Hair Loss

[the~club~bro]

How long do you think it would take for hair to fully unminaturise when using Dutasteride and a topical anti androgen like RU.

I’m using 2.5mg Dut atm and using RU topically every day which should leave my scalp practically androgen free.

I am wanting to do a blast with just Test and GH but don’t want to harm or slow down any hair progress I would be making. I was thinking I could continue to make progress on 500mg Test and GH but I don’t think that’s a wise choice atm.

I think Ghoul answered your question about reversal perfectly.

Regarding test doses etc, this is where I am asking myself the same questions as you.

I should state for myself I am not a bodybuilder, I am a gym bro and athlete, so to achieve my own goals the total level of androgens I need to expose myself to is very low.

I have a sibling who is the same height as me and is ripped at 194lb and his physique has been built entirely on TRT at 125mg/week which puts him at the top of the reference range. That is ultimately where I see myself settling at in terms of a long term dose. I suspect either fin/dut will mitigate those loads no problem.

Simple logic tells me when we blast from a hair conscious perspective, the bigger the blast, the shorter it has to be and the longer the recovery time has to be.

All we can do is make regular visual inspects of hair follicles which are weak and look at the trend during the blast: are they the same? getting better? regressing in progress?

If you see they are beginning to regress during your blast I'd say the androgen load is too high for the dut/fin.

This is pure speculation on my part but I don't see any other way to evaluate the situation.

As ghoul outlined in his progression timeline, you know when you should start to see positive results, so if at these important milestones you don't see any progress or worse regression you can conclude the androgen load is too high and dial it back.

 

[verylargeshoes]

It's worse because usually DHT resistant donors are being mixed into areas with DHT sensitive hair remnants, so further loss is in a weird unnatural pattern, with the original existing hairs being lost first, and the more durable transplants left behind.

So what I'm hearing is that before getting a hair transplant, you should weed out all the weak follicles by blasting DHT for a few months.

 

[verylargeshoes]

-Oral Minoxidil 2.5mg (twice a day if you can handle it

What tends to happen to people who can't "handle it"?

 

[BigDadd7]

What tends to happen to people who can't "handle it"?

They get a limp Johnson and grow a vajayjay

 

[verylargeshoes]

They get a limp Johnson and grow a vajayjay

Having my own vajayjay would save me a lot of trouble. Throw some cialis in the mix and you’ve really got something.

 

[the~club~bro]

I've been unable to source pharma dutasteride in Europe. There are a few sources but they're out of stock. In the mean time, I got the 1mg dutasteride pills from SSA. However, they're hard tablets, and the pharma grade pills are gel caps. I did some cursory research and the delivery of dutasteride is best in a fat soluble solution hence the gel caps. Is it worth taking the hard tablets with a meal that contains some fat or should I not worry? I'm tending to think just not worry about it and take the tablets with a meal and forget about it. The main thing is I've got some tablets that are going to deliver some level of dutasteride and that's better than absolutely nothing.

 

[Mick]

Do any of you guys know if Minidoxil (basic rogaine) can’t effect how you respond to gear in anyway. Aka post finasteride syndrome or anything like that. Topical use. Honestly I’ll just shave my head if there is any risk at all lol. Don’t really care about my hair but if I can I’ll stretch it for a few years. Just kind of started thinning. Care way more about how gear makes me feel and look lmao.

 

[Ghoul]

Do any of you guys know if Minidoxil (basic rogaine) can’t effect how you respond to gear in anyway. Aka post finasteride syndrome or anything like that. Topical use. Honestly I’ll just shave my head if there is any risk at all lol. Don’t really care about my hair but if I can I’ll stretch it for a few years. Just kind of started thinning. Care way more about how gear makes me feel and look lmao.

No it has no impact on hormones whatsoever. It's a BP med, a vasodilator, opening up microscopic blood vessels feeding hair follicles.

Although according to the Reddit Post Finasteride Syndrome foil hat wearers minoxidil will give you permanent erectile dysfunction. Which makes sense, It helps hair grow, like finasteride does, so it must break your dick forever too.

 

[Mick]

No it has no impact on hormones whatsoever. It's a BP med, a vasodilator, opening up microscopic blood vessels feeding hair follicles.

Although according to the Reddit Post Finasteride Syndrome foil hat wearers minoxidil will give you permanent erectile dysfunction. Which makes sense, It helps hair grow, like finasteride does, so it must break your dick forever too.

