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[Blitzschnell]

You lose yourself in details. People don't care about label, name,qr code,if it's blue or yellow the label and neither what oil you use. Just deliver cheap product dosed correctly and people will buy. China is a living proof. Those guy beat everyone with prices and the products lack design or even filtering quality but hell yeah they sell very well because it's cheap at 7$ a vial now 10$ compared with 30€ more or less

Theres a target group, that surely apply for this. Thats not the target group i want to gain. I had cheap products like Spartan Pharma and guess what, i dont sell them anymore - still have a bunch of it. My customers, especially in Wholesale across Europe, want quality products. My regular clients ask me daily whats the best, not whats the cheapest. Of course im not creating a luxury brand, but quality should be first, not the price.

Im creating a brand and i think it should be thought through to the last details. Why should i have a cheap design, when the products will be high quality. It doesnt cost more to produce stylish products, than to produce shitty looking bullshit. I get a lot of feedback from this forum and i really appreciate it. I also appreciate yours and get your point.

The price will be based on the production cost, not the product design - and like said, it will be competitive. It will be not a cheap brand, nor a expensive brand. Good quality for a fair price, that people are used already. I dont want to talk shit about some brands, but i bet you know what brand i would talk shit about, when i say good design, bad quality. I will make sure, my brand will not fall in this category.

Also China is the living proof, how to fuck up. I buyed raws from a single source for months/years and then i get 3 different raws, 2 fine, 3rd is just white powder, no active ingredient (Thanks god i use escrow). Let me tell you one thing about China and chinese products: They just try to look legit, they fuck you wherever they can and people who buy Testo E for example from china, for 22 instead of 29€, to save some bucks, will regret it badly one day. If you dont know how to deal with chinese people, dont deal with them - even professional raw suppliers dont stop to try how they can fuck you. Please listen to my advice. The moment you trust China is the moment you get fucked.


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[pipo]

More than likely your wholesaler ask you what's the best because they want a brand that is know between gym rats and they don't want a product that doesn't do nothing to the user as he will get a bad reputation between other gym rats where he resell as there is his target customers.

When I was a kid I bought a household name like Balkan because it was the brand know to be good but back then I haven't had access to forums, jano test and so on. I would rather pay 10€ more but had a "guarantee" that wasn't bunk but if I knew that brand X cheaper wasn't bunk I would buy what was cheaper as money was a problem for me back then.

But yeah it's your business and you do your business model and I hope you do good as EU need a good source or another good source.
I wouldn't be your customer no matter what model you pick as I brew my stuff but hopefully it will work out good for everyone you and customer. Just a thought as what I would do if I start a ugl.

 

[Blitzschnell]

More than likely your wholesaler ask you what's the best because they want a brand that is know between gym rats and they don't want a product that doesn't do nothing to the user as he will get a bad reputation between other gym rats where he resell as there is his target customers.

When I was a kid I bought a household name like Balkan because it was the brand know to be good but back then I haven't had access to forums, jano test and so on. I would rather pay 10€ more but had a "guarantee" that wasn't bunk but if I knew that brand X cheaper wasn't bunk I would buy what was cheaper as money was a problem for me back then.

But yeah it's your business and you do your business model and I hope you do good as EU need a good source or another good source.
I wouldn't be your customer no matter what model you pick as I brew my stuff but hopefully it will work out good for everyone you and customer. Just a thought as what I would do if I start a ugl.

Youre a cool guy, smart on top. Obviously not a future customer like you said.

I really like your opinion on that, in the end forums are there to discuss.

And yes, as a homebrewer theres probably nothing i can tell you.

Im pretty sure it will work out for my customers and for me aswell, since its pretty simple to have success: get good raws, mix them in a already succesfull lab, dose them right and sell them for a solid price. Good design on top, broad market in the pocket and it will be a runner for sure.

I got quite some respect of homebrewers like you, to be honest. Must be fun on top. Im getting the feeling right now, when i discuss the products, raws, carrier oils and dosage + packaging at the moment.

 

[yoyoy]

Regarding EO, fair enough, higher concentrations might need the EO, but the classic low concentrations not necessarily. Many people are concerned about potential systemic inflammation coming from EO and it is justified. It is no argument to say, I have used it for a long time and nothing ever happened. Me personally, I do avoid EO and choose MCT, Sesame etc. as my preferred carrier oil, as they are regarded as safe. I follow this conversation and like your approach and attitude in general, but I will not buy anything because of the EO.

