ChemBB
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Yeah I certainly wouldn't "feel" anything at that dose but it sounds like some people are claiming some significant difference in insulin sensitivity and BG
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Deadpool99
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bro I am on the same boat. 9-12mg of reta, 600mg tren, and bro I still have to count calories religiously cuz I'm eating 4000 calories of clean foods. People underestimate the sheer volume how much 4000 calories of clean food is.
Best case scenario these compounds make me "a little more fuller" when eating a big meal, I usually eat 75% of my calories to try and feel stuffed at night, so now on reta and tren, I somewhat feel full but I can def overeat if it wasn't high volume clean foods.
I have this weird addiction or compulsion where I have to feel full, I mean like super bloated full, when I have to take deep breath's and unbuckle my belt to feel satisfied. (Even then I can smash the overdrive button and eat past that bloating but that's like worst case scenario, like you're serving me my favorite dish, Cheesecake Factory nachos, or if we are in a restaurant and my family has leftovers on their plate and I have to finish it; now that is another addiction for another post)
Just gonna rant for one more paragraph, sorry in advance. I am so fucked up in the head, I once took too much reta, so I took an extra 5mg cuz I was like fuck this shit I wanna feel full, got insane nausea and stomach cramps and it was painful, that same night my family took me out to Cheesecake Factory and I hammered almost the entire plate of nachos alone and then ate my main course, while I was in pain (ofc it got worse...)
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BigDadd7
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Get some self control. This is nothing to brag about.
Deadpool99
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It's there trust me. I said fuck it and went from 308lbs to 152lbs without any glp1/compounds. Just water fasting. Then was like I look like I'm fucking Christian bale in the machinist and then ate normally and gained back my obese muscle ass cuz I was training while obese. All in all now I'm 10% bf at 200lbs, but that mental aspect is still there and it just never goes away. Now I just save 1000 calories and hit my macros so when those cravings hit I can munch on random shit.
The initial weight loss was done before I got introduced to glp1, I only found that out when I got skinny but now I literally swear by glp1's, lean bulking on 12mg reta.
ChemBB
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He's not bragging, what he's describing is textbook binge-eating disorder
It's hard to describe to people that don't have it, but it's like your neural circuitry are wired to only think about food when you're even mildly hungry
I have binge eating disorder to the point I've eaten myself so full I've puked multiple times and I used to think it was just poor self control
Taking GLP-1's made me realize how huge a variance there can be in people's natural appetites and responses to hunger and that it wasn't just me being a slob...
Taking psych meds can also give you some insight / sympathy into the unseen and difficult to control aspects of eating. A few years ago my doc put me on an antipsychotic for major depression, and in no time at all, I had packed 30-40 pounds of fat onto a previously decently in shape body (6'2", 190, would be <=180 if not for my disproportionately muscular legs...and giant feet). Lifestyle didn't really change, except that I had a lot more energy and was more active. Logically, I must have been taking in more calories, but it must have been happening in ways almost too subtle for me to track because I didn't notice it.
To this day I can't tell you what I did differently to balloon up. I just started taking a shockingly expensive pill every day, and I got fat. The pill itself might as well have contained 3000 calories.
Of course I believe I must have been taking in more calories and/or expending fewer. Some variable changed that was not only happening without my conscious control, it was not even within my perception.
We all like to believe that we consciously make decisions based on rational thought and the contents of our characters. That is a comforting fiction. We are electrochemical machines. Higher level patterns are part of the mechanism, sure, but addiction, alcohol, psych meds, menstrual cycles, low T, trenbolone -- these all show how our decision-making are influenced at a chemical/hormonal level. Medications can change your Amazon purchasing behavior.
Looking down my nose at people who are obese and blaming their lack of discipline and laziness became a lot harder when I walked in their shoes for a few months.
Thanks for coming to my TED talk, etc.
If you need appetite control, Reta's not the answer. By itself, it will allow you out-eat your digestive capacity, and then make you feel like shit after.
TIrz and Sema will suppress and change your appetite so strongly that you won't overload your now snail's-pace digestive capacity. For many people, the desire for very calorie dense food decreases. (As does the desire for other addictive substances, in some cases.) You can still get in trouble by eating overly fatty/rich meals, but overall Sema & Tirz are much better bulwarks against disordered eating than Reta. That's all based on personal experience and a lot of anecdotes, but no studies, so take it with a grain of salt.
Addressing those behaviors at the root cause would still be better if possible, of course.
Deadpool99
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It's there trust me. I said f** it and went from 308lbs to 152lbs without any glp1/compounds. Just water fasting. At that point I was determined to get rid of my belly fat but at 6 foot 152lbs still had a belly, shittiest genetics on earth. I realized I look like I'm f***ing Christian bale in the machinist and then ate normally and gained back my previous muscle cuz I was training while obese. All in all now I'm 10% bf at 200lbs, but that mental aspect is still there and it just never goes away. Now I just save 1000 calories and hit my macros so when those cravings hit I can munch on random shit. After losing weight now I have really good self control and just flip the switch off and on to binge. But always binge within my caloric intake, built the discipline to make it sustainable.
