No more nandrolone for me

How about u test ur gear… is it actually npp ur taking? Doesnt sound like it…

sounds like a histamine reaction of some sort… what are u taking with the juice?? Orals? Anti estrogens?? Anything else?? Red bulls monsters, pre work out prior to bed supps etc….
 
Blood work is perfect electrolytes are in range I always add extra sodium with food before gym and with protein shakes I also supplement with electrolytes supplement.

Unfortunately yes I used deca and npp for over 7 years such event happened a year ago but I thought it was the Hgh as I was running it at 10iu a day now it happened way to early and it’s like the body tells you it’s the nandrolone..

Thanks man yes this is far worse than panic attack or anxiety I’m usually don’t over react as I have no issues with over stimulating my cns but this is something far else hard to describe..

750 test
250 deca
200 npp
100 tren

Over 7 years on deca/npp never had issues with it until now which is basically second time that confirms it it’s nandrolone

Yeah
750 test
250 deca
200 npp
Aromasin
Caber

I wish it was panic attack the only reason I used deca and npp all those years cause it made me chill this is not panic attack this is nandrolone messes with something in the body but looks like we don’t have data on it

A year ago happened everyday out of the blue at the gym I lift a dumbbell HR goes from 80 to 160 can’t breathe I walk it off same shit again I was on 525 test 500npp 1000 masteron and 10iu Hgh I thought back then it was the Hgh but now .. no Hgh nothing fancy in my mix blood work is good everything is in range and I woke up and took me a second to realize that I can’t breath and my HR was all over the place with spasms all over the body and in the heart it’s weird sht can’t even describe it I once took 60mg adderall and I could shake it off this is different.
Your running deca and npp? Along side tren?
 
Any aas can cause anxiety and panic attacks. The super levels of exogenous hormone has a tendency to put you in fight or flight mode without any external stimulus. This makes it pretty difficult to know when a panic attack may happen.
I can tell you, from experience, if you feel one coming on... get up and start moving. Go to the gym, go for a short run, something to answer that fight or flight response.
Tren is very well know for causing this. I'm willing to bet the tren is the main cause. This is why I only used tren a. If the panic attacks become unbearable you simply stop. If you think it's from npp then stop. Panic attacks are different for everyone. When I have them no aas is worth the absolute torture.
Lowering dose can help. I can handle tren a at about 75mg per week with no issues. When I did 350mg per week the attacks would come eventually... every time.
I agree but me personally I’m not prone to this tren makes me just insane at a certain dosage and up to 100mg I get only the benefits
Regarding this episode it’s second time with npp/deca so I guess it will be the end of me using them if for any reason tren will cause me such reaction I will remove it also
sleep apnea? deca bloated the hell out out of me and caused it
I keep my bloat low I was fine before deca/npp I’ll go check myself though for sleep apnea
How about u test ur gear… is it actually npp ur taking? Doesnt sound like it…

sounds like a histamine reaction of some sort… what are u taking with the juice?? Orals? Anti estrogens?? Anything else?? Red bulls monsters, pre work out prior to bed supps etc….
I use main name brands currently they are tested and work test sometimes alpha Pharma sometimes Russian vertex tren sometimes alpha sometimes MP (currently) deca and npp alpha I take Pharma grade aromasin daily and Pharma caber 0.25 twice a week no stimulation no energy drinks no pre workout I have cocaine and adderall if I need cns stimulation but I don’t use that for over 4 months I think
Your running deca and npp? Along side tren?
Yes when I’m done I just drop deca and tren and go back to my cruise which is 175test e and 70npp after blood work stable again I drop everything and go on 70mg test p hcg hmg and hgh it’s basically how I’ve been doing things for years now
 
I agree but me personally I’m not prone to this tren makes me just insane at a certain dosage and up to 100mg I get only the benefits
Regarding this episode it’s second time with npp/deca so I guess it will be the end of me using them if for any reason tren will cause me such reaction I will remove it also

I keep my bloat low I was fine before deca/npp I’ll go check myself though for sleep apnea

I use main name brands currently they are tested and work test sometimes alpha Pharma sometimes Russian vertex tren sometimes alpha sometimes MP (currently) deca and npp alpha I take Pharma grade aromasin daily and Pharma caber 0.25 twice a week no stimulation no energy drinks no pre workout I have cocaine and adderall if I need cns stimulation but I don’t use that for over 4 months I think