Right so basically this shit I’m reading on it going systemic if you have a “cut” is kind of bs. I have been using it. Need to get blood work done. My sex drive been off but pretty sure it’s and imbalance elsewhere. Esp due to 0 ED symptoms. I just have a lower drive. Probably higher estrogen. Regardless thank you for clearing that up. So basically it doesn’t do shit with dht. Just increases blood flow

 

[Ghoul]

Right so basically this shit I’m reading on it going systemic if you have a “cut” is kind of bs. I have been using it. Need to get blood work done. My sex drive been off but pretty sure it’s and imbalance elsewhere. Esp due to 0 ED symptoms. I just have a lower drive. Probably higher estrogen. Regardless thank you for clearing that up. So basically it doesn’t do shit with dht. Just increases blood flow

Personally I think 2.5mg / day oral minoxidil is far better than fucking around with foam every damn day. It's more effective than topical minox, and like I said, it's technically a blood pressure med, but 2.5mg is literally an infant dose. There are rare sides to keep an eye out for, but they're almost never serious.

 

[the~club~bro]

I've been running 5mg of oral minoxidil since 15th July along with 10mg of Cialis and I have no adverse reaction. Blood pressure is fine. Also been running TEVA 0.5mg dutasteride every day for two weeks and again no adverse reactions so far. No ED, no watery semen, nothing, it's all the same. What I find remarkable while casually browsing reddit and hair loss forums is that I would say 7 out of 10 people outright refuse to take any form of medication and when they do it's a pussy dose of finasteride. The people in those communities are really very low calibre people. Yeah, keep putting rosemary oil on your head and jacking off into a gym sock, it'll really help you. Whats really important when you're a norwood 7, single and not getting any pussy is maintaining sexual function.

 

[BigDadd7]

I've been running 5mg of oral minoxidil since 15th July along with 10mg of Cialis and I have no adverse reaction. Blood pressure is fine. Also been running TEVA 0.5mg dutasteride every day for two weeks and again no adverse reactions so far. No ED, no watery semen, nothing, it's all the same. What I find remarkable while casually browsing reddit and hair loss forums is that I would say 7 out of 10 people outright refuse to take any form of medication and when they do it's a pussy dose of finasteride. The people in those communities are really very low calibre people. Yeah, keep putting rosemary oil on your head and jacking off into a gym sock, it'll really help you. Whats really important when you're a norwood 7, single and not getting any pussy is maintaining sexual function.

Sounds manly

 

[Ghoul]

I've been running 5mg of oral minoxidil since 15th July along with 10mg of Cialis and I have no adverse reaction. Blood pressure is fine. Also been running TEVA 0.5mg dutasteride every day for two weeks and again no adverse reactions so far. No ED, no watery semen, nothing, it's all the same. What I find remarkable while casually browsing reddit and hair loss forums is that I would say 7 out of 10 people outright refuse to take any form of medication and when they do it's a pussy dose of finasteride. The people in those communities are really very low calibre people. Yeah, keep putting rosemary oil on your head and jacking off into a gym sock, it'll really help you. Whats really important when you're a norwood 7, single and not getting any pussy is maintaining sexual function.

As a 5-AR hyperresponder, I have to mention you really can crash DHT and it fucking sucks. Unfortunately for me, decades, ago it scared me off the single most important thing to preserve what I knew way back then was the steady destruction of my hairline.

Today, any objective observer, especially the "hormone aware" like those in the AAS using community, should understand the mechanism of action, and that worst case scenario, a temporary DHT crash might happen and you'll recover in a couple of weeks when levels return. That, and a mountain of evidence of side effects being temporary, as you would expect when DHT production is temporarily suppressed.

I blame this on 1mg Fin tablet. .25mg should have been the starting dose, alllowing slow titration, so you could stop increasing if any sides occur.

 

[the~club~bro]

As a 5-AR hyperresponder, I have to mention you really can crash DHT and it fucking sucks. Unfortunately for me, decades, ago it scared me off the single most important thing to preserve what I knew way back then was the steady destruction of my hairline.

Today, any objective observer, especially the "hormone aware" like those in the AAS using community, should understand the mechanism of action, and that worst case scenario, a temporary DHT crash might happen and you'll recover in a couple of weeks until levels return. That, and a mountain of evidence of side effects being temporary, as you would expect when DHT production is temporarily suppressed.

I blame this on 1mg Fin tablet. .25mg should have been the starting dose, alllowing slow titration, so you could stop increasing if any sides occur.

