of anything else that you could try

I was in a hurry indeed but I'm 100% sure i wiped the spot and the vial(s). The only thing i still did but wasn't 100% is how much i let vial warmed, i usually let it sit on boiled water for 2-3 minutes and with new vial I maybe left it a little less. Still, not a reason to mess me up like this i guess. I've pinned test e in castor oil without heating it all with no problems.

The gear is EU based, brewed in MCT with BA and BB. No EO or guaiacol. And yes, abscess can be detrimental to your health and definitely detrimental to your physique if they have to dig a hole to clean it. I don't plan to act like tough guy, if it won't get better soon or if it gets worse I'll start antibiotics and if it persist I'll go to ER.

 

[BigDadd7]

You'll live. Welcome to the world of t400 pip. That shit sucks. Even tiny amounts. I did a t400 shot in my quad years ago, I could barely walk for a week. Get some oil, filters, and empty vials. Turn it into 300 or 250.

 

[Eddie.]

You'll live. Welcome to the world of t400 pip. That shit sucks. Even tiny amounts. I did a t400 shot in my quad years ago, I could barely walk for a week. Get some oil, filters, and empty vials. Turn it into 300 or 250.

Man, tbh I've a lot of painful stories but couldn't believe it would make that much of a difference between a completely painless 323mg brew to an inflammatory level 392mg. Both with the same solvents and carrier oil. Anyway, another experience i didn't asked for lol.

 

[eery]

It looks like some normal pip from high concentration gear to me.

If it gets worse after 2-3 days, go to the hospital.

 

[DinoBB76]

Man, tbh I've a lot of painful stories but couldn't believe it would make that much of a difference between a completely painless 323mg brew to an inflammatory level 392mg. Both with the same solvents and carrier oil. Anyway, another experience i didn't asked for lol.

Unfortunately, it can make a big difference; it's a question of solvents.

You've never tried Tren acetate 100mg/ml or Tren 150mg/ml in your life.

I have, and the 150mg was painless, while the 100mg caused redness and inflammation for 4 days, as if I were allergic (it wasn't contaminated, as other guys had no problems).

Subjective response and tolerance. Anyway, buddy, you had the courage to inject yourself with T400