Yes when I’m done I just drop deca and tren and go back to my cruise which is 175test e and 70npp after blood work stable again I drop everything and go on 70mg test p hcg hmg and hgh it’s basically how I’ve been doing things for years now
There are very user friendly home sleep tests that use an app, smart watch device, pulse ox, and a few leads on your chest. You can use private companies or try to go through a sleep center. Beware, there may be long lead times for insurance coverage. I had severe OSA and had to fight with insurance for weeks and weeks to get the right machine approved, then had to wait on the home health agency that the insurance contracted with to get me the supplies. It may be faster (but not cheaper) to go through a private company. Once you get your machine the settings are important. About 15% of people will not tolerate the auto CPAP settings that come standard on the machines (sounds great on paper, it senses what pressure you need and gives it - but I was one of the 15% and the pressure was too high and ended up waking me up more than the apnea).
 
There are very user friendly home sleep tests that use an app, smart watch device, pulse ox, and a few leads on your chest. You can use private companies or try to go through a sleep center. Beware, there may be long lead times for insurance coverage. I had severe OSA and had to fight with insurance for weeks and weeks to get the right machine approved, then had to wait on the home health agency that the insurance contracted with to get me the supplies. It may be faster (but not cheaper) to go through a private company. Once you get your machine the settings are important. About 15% of people will not tolerate the auto CPAP settings that come standard on the machines (sounds great on paper, it senses what pressure you need and gives it - but I was one of the 15% and the pressure was too high and ended up waking me up more than the apnea).
I’m not from the states probably it’s different here as I pay insurance myself for everything from what I know I can rent the machine without any study and just pay as you go on it but I want them doctors to check everything before I check my options.
 
I agree but me personally I’m not prone to this tren makes me just insane at a certain dosage and up to 100mg I get only the benefits
Regarding this episode it’s second time with npp/deca so I guess it will be the end of me using them if for any reason tren will cause me such reaction I will remove it also

I keep my bloat low I was fine before deca/npp I’ll go check myself though for sleep apnea

I use main name brands currently they are tested and work test sometimes alpha Pharma sometimes Russian vertex tren sometimes alpha sometimes MP (currently) deca and npp alpha I take Pharma grade aromasin daily and Pharma caber 0.25 twice a week no stimulation no energy drinks no pre workout I have cocaine and adderall if I need cns stimulation but I don’t use that for over 4 months I think

Yes when I’m done I just drop deca and tren and go back to my cruise which is 175test e and 70npp after blood work stable again I drop everything and go on 70mg test p hcg hmg and hgh it’s basically how I’ve been doing things for years now
Im struggling to understand the cycle design. Why use deca with npp when they are the same thing? Stacking tren along side another 19nor is also asking for issues/sides.
 
Im struggling to understand the cycle design. Why use deca with npp when they are the same thing? Stacking tren along side another 19nor is also asking for issues/sides.
I’m using the esters to my benefit that’s all
You can run 500 deca a week or half of it can be npp in case of issues you cut off the short acting one and that’s it half of the weekly dose out within a week or so.
Regarding tren up to 100mg a week I’m fine so I’m using it for nutrition partitioning and offset nandrolone empathic mood.
Looks like tren will be my main nor 19 for now
Regarding dhts the market is dry and as much as I love bold I currently can’t be bothered with checking iron and supplementing with it daily bold crashes my iron in matter of 2 weeks so it’s test nor 19 and AI
 
I’m using the esters to my benefit that’s all
You can run 500 deca a week or half of it can be npp in case of issues you cut off the short acting one and that’s it half of the weekly dose out within a week or so.
Regarding tren up to 100mg a week I’m fine so I’m using it for nutrition partitioning and offset nandrolone empathic mood.
Looks like tren will be my main nor 19 for now
Regarding dhts the market is dry and as much as I love bold I currently can’t be bothered with checking iron and supplementing with it daily bold crashes my iron in matter of 2 weeks so it’s test nor 19 and AI
Idk, I'm not understanding the logic still. Wouldn't it just make more sense to use the short acting npp in your case? Seems like your over thinking it a bit. To each their own I guess.
 
Idk, I'm not understanding the logic still. Wouldn't it just make more sense to use the short acting npp in your case? Seems like your over thinking it a bit. To each their own I guess.
That’s a lot of oil I tried npp that was dosed at 200mg/ml and the pip was annoying just like test prop.
 