Yeah, I don't mean to shit on the people who do genuinely have terrible reactions to these 5AR inhibitors, it can't be a nice place to be. However, my general impression is there is a tremendous amount of nocebo floating around in the hairloss community. They're so poorly informed as well, even the clinics and doctors, many of whom I have now engaged in online consultations in preparation for a transplant. I cannot believe Finasteride is still the go to medication when dutasteride is clearly a superior choice. It's as if these people have no regard for clinical studies and data. I looked at the data, accepted there was a 10% chance of adverse side effects but reconciled myself to the fact you aren't stopping the problem without a 5AR. It's that simple. Again, they're so poorly informed. They could take 0.5mg of dutasteride every 5 days (0.1mg/day equivalent) which was found to be (I think) more efficacious than 5mg of finasteride per DAY over a 24 week period!

 

[Ghoul]

Yeah, I don't mean to shit on the people who do genuinely have terrible reactions to these 5AR inhibitors, it can't be a nice place to be. However, my general impression is there is a tremendous amount of nocebo floating around in the hairloss community. They're so poorly informed as well, even the clinics and doctors, many of whom I have now engaged in online consultations in preparation for a transplant. I cannot believe Finasteride is still the go to medication when dutasteride is clearly a superior choice. It's as if these people have no regard for clinical studies and data. I looked at the data, accepted there was a 10% chance of adverse side effects but reconciled myself to the fact you aren't stopping the problem without a 5AR. It's that simple. Again, they're so poorly informed. They could take 0.5mg of dutasteride every 5 days (0.1mg/day equivalent) which was found to be (I think) more efficacious than 5mg of finasteride per DAY over a 24 week period!

I agree, Dut is superior, and all the panic and psychosomatic effects with Fin/Dut could be avoided with a pamphlet explaining this whole situation to patients.

The fact is, if DHT isn't controlled, and you're vulnerable to MBP like 90% of men, it's going to cost you needless destruction of hair.

All the other stuff , including minox, only delays the inevitable.

 

[chuc]

Have been a .5mg dutasteride user for many years, most of the time daily. About a year ago I backed it out to one dose a week/10days - feeling better and maintaining hair.

 

[chuc]

I took it for 10 years straight. 1 mg daily. Then switched to dutasteride when I felt I may have been thinning again. It absolutely halted my balding and also thickened up my scalp. I hadn’t let it go too far, but my hair was definitely really thin. Did I have any mental sides? None that I’m aware of, but it’s such a subjective thing. Libido has always been fine. Never any ED. Tried stopping the finasteride like 7yrs in just to answer “is this even doing anything?”. That was a bad idea because I got a wave of shedding.

My latest plan is to take dutasteride.5mg every ten days or so and just monitor my dht in routine lab work, seeing how high I can let it go without experiencing shedding.

 

[ToesOverKnees]

What have you found that works on a test and primo cycle, specifically that stops hair loss from primo?
I get great slow and steady lean mass gains and aesthetics from primo, but it's bad on my hair - crown based thinning. My hair thinned a ton on 750 test and 300 primo per week.
My hair did go back to normal luckily after a few months off this cycle.
Im 49 years old and have a good head of hair, with just mild thinning at the crown.
I was planning 250 test E per week and 100 primo per week for 20 weeks. I don't need higher doses at the moment because I don't need to add a ton more mass.
Alternative cycle would be 300 test E per week only and a small amount of anastrozole for E2 control.
I'd use oral dutasteride plus topical minox on both cycles.
Off cycle I do 100mg test cyp as TRT with topical dutasteride 3 times a week and topical minox every day. Daily topical dutasteride leads to mild depression after a few weeks. 3 applications per week I get no problem and my hair is ok.

 

[kolmakonson]

Two years ago, I ran 300-350mgs of Test E over the course of roughly 9 months. During this, I also used RU58841 to prevent further hairloss. Unfortunately, it did nothing, and I continued to suffer from diffuse thinning.

If it isn't the case that it was bunk, which is possible, then what could it be? Hyper-sensitive follicles? Whatever the reason is, could this also reduce the efficaciousness of 5-AR inhibitors?

I am about to hop on again, after a long haitus, and this time with 0.5mg of Dut daily, but I am still concerned... I am currently 25yo, and I would like not to nuke my SMV before securing my bloodline lol

Any thoughts or tips would be appreciated!

 

[chuc]

YouTube “How to Save Your Hair” video by toddlee has some good insights, he knows far more than me.