 

[Blitzschnell]

Regarding EO, fair enough, higher concentrations might need the EO, but the classic low concentrations not necessarily. Many people are concerned about potential systemic inflammation coming from EO and it is justified. It is no argument to say, I have used it for a long time and nothing ever happened. Me personally, I do avoid EO and choose MCT, Sesame etc. as my preferred carrier oil, as they are regarded as safe. I follow this conversation and like your approach and attitude in general, but I will not buy anything because of the EO.

Maybe youre right about this. Appreciating every feedback to make a good decision.

And maybe the regular product line will be with Castor or MCT. I will keep you guys updated!

 

[Den84]

Maybe youre right about this. Appreciating every feedback to make a good decision.

And maybe the regular product line will be with Castor or MCT. I will keep you guys updated!

Castor oil is not well suited to high concentrations… if you're aiming for 400 mg/ml or more, I think the choice is almost obligatory: MCT. But I'm hoping for a natural, pharmaceutical-grade MCT.

 

[DinoBB76]

Castor oil is not well suited to high concentrations… if you're aiming for 400 mg/ml or more, I think the choice is almost obligatory: MCT. But I'm hoping for a natural, pharmaceutical-grade MCT.

no , you can use castor , for example for Deca 300 / 400mg , or Test D

Pro , slow release , very slow release , one injection a week is enough

cons , very thick oil , with gauge like G27 you can have a problem put oils into muscle

 

[Den84]

no , you can use castor , for example for Deca 300 / 400mg , or Test D

Pro , slow release , very slow release , one injection a week is enough

cons , very thick oil , with gauge like G27 you can have a problem put oils into muscle

High concentrations (400 - 500 mg/ml) thicken oil solutions, regardless of the type of oil used. Example: 1 ml of test E 250 mg/ml in MCT will be much less viscous than 1 ml of test E 500 even using MCT, which is among the least viscous carriers available.

so opting for the most viscous oil ever (castor oil) to produce oil solutions over 400 mg/ml is pure madness… it will be difficult to aspirate and inject that oil even with 25g needles… and the pip will be devastating…

 

[pipo]

High concentrations (400 - 500 mg/ml) thicken oil solutions, regardless of the type of oil used. Example: 1 ml of test E 250 mg/ml in MCT will be much less viscous than 1 ml of test E 500 even using MCT, which is among the least viscous carriers available.

so opting for the most viscous oil ever (castor oil) to produce oil solutions over 400 mg/ml is pure madness… it will be difficult to aspirate and inject that oil even with 25g needles… and the pip will be devastating…

Can and should imo to use more bb to make the oil thinner but it's a headache on many level to use castor oil 100% as a carrier for the retail that isn't worth it to take in consideration that option.
Using 40-50% bb will make it usable for a smaller gage needle but as a ugl you complicate your life for nothing

Regarding pip you are wrong on that one...nothing to do with how thick the oil is.
You can pin with a bigger needle or a small syringe(1-2ml)and it will be easier to press the plunger but a regular user will want to avoid this.

I used castor 100% as a carrier and pin with different gage needle but wasn't worth it for me but not because the pip because wasn't but because I used a bigger syringe and bigger needle but to press everything was a chore after a while. Was test d at 425 mg/ml so not a low concentration

 

[tokorealand]

@Ghoul ghoulGPT - what’s your recommendation for best BP, Cholesterol management meds to stock up on during sale? @PCT24X7 PHARMACY are anavar tablets available?

 

[Ghoul]

@Ghoul ghoulGPT - what’s your recommendation for best BP, Cholesterol management meds to stock up on during sale? @PCT24X7 PHARMACY are anavar tablets available?

In general, for the vast majority without other complicating factors involving the heart, kidney, or liver, imo the best in class meds for these conditions must, first and foremost, be suitable as long term maintenance meds:

-highly effective

-very low risk of and usually no side effects

-off target "pleiotropic" effects which
improve, rather than imposing a cost on other aspects of health.

Blood Pressure:

Telmisartan
Cilnidipine

Lipids:

Pitavastatin
Ezetimebe

If resources are limited, in case of "worst case scenario", as I said earlier, focus on what cannot be acquired any other way.

From these 4, the only one is Cilnidipine. You can always get the others, though it may be troublesome and more expensive, while Cilnidipine could become impossible.

Combo tabs are great and a good value if you can get them.

Pitavastatin / Ezetimebe is a no brainer. Pita 4mg, the max dose is fine, and Eze is always 10mg. Pita 2mg is also ok if that's all that's available or sensibly priced. It offers nearly the same benefits as 4mg.

If you get Pitavastatin on its own, 4mg tabs are scored, so if it's cheaper than 2x2mg go with that.