That’s a lot of oil I tried npp that was dosed at 200mg/ml and the pip was annoying just like test prop.
I’m using the esters to my benefit that’s all
You can run 500 deca a week or half of it can be npp in case of issues you cut off the short acting one and that’s it half of the weekly dose out within a week or so.
Regarding tren up to 100mg a week I’m fine so I’m using it for nutrition partitioning and offset nandrolone empathic mood.
Looks like tren will be my main nor 19 for now
Regarding dhts the market is dry and as much as I love bold I currently can’t be bothered with checking iron and supplementing with it daily bold crashes my iron in matter of 2 weeks so it’s test nor 19 and AI
There's a big difference between doses when running deca compared to npp. Check out this steriod planner. Put in deca 350 every 3.5 days then npp 200 mg eod. Both add up to 700mg a week, but the ester weight makes a crazy difference. Plot npp 200mg eod for weeks 1-8, then add deca 350mg every 3.5 days for weeks 9-16. It's a MAJOR difference.
 
There's a big difference between doses when running deca compared to npp. Check out this steriod planner. Put in deca 350 every 3.5 days then npp 200 mg eod. Both add up to 700mg a week, but the ester weight makes a crazy difference. Plot npp 200mg eod for weeks 1-8, then add deca 350mg every 3.5 days for weeks 9-16. It's a MAJOR difference.
Not really
Deca at 250 a week will reach a base line of 3k
Npp at 200 a week (30mg daily) will add extra 1k
So 4k in total if you pull away npp it’ll drop to 2.5 3k in 3 weeks half will be gone another 3 weeks almost out..

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Not really
Deca at 250 a week will reach a base line of 3k
Npp at 200 a week (30mg daily) will add extra 1k
So 4k in total if you pull away npp it’ll drop to 2.5 3k in 3 weeks half will be gone another 3 weeks almost out..

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Looks like a pretty big difference to me. This is exactly 700mg each per week.
 

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Looks like a pretty big difference to me. This is exactly 700mg each per week.
There’s no much difference in weight between deca and npp
If you start them both from week 1 npp wil hit first week 6 deca will start to fully work in weight they are the same just half life is different that’s all also I inject everything daily except very long esters
 
Like @RockyP said - How much NPP/deca were you running, and what else do/did you have in the mix ??

Seen people that have run test + deca several times, with No problems - then they add a bit Mast and it triggers massive anxiety - they split with the wife etc…just madness - is it the Nandrolone/ is it Mast, or a synergi between them - idk…
Yeah dude, for real. I sold all my mast. Won't touch it again. Makes me an angry, irritated jerk
 
Yeah dude, for real. I sold all my mast. Won't touch it again. Makes me an angry, irritated jerk
I personally love masteron I feel wonderful and sharp on it my mood goes up very fast what I don’t like about it it makes me piss none stop and paper dry flaky skin but with nandrolone it did balance it out if I run test mast tren I’m locked in best workouts on such cycles..
 
Im struggling to understand the cycle design. Why use deca with npp when they are the same thing? Stacking tren along side another 19nor is also asking for issues/sides.
Dave Crossland said he liked to run both together too. Personal choice. I have both so i run them together too. I mean people run sustanon all the time and it has even more esters. Deca can be dosed much higher so you can get away with less oil volume. You have your stable base of deca and your faster acting npp on top. I'm not saying it does anything beneficial at all. I've just done it bc I bought both early on and turns out I prefer deca but I need to use up my NPP. I do the same with test. I have my base of enanthate and use my compounded test cream twice day that I get for trt. Less oil to inject. I can already get crazy high total t off the cream alone
 
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There’s no much difference in weight between deca and npp
If you start them both from week 1 npp wil hit first week 6 deca will start to fully work in weight they are the same just half life is different that’s all also I inject everything daily except very long esters
I understand why you're using both deca and npp but there is a significant difference. This graph shows that when taken daily npp at 70mg ed is equal to 90mg deca ed. So the esters are important to consider (half life as well, I agree).
Looks like daily injections of deca at 90mg takes at least 4-5 weeks to get to stable levels but it sure looks Better than the high and low peeks of 70mg of npp ed.
I just can't imagine Injecting daily, and the idea of using insulin needles seems silly to me. I'm not going to be doing those subq injections either. IM injections eod gets old quick enough lol .
 

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Yeah dude, for real. I sold all my mast. Won't touch it again. Makes me an angry, irritated jerk
Crazy how everyone reacts so different. Masteron is in every cycle I do since I first tried it a few years ago. All aromatizing side effects, from test and other aromatizing aas, have disappeared completely for me and I feel great on it.
Wish I would have completely disregarded all those comments about how it's useless unless you're below 10% bf nonsense.
 

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