The initial weight loss was done before I got introduced to glp1, I only found that out when I got skinny but now I literally swear by glp1's, lean bulking on 12mg reta
dinfar1337
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thats not true, i need same reta/tirz dosage for same appetite suppression.
i just feel dead on tirz when the appetite suppresion comes in and on reta i just dont wanna eat anymore.
him eating chocolate instead of chicken and rice is his own fault he needs 12mg
Deadpool99
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I realized that halfway into my reta journey, I chose reta as I wanted to shut down the food noise more than pure appetite plus I was interested in the glucagon aspect of it. Then I was like bruh, f** food noise I wanna be full when I need to be full. I slowly accepted that appetite suppression was kinda what I wanted. Rn I don’t mind going higher doses of reta because I’m curious as to that glucagon receptor and how it might help me with IR and my HGH. I have a worst case scenario where I would like to try
tesofensine, rly curious how it can increase tdee in a unique way and reduced appetite alot. Rn I’m heading to the US where I most likely have these cheat codes like pasta from Carb Diem which is like half the calories of pasta (same texture and taste) and double the fiber. I like to eat those stuff as it rly puts a dent in my hunger.
Deadpool99
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I was eating 4000 calories of clean foods bro. Chicken/rice/minced beef/pasta/like 6 ninja creami pints that are 180 cal each/potatoes. Never satisfied. On 12mg reta i still eat 2500-3000 of clean high volume foods but the reta allows me to get a few desserts now while feeling as full as with the clean foods. Mind you the only side effect from my tren was night sweats and severe appetite suppression, still ate through that as well.
Deadpool99
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To add a bit, when I was obese I’d order take out 4 times a day like a fat as*. And tbh it kinda helps me now as cravings for sweets are pretty much non existent. It’s mainly hunger and being unsatisfied with the amount I ate. Except for ice cream, any kind, even shitty low calorie ninja creamis, I crave it. 6 pints a day for 8 months and counting, ninja creami was the best investment ever, each pint has 30g of protein. I hit my protein goal by accident.
ChemBB
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There needs to be some sort of stickied post on bodybuilding forums about Retatrutide not reducing appetite
I had RX Sema and Tirz and when I tried UGL Reta at 5mg I wasn't sure if I was even taking anything (ie, bunk)
It seems everyone has this issue with Reta so either all Reta is fake (unlikely) or it does fuckall for appetite
If I ran it again I'd probably stack it with Sema for cost-effective appetite reduction
dinfar1337
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i cant eat if i take more than 2.5mg, it dosent reduce appetite? thanks for info
ChemBB
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I love when people are pompous, abrasive assholes on bodybuilding forums and never post pictures of themselves
I imagine some edgy 16 year old in their mom's basement spending their allowance money on Tren while looking like a string bean ;^)
dinfar1337
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ChemBB
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I forgive u bby, we are now frens again :>
You are looking shredded Brother. Well done. Wanted to tell you that.
The Reta experience I had with little/no appetite modification also came in the midst of constant full body technicolor skin allodynia and 15-20 beat elevated RHR, so I don't think mine was bunk. Or at least it's the bunk with the expected side effects. It also really fucking worked for accelerating weight loss and improved glucose/insulin management as long as I practiced reasonable eating, so I'd buy that bunk again any day of the week.
Yep, about to try that myself. Reta at > 10mg/day gave me the hiccups of death, so I can only push it so far. Or I might try Tirz again to see if the fatigue ever goes away. Reta's great for bulking/maintaining, but it doesn't feel like the perfect tool for cutting, at least not by itself.
It's not universally true. Your experience is very cool, but that's not what most people report. What you describe is not what I experienced, and not what the person I was replying to seems to have experienced. Did Reta affect appetite? Sure, I was a little less interested in food. "I could eat, or not, whatever." With Tirz it felt like "There is no fucking way I'm touching that food."
There's a reason people are buying Cagri, and why Chase Irons is selling a Reta/Cagri stack. Enough people don't experience significant appetite suppression on Reta alone that there's a market for an "upgrade".
Everybody's got a different response to every drug, YMMV, et cetera. Some people have paradoxical reactions to drugs completely opposite to what the majority experience.
The Reta study showed greater % body weight loss on average than Sema or Tirz, so clearly it works for large populations regardless of appetite control potential. But it may be that there are people with eating patterns so disordered that it's not the best fit for them. Hell, his binge eating may be so deeply wired that no appetite suppressant will help because it's not appetite driven. I don't know, I'm just a dog on the internet.
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