Telm / Ciln combo is often good deal if you know what doses you need. For reference Telm 40 / Ciln 20 seems to work well for BP 135/80 or higher without being too much. (the higher your baseline BP the more the reduction will be, it's proportional, not xx / xx points, so this combo works across a wide range). Telm 80 / Ciln 10 would offer similar reduction, but you lose some Ciln pleiotropic benefits, which is why I think maxing this CCB dose and using a smaller ARB (Telm) dose is preferable (usually it's the reverse, but this CCB doesn't have the same edema risk at max dose like others do).

Cilnidipine of acquired on its own, imo, should be 20mg. If you need to combine with another BP med, you can start with low ARB as a separate tab. Ciln 20 as monotherapy would be suitable for minor hypertension, around 130/80.

 

[Blitzschnell]

In general, for the vast majority without other complicating factors involving the heart, kidney, or liver, imo the best in class meds for these conditions must, first and foremost, be suitable as long term maintenance meds:

-highly effective

-very low risk of and usually no side effects

-off target "pleiotropic" effects which
improve, rather than imposing a cost on other aspects of health.

Blood Pressure:

Telmisartan
Cilnidipine

Lipids:

Pitavastatin
Ezetimebe

If resources are limited, in case of "worst case scenario", as I said earlier, focus on what cannot be acquired any other way.

From these 4, the only one is Cilnidipine. You can always get the others, though it may be troublesome and more expensive, while Cilnidipine could become impossible.

Combo tabs are great and a good value if you can get them.

Pitavastatin / Ezetimebe is a no brainer. Pita 4mg, the max dose is fine, and Eze is always 10mg. Pita 2mg is also ok if that's all that's available or sensibly priced. It offers nearly the same benefits as 4mg.

If you get Pitavastatin on its own, 4mg tabs are scored, so if it's cheaper than 2x2mg go with that.

Telm / Ciln combo is often good deal if you know what doses you need. For reference Telm 40 / Ciln 20 seems to work well for BP 135/80 or higher without being too much. (the higher your baseline BP the more the reduction will be, it's proportional, not xx / xx points, so this combo works across a wide range). Telm 80 / Ciln 10 would offer similar reduction, but you lose some Ciln pleiotropic benefits, which is why I think maxing this CCB dose and using a smaller ARB (Telm) dose is preferable (usually it's the reverse, but this CCB doesn't have the same edema risk at max dose like others do).

Cilnidipine of acquired on its own, imo, should be 20mg. If you need to combine with another BP med, you can start with low ARB as a separate tab. Ciln 20 as monotherapy would be suitable for minor hypertension, around 130/80.

@Ghoul ghoulGPT - what’s your recommendation for best BP, Cholesterol management meds to stock up on during sale? @PCT24X7 PHARMACY are anavar tablets available?

Wrong thread guys

 

[Ghoul]

Wrong thread guys

Sorry brother, was summoned and assumed this was the PCT24 thread.

Since this stuff is so difficult to get in the EU, consider being a hero and be the first (only?) EU domestic vendor to carry Cilnidipine, an ideal BP med for AAS users....

 

[tokorealand]

Wrong thread guys

Oops sorry as well - moved from PC to mobile

 

[dinfar1337]

Sorry brother, was summoned and assumed this was the PCT24 thread.

Since this stuff is so difficult to get in the EU, consider being a hero and be the first (only?) EU domestic vendor to carry Cilnidipine, an ideal BP med for AAS users....

bro, we have many who carries it.

we even have a european pharmacist he'll get you anything from his pharmacy

 

[Ghoul]

Thanks like always Ghoul! Currently my BP is 125/68 so not high, but not great either. Cholesterol is my biggest problem HDL: 34 LDL: 100 ApoB: 94. Does PCT sell Pitavastatin?

Yes, but no shipping to EU. DM if
you need an assist on sourcing that or Ciln.

 

[Ghoul]

bro, we have many who carries it.

we even have a european pharmacist he'll get you anything from his pharmacy

Ciln is not available in EU or US, Even India PCT vendors didn't carry it until we started making noise about it here very recently. Very under the radar, but excellent, Japanese BP med.

 

[dinfar1337]

Yes, but no shipping to EU. DM if
you need an assist on sourcing that or Ciln.

bro, we have many who carries it.

we even have a european pharmacist he'll get you anything from his pharmacy

you can get it from bgpharma, the statin

 

[Blitzschnell]

Hey guys, thanks for the pushing, but please go to the right topic?

 

[Caesar123]

My new order did not arrive for some inexplicable reason. But it wasn't Blitz's fault! Sent a direct replacement which arrived within 1 day! Stealth and Support A+ Thank you!